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Bluetus

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8. Exactly the point. We don't have to shove people's noses

Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:34 PM

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in our cultural issues. A lot of Americans would be willing to go along with "live and let live". We do more harm than good when we demand that people embrace our favorite cultural causes, repeating our mantra on a word-by-word basis.

We need to learn how to take "yes" for an answer. Or more accurately, to take "I can live with that" as a victory.

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Gov Newsome triangulating again. [View all] Shipwack Thursday OP

WTF is "culturally normal?" leftstreet Thursday #1

I would say this is a great example of what he's talking about. Nixie Friday #14

Code for "don't talk about trans or non-binary rights"? LudwigPastorius Friday #15

rich White male "christian" LuvLoogie Friday #82

I think he's saying we need better messaging to get our values out..more on point Deuxcents Thursday #2

Can't say at this point whether that's right or wrong AS FAR AS winning some states we need in 2028. I hate Silent Type Thursday #3

He's swinging to the center way too soon Blasphemer Thursday #4

2026 comes first. maxsolomon Friday #64

Ok. What is culturally normal? Raven123 Thursday #5

You know what it is. maxsolomon Friday #65

The implication of Newsom's other sentences is "it's anti-immigration" muriel_volestrangler Friday #68

First, please spell his name right. usonian Thursday #6

What is "wildly" successful? awesomerwb1 Friday #44

Bernie Sanders Packed an Arena in ... Utah usonian Friday #46

That's great awesomerwb1 Friday #48

You have to ask them. usonian Friday #50

It would be interesting data to have awesomerwb1 Friday #54

I caught some videos of the tour, and people said they were flipping. usonian Friday #63

"Proof"? awesomerwb1 Friday #66

Post removed Post removed Thursday #7

Exactly the point. We don't have to shove people's noses Bluetus Thursday #8

Most of those things aren't even popular among Democrats gulliver Friday #11

. WhiskeyGrinder Friday #28

It's part of health care. It doesn't have to be called out as a special issue. Fix healthcare for everyone, incl trans beaglelover Friday #74

When Republicans object to trans health care, should Democrats defend it, or fold because it's a niche cultural issue? WhiskeyGrinder Friday #79

They can just say trans health care is included in our health care plans. No need to dwell on it. beaglelover Friday #80

A lot of those things are exaggerated by the right wing JI7 Friday #13

I don't see data on those who don't vote, they're going after swing voters which are expensive iirc uponit7771 Friday #16

I can't think of a single Democrat who doesn't use pronouns. WhiskeyGrinder Friday #26

I'm a Democrat. I don't have my pronouns in my work signature. maxsolomon Friday #69

Well stated. Sounds like Sunday morning at my church. LAS14 Friday #53

When the right wants to strip trans people of rights, if not outright physically harm them TheProle Friday #94

N E W S O M Skittles Thursday #9

*WE* have to be less judgmental??? Skittles Thursday #10

Being judgemental isn't the problem LuvLoogie Friday #83

We have to do whatever we need to win JI7 Friday #12

His surname is spelled Newsom Niagara Friday #17

I applaud the OP for posting the Huff Post article in GD muriel_volestrangler Friday #18

There's sources posted here that are not reliable at all Niagara Friday #20

I don't see that the bit you added before excuses what he said muriel_volestrangler Friday #21

Oh, only RW'ers are judgemental on issues? Niagara Friday #24

In the grand scheme of things, yes, only Republican politicians are judgmental. muriel_volestrangler Friday #25

We are judgmental of Nazis and fascists, nothing wrong with that. They are judgmental of non whites- big problem Blues Heron Friday #29

Presidents Obama and Clinton triangulated. President Biden did not. Jose Garcia Friday #19

Biden stepped down after being hounded out by Clooney et al Blues Heron Friday #32

And a litany of party leaders. BannonsLiver Friday #38

Et al Blues Heron Friday #39

He was on his way to a lanndslide loss Jose Garcia Friday #41

He would have won -he's the only one to defeat Trump. Giving up incumbency was highly stupid. Blues Heron Friday #42

After that idiot took a pot shot at MFer, the die was cast. maxsolomon Friday #75

Dems need to find 80/20 issues they can hammer on GreatGazoo Friday #22

All my lefty family members are tired of the pronoun thing mainer Friday #23

Which Democratic candidates were demanding that? muriel_volestrangler Friday #27

I'm not referring to particular candidates mainer Friday #43

So this is not about Democrats, ie what Newsom was talking about. muriel_volestrangler Friday #47

... BannonsLiver Friday #35

Culturally normal another way to say the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?? NoMoreRepugs Friday #30

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He's not wrong. BannonsLiver Friday #33

So is he pushing a purity test for the party? Emile Friday #34

The opposite, actually. BannonsLiver Friday #36

LOL, I don't think so! Emile Friday #37

If you say so. BannonsLiver Friday #40

I know exactly what you're referring to. maxsolomon Friday #70

It's verboten to discuss but you are of course correct. BannonsLiver Friday #87

He's saying to drop the purity tests. Nixie Friday #45

I guess it depends on which side of the political spectrum Emile Friday #49

He's definitely not on the spectrum that alienates voters with Nixie Friday #51

As I said, it depends on what side of the political spectrum your on. Emile Friday #52

We've all seen enough of this insistence and labeling of Nixie Friday #55

See my post #56. nt LAS14 Friday #57

Purity tests, on which side of the spectrum are you talking about? Emile Friday #58

Centrist is really the obvious purity test. A way of smearing our candidates Nixie Friday #60

Then if centrist is a smear, why do some politicians call themselves centrist? Emile Friday #61

The purity test smear is obviously that being normal, as in not being Nixie Friday #71

Are you saying , if you are not a centrist, you are fringe? Emile Friday #73

Denying there is a political middle isn't "progressive." Nixie Friday #93

You still haven't answered my two questions. Emile Friday #95

I doubt you need my answers to any of your distractions to Nixie Friday #97

You just described a purity test! Thank you! Emile Friday #98

Your contrived set up was the purity test. Just run a candidate because Nixie Friday #99

You do know there are 6 wings to the democratic party? Emile Friday #100

Oh Nixie Friday #101

Just being literal. Emile Friday #102

Centrist/establishment/status quo/corporate Dems: anti-progressive, corrupt, elite Them. Us: Righteous victims. betsuni Friday #72

Curiosity here - not trying to make a point. LAS14 Friday #56

I think Democrats should make your point - that public Democrats are not leading with those issues muriel_volestrangler Friday #67

Gov. Newsom has been left behind in his judgement of what's "Culturally Normal" justaprogressive Friday #59

He's buying into RW framing again MustLoveBeagles Friday #62

He was doing well, now I'm not impressed. Emile Friday #89

I'm not either MustLoveBeagles Friday #90

Alienating part of the party is not going to win elections. Emile Friday #91

No it isn't MustLoveBeagles Friday #92

We lead with tolerance bucolic_frolic Friday #76

Focusing on the wrong things all the time. BlueTsunami2018 Friday #77

Would that also be the response when a member of that community asks one of our politicians how they feel about them? BannonsLiver Friday #81

If you think he's staking out territory well, what do you think his answer would be muriel_volestrangler Friday #84

He answered that in his podcast some were pressed about in March. BannonsLiver Friday #85

Give me a link muriel_volestrangler Friday #86

Newsom, no 'e'. RandySF Friday #78

very telling it has not been fixed Skittles Friday #88

Telling, or maybe I've been busy? Shipwack 17 hrs ago #108

IT STILL HAS NOT BEEN FIXED Skittles 6 hrs ago #113

I, for one, will never vote for him in the primary if he runs. demmiblue Friday #96

Let's see... MorbidButterflyTat Friday #103

But they work really hard on it, like washing machines. betsuni Friday #105

+1, yes, so desperate to continue the coveted victimization Nixie Friday #106

We've seen this attempt of gaslighting before Niagara 17 hrs ago #111

What are the rules to being more culturally normal? Emile Friday #104

To me The Bopper Friday #107

OP here. I deeply regret spelling the governor's name wrong. Shipwack 17 hrs ago #109

I wouldn't worry about it. I do not understand the hypersensitivity about the extra e. I certainly do not see it... QueerDuck 17 hrs ago #110

Thanks! nt Shipwack 10 hrs ago #112