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Nye Bevan

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10. "Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed...."
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jun 2013
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[1][2][3][4] and although there is little agreement on the historicity of gospel narratives and their theological assertions of his divinity,[5][6][7][8]biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[9][10][11] Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7 and 2 BC and died 30–36 AD.[12][13][14] Most scholars hold that Jesus lived in Galilee and Judea, did not preach or study elsewhere[15][16][17] and that he spoke Aramaic and may have also spoken Hebrew and possibly Greek.[18][19][20] Although scholars differ on the reconstruction of the specific episodes of the life of Jesus, the two events whose historicity is subject to "almost universal assent" are that he was baptized by John the Baptist and shortly afterwards was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[21][22][23][24]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

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Iron Sky Electric Monk Jun 2013 #1
I need to see that lol nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #3
Yeah, you do. Iggo Jun 2013 #40
i thought IRON SKY was based on a true story? zappaman Jun 2013 #22
Only if Sarah Palin wins in 2016. DetlefK Jun 2013 #142
it's true that the Nazis were rumoured to have space travel librechik Jun 2013 #171
I totally believed it until I saw the guy riding the motorcycle across the lunar surface. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #27
It isn't intended to be historical. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #43
how about hysterical? stevebreeze Jun 2013 #129
I'll endorse Iron Sky NBachers Jun 2013 #135
NetFlix is pushing that one on me, SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #183
All movies based on the Bible. DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #2
Good one! LeftofObama Jun 2013 #4
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" must certainly be a contender. hunter Jun 2013 #6
"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed...." Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #10
And he probably looked more like Yassir Arafat than Jim Caviezel! nt MADem Jun 2013 #35
You're exactly right... Arafat looked markedly older. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #121
No--the "real" Jesus. He was from Nazareth, in Palestine. MADem Jun 2013 #122
. Iggo Jun 2013 #41
Exactly. DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #54
I'm going to take it that your "." and mocking smilie mean you disagree with the MADem Jun 2013 #143
. Iggo Jun 2013 #144
So you don't want your POV to be granted any credence, then. Thanks for clearing that up. nt MADem Jun 2013 #147
. Iggo Jun 2013 #148
Could virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Mithra existed? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #59
I found the website for your source on the internet, for those who are interested. MADem Jun 2013 #146
"Citations needed" DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #69
Here ya go: Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #73
Yet none of that constitutes proof. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #108
Just assertions DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #110
It's the overwhelming consensus of reputable historians. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #113
You've given us four names DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #115
If you won't acknowledge that an overwhelming majority of secular historians Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #116
I acknowledge that you keep asserting that that is the case DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #117
How do we know anyone we never met existed? Did Pontius Pilot really exist do you think? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #137
There is actual contemporary Roman evidence for the existence of Pontius Pilate DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #140
There is? Is it "evidence" or someone "asserting" that this person existed? MADem Jun 2013 #150
Is there? Lionel Mandrake Jun 2013 #154
Here's an important bit of evidence DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #157
Thank you. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2013 #160
How do we know anyone existed? Well, usually there is corroborating evidence from several sources... Moonwalk Jun 2013 #181
Aaah, consensus, not evidence is sufficient... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #166
And please show me a movie based on the bible... gcomeau Jun 2013 #84
Sorry, that is so incorrect it's boggling. defacto7 Jun 2013 #134
Based on faith or fact? Lithos Jun 2013 #152
It's not even faithful to the accounts in the gospels ... Bake Jun 2013 #182
Yep, that's what I heard. hunter Jun 2013 #187
And the music is way better too! Bake Jun 2013 #188
LOL! PM Martin Jun 2013 #58
Precisely. (nt) oxymoron Jun 2013 #174
Yes, especially the ones starring Charlton Heston Warpy Jun 2013 #177
Watched the end of Elizabeth last night dlwickham Jun 2013 #5
JJ Abrams' Star Trek reboot. longship Jun 2013 #7
I agree about the flares burnodo Jun 2013 #103
Don't get me started. Flares are no better than a microphone dropping from the top of the screen arcane1 Jun 2013 #133
And that 35 years of iconic SciFi culture can be casually disregarded! longship Jun 2013 #141
But it is NOT disregarded! In fact, if you recall the "Mirror, Mirror" universe, it is regarded-- Moonwalk Jun 2013 #180
The Doors jumps out at me. That was depressing. Every day couldn't have been a bad day. You knew brewens Jun 2013 #8
Platoon isn't based on one specific unit or story Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #161
I watched Stone's company commander on C-Span2, plugging his book. I can't remember the brewens Jun 2013 #173
I can't get over the fact that when Jim stalks and peeps on his soon to be girlfriend Springslips Jun 2013 #163
I'm assuming this is based on movies that at least gave some lip service hughee99 Jun 2013 #9
I have to see this too lol steve2470 Jun 2013 #11
Bubba Ho-Tep is AWESOME! SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #184
No Disney? Generic Other Jun 2013 #12
This is a pretty flawed article. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #13
A lot of them seem to be "this aspect is off therefore WORST THING EVAR." Posteritatis Jun 2013 #20
The Big Year XemaSab Jun 2013 #14
"The Green Berets", John Wayne, final scene, the sun sets in the east 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #15
Also the "liberal journalist" sees the error of his ways and embraces the war effort without... Tom Ripley Jun 2013 #24
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #44
Wasn't it filmed in the Philippines? panader0 Jun 2013 #47
It was fillmed in GA, mostly Ft Benning YeahSureRight Jun 2013 #93
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #104
I spent a year in Nha Trang, and I can testify that the sun NEVER set over the South China Sea Glorfindel Jun 2013 #106
no kidding arely staircase Jun 2013 #72
Missed Born on the Fourth of July! whistler162 Jun 2013 #16
Oliver Stone can not do accurate history to same his life. Archae Jun 2013 #26
Utter nonsense. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #78
Armageddon with Bruce Willis neverforget Jun 2013 #17
It is a spoof. It isn't supposed to be accurate. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #49
Maybe I should have put neverforget Jun 2013 #56
Armageddon sure stank Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #92
It isn't on my "watch again on DVD" list either. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #118
Spartacus LittleBlue Jun 2013 #18
Huh? You mean I'm not Spartacus? Does that mean that I have to let all of the Helots I patrice Jun 2013 #76
The movie "Pearl Harbor" (Ben Affleck) was unwatchable... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #19
I watched that and "The Patriot" in the same week; I still have scars. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #21
That is because the name Affleck and the word watchable can not be used in the same sentence. 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #23
Never mind the historical details...the ACTING was ghastly! MADem Jun 2013 #37
I grant movies some flexibility on stuff like that. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #51
I do too, but the Knox-class frigates went way over the line. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #55
I watched this movie in 1971 with my college roomie (Japanese). Chipper Chat Jun 2013 #65
Yes, I hated this movie davidpdx Jun 2013 #124
That movie made me cheer for the Japanese! jberryhill Jun 2013 #139
Also Jimmy Doolittle did not Jenoch Jun 2013 #155
Just an FYI regarding one of my favorite movies liberalhistorian Jun 2013 #25
I declare you to be more astute than the author of the OP Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #36
Re: Mozart's cause of death Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #63
You are quite correct about Susmeyer liberalhistorian Jun 2013 #71
Incorrect: Sussmeyer's work starts pretty late in the Requiem DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #82
What can I say? Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #100
We DO know he was not poisoned DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #80
Well, they weren't quite as poor as was portrayed Warpy Jun 2013 #81
I totally agree that it's unfair to include Amadeus on this list. It never claimed to be historical. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #120
Mississippi Burning 6000eliot Jun 2013 #28
Aside from portraying J Edgar as a defender of Civil Rights... MinM Jun 2013 #112
I so completely agree on that. liberalhistorian Jun 2013 #126
"most" inaccurate? Hardly. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #29
Inglorious Bastards Calista241 Jun 2013 #30
Just like Django Unchained Chisox08 Jun 2013 #42
I really like that line! jonthebru Jun 2013 #66
I was actually enjoying the Abe Lincoln Vampire movie SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #186
Also, this movie should be on the list... Ian David Jun 2013 #31
Before even seeing the list pokerfan Jun 2013 #32
Most fictional movies based on true events really are fiction. No one Cleita Jun 2013 #33
completely agree steve2470 Jun 2013 #159
Does that mean Star Wars is less historically inaccurate? tblue Jun 2013 #34
Historic accuracy matters not at all. aristocles Jun 2013 #38
You're right of course Posteritatis Jun 2013 #48
Unfortunately it seems that many people do learn their history from movies... uriel1972 Jun 2013 #87
The Conqueror - Starring John Wayne as intaglio Jun 2013 #39
"Ms de Carlo then takes up with the reformed bandit" Well at least she ended up with Herman Munster. L0oniX Jun 2013 #46
Sid was in a movie??? Did he use a lot of duct tape??? L0oniX Jun 2013 #45
I've seen most of those panader0 Jun 2013 #50
Birth of a Nation FuzzyRabbit Jun 2013 #52
I thought U-571 might make the list. nt StrayKat Jun 2013 #53
U 571 is an action adventure fiction story OmahaBlueDog Jun 2013 #74
I think it meets the criteria. StrayKat Jun 2013 #109
The Guardian film reviewer thought so Bosonic Jun 2013 #83
The movie was terrible davidpdx Jun 2013 #123
I can't believe 'The Bible' isn't on that list. n/t cynatnite Jun 2013 #57
Argo Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #60
I so agree 100+! arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #86
We Were Soldiers tabasco Jun 2013 #61
And in the "coming soon" department... jmowreader Jun 2013 #62
Truth is more interesting than fiction JPZenger Jun 2013 #64
JFK is about Garrison, not about JFK. The film portrays Garrison very accurately. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #153
300 tabasco Jun 2013 #67
Viva Zapata a la izquierda Jun 2013 #68
I'm surprised "We Were Soldiers" wasn't on the list. They outright made an American victory up. Dash87 Jun 2013 #70
War of the Worlds. Very inaccurate. The aliens took over congress. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #75
To put JFK on that list is idiotic. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #77
If you want the facts go to the library and read a book .. otherwise it's just entertainment...>> YOHABLO Jun 2013 #79
this list is historically inaccurate. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #85
"Birth of a Nation" should be on that list. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #88
The Last Samurai Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #89
What spoiled it for me, was the Samurai had been training all their lives MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #95
He mastered Japanese calligraphy pretty fast, too Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #98
Aye hes a natural lol MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #99
You are not taking his Uber high Thetan levels in to account SQUEE Jun 2013 #164
Ghostbusters. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #90
LOL davidpdx Jun 2013 #125
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn! Mothdust Jun 2013 #91
What I find interesting about Braveheart is MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #94
Wrong. #1 Reefer Madness JNelson6563 Jun 2013 #96
The Sound Of Music no_hypocrisy Jun 2013 #97
Austria actually does border Switzerland KamaAina Jun 2013 #162
Point taken. no_hypocrisy Jun 2013 #172
Ridiculous article. Pop culture crap. I was expecting more. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #101
It's called "dramatic license" SoCalDem Jun 2013 #102
How about "They Died With Their Boots On" CanonRay Jun 2013 #105
The criticism of Man On the Moon isn't that good. gulliver Jun 2013 #107
What is really becoming noticeable is any movie whose plot revolves around not.. Tikki Jun 2013 #111
In "The Fugitive" the police take something like 15 seconds to trace a call. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #119
And none of them touted as documentaries marshall Jun 2013 #114
the Patriot with Mel Gibson was pretty awful Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #127
Any historical movie touched by Mel Gibson is pretty awful. Xithras Jun 2013 #149
The only ones I've seen are davidpdx Jun 2013 #128
Very surprised that "The Patriot" was not included on that list es466 Jun 2013 #130
One that buggede the hell out of me was "Midway" with Charleston Heston stevebreeze Jun 2013 #131
altough Midway is chock full of errors.. SQUEE Jun 2013 #169
Loose Change. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #132
How about Giant Gila Monster? NBachers Jun 2013 #136
The History of the World, Part I? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #138
"Caveman" with Ringo Starr bluedigger Jun 2013 #145
erin brockovich? because hollywood played up the boobs? unblock Jun 2013 #151
My Top Ten list demwing Jun 2013 #156
History of the World Part I? Rex Jun 2013 #158
"Fellowship of the Ring" should have gotten adapted screenplay Oscar over "A Beautiful Mind"... cascadiance Jun 2013 #165
You're all wrong zipplewrath Jun 2013 #167
I wonder which of the many films about the Earps and the Clantons is considered the most accurate? Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2013 #168
DC 9/11: Time of Crisis MinM Jun 2013 #170
As much as I love Cassablanca the movie has one HUGE historical error StevieM Jun 2013 #175
Inglorious Basterds didn't make the list? nt Incitatus Jun 2013 #176
"Moneyball" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #178
they should've included "Elizabeth" to that list too CitizenLeft Jun 2013 #179
No "Birth of a Nation"? n/t n2doc Jun 2013 #185
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