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Silent Type

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22. Absolutly incorrect. Original Medicare has extensive coverage policies. No, the patient won't pay because it'll be
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 03:45 PM
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denied if it doesn't meet requirements (docs can appeal), then the patient can decide whether to get the non-covered procedure/service.

It's very appropriate. There are no services on the list that are "life or death." And everyone of them has a Medicare coverage policy, either National (NCD) or Local (LCD which could be as many as 10 states with other states following policy).

A total of 17 types of procedures will now need prior approval. These services are often flagged for being overused or not always medically necessary. Here's what’s on the list:

Electrical Nerve Stimulators (NCD 160.7)
Sacral Nerve Stimulation for Urinary Incontinence (NCD 230.18)
Phrenic Nerve Stimulator (NCD 160.19)
Deep Brain Stimulation for Essential Tremor and Parkinson’s Disease (NCD 160.24)
Vagus Nerve Stimulation (NCD 160.18)
Induced Lesions of Nerve Tracts (NCD 160.1)
Hypoglossal Nerve Stimulation for Obstructive Sleep Apnea (LCDs L38307, L38312, L38385)
Epidural Steroid Injections for Pain Management (excluding facet-joint injections) (LCDs L39015, L39242, L36920)
Percutaneous Vertebral Augmentation (PVA) for Vertebral Compression Fracture (VCF) (LCDs L34106, L38201, L35130)
Cervical Fusion (LCDs L39741, L39762, L39793)
Arthroscopic Lavage and Arthroscopic Debridement for the Osteoarthritic Knee (NCD 150.9)
Incontinence Control Devices (NCD 230.10)
Diagnosis and Treatment of Impotence (NCD 230.4)
Percutaneous Image-Guided Lumbar Decompression for Spinal Stenosis (NCD 150.13)
Skin and Tissue Substitutes (general category)
Application of Bioengineered Skin Substitutes to Lower Extremity Chronic Non-Healing Wounds (LCD L35041)
Wound Application of Cellular and/or Tissue-Based Products (CTPs), Lower Extremities (LCD L36690)

Look up everyone of those and see how many fraud or abusive billing practices have been filed for the services.
I have no problem punishing docs who cheat Medicare and patients with questionable treatments.

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Kick dalton99a Thursday #1
They get paid to avoid providing care Bettie Thursday #2
Isn't it, though! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Thursday #5
Traditional WmChris Thursday #3
Kicking with DISGUST!!!! Faux pas Thursday #4
One Goal Is Likely To Deny Coverage For Diabetes 2 And Its Related... ColoringFool Thursday #6
Jeezus. Joinfortmill Thursday #8
Any use of AI in a customer service context is to be feared. "Speak to a representative" is my answer to what I want to Martin68 Thursday #7
AI learns that there's a reward for denying coverage. SergeStorms Thursday #12
AI finds it more cost efficient to let us die faster IronLionZion Thursday #19
there is help for patients Nigrum Cattus Thursday #9
Could you please elaborate for those of us who are not inclined to readily click links? mahina Thursday #13
Wow! Thanks Nigrum Cattus! That's a great source for fighting insurance denials! BComplex Thursday #16
The problem isn't the availability of an appeal - Ms. Toad Thursday #20
Arizona is a swing state with lots of retirees IronLionZion Thursday #10
They will likely never hear about it, or understand it was REPUBLICANS who passed this BComplex Thursday #17
If they are looking for fraud and corruption instead popsdenver Thursday #11
They want us dead orangecrush Thursday #14
Who in the F*** authorized this change?? BComplex Thursday #15
Medicare has used private contractors to review claims since at least 1980. The pilot program is limited to 6 states Silent Type Thursday #18
Requiring conservative therapy is a Medicare Advantage/Insurance concept - it has no place in Standard Medicare Ms. Toad Thursday #21
Absolutly incorrect. Original Medicare has extensive coverage policies. No, the patient won't pay because it'll be Silent Type Thursday #22
Gotcha. You believe it is appropriate to force me to choose between Ms. Toad Thursday #25
How many of those services have anything to do with diagnosing or managing cancer? Plus, Silent Type Thursday #26
It was in my post - a skin graft. Ms. Toad Thursday #28
There is a new policy on skin substitutes that removes the incentive for doctors making thousands of dollars off Silent Type Yesterday #29
Nonsense. Ms. Toad Yesterday #31
None of those are life threatening conditions. Let's be honest here. No it's not fantasy that it will happen quickly Silent Type Yesterday #33
And just now would you know "none of those were life threatening' Ms. Toad Yesterday #34
Because I can read. None of those are life threatening and most are questionable efficacy. Have no problem telling Silent Type 6 hrs ago #35
Sorry, but you don't know what those dozens of appeals related to, Ms. Toad 6 hrs ago #36
Talking about list of procedures requiring authorization. None of those are life threatening. Silent Type 5 hrs ago #37
Except, of course the denial of a skin graft, which delays surgery for an aggressive cancer - Ms. Toad 5 hrs ago #38
If you read the procedures listed, it's for BIOENGINEERED skin substitutes, not skin grafts following cancer surgery. Silent Type 5 hrs ago #39
Trump's government... LudwigPastorius Thursday #23
It's bad enough when some employee at an insurance company who is not a doctor IcyPeas Thursday #24
I love the name - WISeR. It's become a cliche to say that every pronouncement by this administration is Orwellian jls4561 Thursday #27
Crap UTUSN Yesterday #30
who needs a "death panel?" rampartd Yesterday #32
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