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slipslidingaway

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73. Do not look at your annual deductible, look at your annual out of pocket maximum...
Sat May 4, 2013, 01:52 AM
May 2013

and ask yourself what would happen if you had to pay that sum for the rest of your life?

On top of that figure add in travel expenses to and from a treatment center, lost wages etc. and it is easy to see why so many people in the U.S go bankrupt that have good health insurance.

Health Care Reform Bills - Does Actuarial Value Trump Medical Loss Ratio?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/slipslidingaway/183

"The Affordable Health Care for America Act introduced in the House on October 29 would require any health insurer in the small or large group market to issue rebates to enrollees if its medical loss ratio (the proportion of the insurer’s income from premiums that it uses to pay medical claims) fell below 85%. A quick review of major health insurers’ current medical loss ratios, as reported by the insurers themselves, indicates that most would have to beef up benefits paid, reduce their administrative costs, or provide rebates to their members...


The American Medical News on August 24 reported that, for the second quarter of this year, the average medical loss ratio of the largest publicly traded health plans was 85.2%, but ranged from 82.9% to 86.8%.

But limiting insurers’ administrative expenses is not necessarily the most beneficial strategy for insureds. Ensuring a high actuarial value of benefits provided would be best. The Congressional Research Service earlier this year reviewed “actuarial value” issues. The actuarial value provides an estimate of the proportion of health care expenses a plan likely will pay. As the economy has deteriorated, so has the actuarial value of employer-sponsored health insurance. Individuals covered by employer-sponsored health insurance these days get lower actuarial values and less protection..."

http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/10/27/the-actuarial-squeeze-on-low-and-middle-income-families/

"...The best private insurance available today – employer-sponsored health plans – have an actuarial value of 80%. That means that the insurance pays 80% of the covered costs of health care and patients are responsible for the other 20%. Patients also are usually responsible for out-of-network services and for services and products that are not benefits of the plans.

The Health Affairs article by Jon Gabel and his colleagues shows that plans with an 80% actuarial value are not providing adequate financial protection to individuals with modest incomes who need health care. Having a plan with an 80% actuarial value can place you in the ranks of the underinsured.

Basic coverage under the proposals before Congress would provide an actuarial value of 65% or 70%. That means that the patients would be responsible for the remaining 30% or 35% of health care costs, although the proposals would limit the total amount for which the patients are responsible under the plans. Patients also would be responsible for out-of-network services and for services and products not covered by their plans.

If there is a cap on out-of-pocket spending, then why should the precise actuarial value make difference? Simply, the lower the actuarial value, the greater the likelihood that the patient will have to spend the full amount up to the cap. Thus more individuals will be negatively impacted. Also, the amount of the cap makes a very big difference. The proposed caps on out-of-pocket spending, when added to the patient’s share of the premium, create a financial hardship for most low and middle income individuals and families..."



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The ACA is going to be a disaster for millions, MadHound May 2013 #1
It amazes me that people still see ACA as progress Cal Carpenter May 2013 #2
Fixes old problems, ignores new ones zipplewrath May 2013 #16
What the Affordable Care Act accomplished: bvar22 May 2013 #23
The GOP will bring it to us zipplewrath May 2013 #34
if one is disabled then ACA is the difference between coverage and none CreekDog May 2013 #41
There ARE elements that benefit certain small groups. bvar22 May 2013 #43
There are subsidies - Ms. Toad May 2013 #74
universal health care would do the same for everyone. HiPointDem May 2013 #64
So, you must favor repeal then. geek tragedy May 2013 #6
The mandate should be repealed n/t leftstreet May 2013 #8
I agree Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #26
it doesnt get any simplier than that. SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #42
Everone has to be in the pool - Ms. Toad May 2013 #75
What nonsense leftstreet May 2013 #77
Costs get covered for those who are insured. Ms. Toad May 2013 #78
Maybe because the premiums are like an extra house payment for many people SoCalDem May 2013 #3
Our medical insurance premiums and co-pays are greater than our mortgage payment. hunter May 2013 #7
Exactly! ctsnowman May 2013 #12
Love the cat pic. ctsnowman May 2013 #14
My premium was my house payment and my car payment. $600 a month. leftyladyfrommo May 2013 #55
As A Lowly State Employee of Rick Perry's Texjezustan BlueManFan May 2013 #4
When I worked there it was pretty good. alarimer May 2013 #50
How could it possibly be bad? kenny blankenship May 2013 #52
I know people still being denied coverage abelenkpe May 2013 #5
I just tried to switch policies for my husband (who has a very serious PEC). Denied. riderinthestorm May 2013 #15
I am so sorry to hear that! abelenkpe May 2013 #22
The changes don't take effect until 2014. Ms. Toad May 2013 #72
I guarantee ACA is going to fail for a lot of people. L0oniX May 2013 #9
Your story is exactly why we need universal single payer medical care. KentuckyWoman May 2013 #60
Insurance is only part of the problem, and a smaller part to boot. JayhawkSD May 2013 #10
Jayhawk, it's the perfect storm. Health care providers and insurance LibDemAlways May 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author LibDemAlways May 2013 #30
Goddamn right! roamer65 May 2013 #44
The insurance companies have no incentives to control costs. hunter May 2013 #53
Insurance overhead is a huge part of the problem. HiPointDem May 2013 #65
Huge K&R. woo me with science May 2013 #11
legalized robbery hibbing May 2013 #13
Yes, and all the "negotiation" points were used up with this one... Bonobo May 2013 #17
Underinsurance Is Exactly Where We Are At DallasNE May 2013 #19
Silly Question Half-Century Man May 2013 #20
Half-century man, I feel your pain. I posted elsewhere on this LibDemAlways May 2013 #32
Sorry you are being put through this. Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #36
I was in my dentist's waiting room and heard the LibDemAlways May 2013 #51
Glad you did that. Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #56
I posted the dentist story here just the other day and had more than one LibDemAlways May 2013 #59
I'm not surprised. Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #61
worthy of its own thread, H-C M Skittles May 2013 #39
Agree, and it is insane you have to endure this. Safetykitten May 2013 #63
I don't trust insurance companies OwnedByCats May 2013 #21
Even their most rosy, heavily slanted projections of this slow-motion disaster show Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #24
In Civilized Nations, the term "Medical Bankruptcy" is UNKNOWN, bvar22 May 2013 #25
malarky graham4anything May 2013 #27
Wow. What a counter-argument !!! marmar May 2013 #28
The "Obama's sh*t don't stink" contingent has spoken Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #31
Oh? ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #38
yes, that pretty much describes your response Skittles May 2013 #40
it's 'malarkey,' word-salad man. HiPointDem May 2013 #66
Years ago, health insurance picked up EVERYTHING. closeupready May 2013 #29
Because insurance companies are fucking evil. Zoeisright May 2013 #33
the 'uniquely american solution' KG May 2013 #35
Had breakfast this morning with a friend who has been LibDemAlways May 2013 #37
Obama screwed us again-getting used to it now DiverDave May 2013 #45
K and R senseandsensibility May 2013 #46
Kick for the abysmal condition of health "care" in the greatest nation on the planet. CrispyQ May 2013 #47
Walk into a doctor's office today in the U.S. and the first question has nothing LibDemAlways May 2013 #49
Because above all else, Obama cares about helping the rich get richer. forestpath May 2013 #48
Max Baucus screwed us royally. madamesilverspurs May 2013 #54
They don't call it "Baucuscare" kenny blankenship May 2013 #58
I'm so tired of the blame Baucus and Obama is powerless excuse... slipslidingaway May 2013 #69
+1. it's unbelievable how powerless obama is. he can't do anything. one wonders why we even HiPointDem May 2013 #70
Very true and the picture some paint is unflattering ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #71
My personal case history KentuckyWoman May 2013 #57
Your story sounds familiar. progressoid May 2013 #68
The real fun starts this fall. It will be quite a spectacle of HC nightmares. Safetykitten May 2013 #62
Historically it will go down as one of Obamas biggest failures newmember May 2013 #67
Do not look at your annual deductible, look at your annual out of pocket maximum... slipslidingaway May 2013 #73
Because the medical industry gopiscrap May 2013 #76
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