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jfz9580m

(16,467 posts)
19. Perhaps
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 10:47 AM
Nov 4

But that’s also what gives a lot of people across the political spectrum a sense that there is way too much collegiality at the top.

Of course, Trump is a chaos agent with heavily dictatorial tendencies. But this sense that corporations now have way too much sway as opposed to any average person (and that’s true now in every part of the globe) is widespread.

And it does feel like a permacrisis with no alleviation and radically lowered expectations is to be the norm.

It’s part of the reason for the enthusiasm over Mamdani and others like him.

Cynics would say “Yeah just let this or that new progressive only get in office and they will also be called a sellout or just be ineffective”. Sure.

It’s already so dire that things will take a while to work. But as the OP says, people like Cheney made life on this planet this hellish.

That’s why expectations now need to be tempered with reality for any progress. It is a given that just about anyone (especially any politician) will be disappointing in this environment -it’s the degree that makes the difference.

BTW I would be delighted to not be constantly disappointed. It’s just that I recognize that the cycle of a backlash following enthusiasm seems to lead to hopelessness.

The average direction would still be better and is in need of correction like never before.

One of the few people I have seen accomplish necessary radical change elegantly and fast was the brilliant Lina Khan. But she was a bureaucrat not a politician, the very class that Vought etc have correctly identified as a very real if completely legitimate threat to authoritarianism, corruption and human exploitation.

It is so right shifted right now that it is communist* to be to the left of “No regulations on any for profit ever! Austerity or at least psychological poverty and solutionism for the worst off will make up the slack!”. That’s the real race to the bottom.

* I happen to live in one of the few actually communist states in the world and find it darkly amusing that they large embrace environmental destruction, deregulation and exploitative business interests as much as most libertarians.

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Right on Easterncedar Nov 4 #1
Cheney knew Bush was a hopeless long time alcoholic and cocaine addict. Irish_Dem Nov 4 #2
Nah, Bush did his job. Further propping up the ruling class. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 4 #31
Bush was a serious alcoholic, and a spoiled, entitled nepo baby. Irish_Dem Nov 4 #32
Fuck Cheney. Yesterday, today, tomorrow. Solly Mack Nov 4 #3
Thank you. LisaM Nov 4 #4
Anyone that can embrace a war criminal doesn't have a problem with Trump. Solly Mack Nov 4 #6
In Cheney's defense The Wizard Nov 4 #5
And yet, he helped create Trump. LisaM Nov 4 #7
+1,000,000 Auggie Nov 4 #15
Trump MAGA The Wizard Nov 4 #23
Kind of like Darth Vader redeeming himself at the end of Return of the Jedi nycbos Nov 4 #18
I forgot about how he faked being a Wyoming resident LisaM Nov 4 #8
Democrats can see shades of gray. Cheney's "first act" deservedly provoked anger, hatred, resentment hlthe2b Nov 4 #9
Even a stopped clock is corect twice a day. niyad Nov 4 #11
Perhaps jfz9580m Nov 4 #19
Your comment is stuck in the Pre-Trump era. There is no comparison. Fascism/authoritarianism vs classical conservatism hlthe2b Nov 4 #26
Dick Cheney was not a classic conservative jfz9580m Nov 4 #27
Compared to MAGA Fascists, he most certainly was. I detested him and his post-911 actions horrified me BUT hlthe2b Nov 4 #28
Well I respect that jfz9580m Nov 4 #29
EXACTLY!!! cheney and company paved the road to the hell in which we niyad Nov 4 #10
He was normalized when he wasn't tried for war crimes n/t leftstreet Nov 4 #12
GW Bush & Dick Cheney are war criminals. I wrote this poem for Bush when he left office: Martin Eden Nov 4 #13
Yes they did. They created this horror intentionally. Clouds Passing Nov 4 #14
I have three Dick Cheney stories that I'll try to post later today or tomorrow .. Bo Zarts Nov 4 #16
My rich cousins used to be next door Tree Lady Nov 4 #20
Dick Cheney was just as bad as Trump. War profiteer, responsible for the disastrous invasion of Iraq, outed a CIA office Martin68 Nov 4 #17
K&R jfz9580m Nov 4 #21
It's a measure of how truly foul Trump is. Mblaze Nov 4 #22
Looking at the pictures of Cheney the only good thing I can say is milestogo Nov 4 #24
He normalized things like "enemy combatant" crimes... CaptainTruth Nov 4 #25
And the failure of members of the Senate and the house to raise an objection, win or lose, was a moral failure of ... pat_k Nov 4 #30
Vice President JD Vance Excitedly Assumes Role of Worst Living Vice President LetMyPeopleVote Nov 5 #33
I don't think trump normalizes Cheney at all. Cheney, and W are "just" no longer the worst. electric_blue68 Nov 5 #34
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