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billh58

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93. The 2nd Amendment

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:51 PM

Dec 2012

Last edited Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:38 PM - Edit history (1)

and gun control are not political issues -- they are social issues. Almost 100 Americans die from gun violence every day in the USA, and many more are injured by guns. How in the hell is that a political issue?

The fucking NRA has made the 2nd Amendment a political issue by the buying and bullying of politicians to force the dismantling of sane legislation regulating firearms in the USA accumulated over 100 years of experience and lessons learned.

Nasty rhetoric? Hang out in the Gungeon for a few days and learn about right-wing, "me first" nasty rhetoric. The sewer of DU is rampant with nasty, and even nastier people. The outrage you are seeing from the real Liberal Democrats on DU is long overdue, and is not meant to be conciliatory. We have put up with abuse from the NRA and the right-wing Gungeoneers for far too long to be nice at this point.

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Pro-gun advocates will never have a rational discussion about gun laws and the 2nd Amendment [View all] ProSense Dec 2012 OP

Agreed Gun Apologists Are Beyond The Pail - The Rest Of Us Should Move On With Outlawing Their Toys cantbeserious Dec 2012 #1

Ann Coulter, another NRA Demoness from Hell Shuhered Dec 2012 #72

Looks like the NRA chicken hawks have been hiding all weekend. Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #2

I posted about talking civilly and to quit exploiting things Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2012 #3

That's not at all what you said. Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #13

No I didn't... Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2012 #17

you said nothing about "both sides" Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #21

I didn't clarify it until Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2012 #24

Well if we can't keep our babies safe it needs to be the hot topic until we can. Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #27

+100 BINGO! RC Dec 2012 #39

Huckabee is a Demon of the NRA Shuhered Dec 2012 #70

Except the common denominator here is that these people used high powered weaponry to kill Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #30

Thank You For Your Change Of Heart cantbeserious Dec 2012 #42

I've never been pro gun, just pro Democrats winning elections. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #48

Nonetheless - Thank You For Reconsidering Your Position To Engage On This Important Issue cantbeserious Dec 2012 #51

Thank You Shuhered Dec 2012 #109

I always thought that if you're logged in as a DU member thucythucy Dec 2012 #101

Politicized on which side? humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #62

Civility as opposed to... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #80

Did you just run billh58 Dec 2012 #96

The 2nd Amendment billh58 Dec 2012 #93

I've been pretty civil and so far, everyones been fairly civil with me. axetogrind Dec 2012 #26

Disingenuous at best. You ARE an NRA troll IMHO. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #53

Thanks.. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2012 #61

Awww, that's what they billh58 Dec 2012 #103

Like I said... Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2012 #107

Sadly some here resort to bragging about their arsenals. Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #4

one of them could not state the accurate number of guns Skittles Dec 2012 #19

Amen, Brother. baldguy Dec 2012 #5

"Sister." ProSense Dec 2012 #8

I stand corrected. baldguy Dec 2012 #81

and the NRA finds some miniscule piece of minutia to argue (the way they took down Dan Rather) graham4anything Dec 2012 #6

Then they need to be forced to put forth some legislation that will prevent this type of loudsue Dec 2012 #7

anti gun types aren't much better, to be honest WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #9

For a lot of people it's not anti-gun ProSense Dec 2012 #12

Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #20

Anti Gun??? humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #64

I think I have a unique persepctive WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #74

Truly there is only one perspective humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #79

i understand the viewpoint WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #91

Ban all guns with harsh penalties get our murder rates down to UK levels, fuck hunting. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #94

Just like the term "pro life" billh58 Dec 2012 #104

Bite me. ellisonz Dec 2012 #98

You forgot #4: This is not the right time to discuss regulating firearms. - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #10

That's typically not a ProSense Dec 2012 #15

Touche. It's bullshit either way, but I do think you're technically coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #23

I've come to the same conclusion. n/t OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #11

If they don't want to talk about it, fine. Now is the time to act, pass legislation. reformist2 Dec 2012 #14

Every time you try, they move the goal posts, change the focus. wyldwolf Dec 2012 #16

We've seen it here on these boards since Friday RomneyLies Dec 2012 #18

ProSense, I'm a pro-gun Democrat and I know others willing to discuss the issue with you but you jody Dec 2012 #22

Not 'ban, ban, ban'. How about 'license, regulate, register'? - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #25

Really? ProSense Dec 2012 #28

Your answer suggests you just want to rant and not participate in a discussion and not stoop jody Dec 2012 #31

Your comment was a "challenge" ProSense Dec 2012 #35

You made the complaint Please provide a link to an OP in DU's RKBA forum or even a post in it by you jody Dec 2012 #37

What the hell gives ProSense Dec 2012 #40

GD has been open to discuss RKBA only since the Sandy Hook tragedy. Please provide proof that you jody Dec 2012 #43

"GD has been open to discuss RKBA only since the Sandy Hook tragedy." ProSense Dec 2012 #46

You've provided posts that suggest you really aren't serious about having " a rational discussion jody Dec 2012 #54

Stop repeating nonsense. ProSense Dec 2012 #59

You offer your post in GD on Dec 16. If that's your answer then it confirms my suspicions. I hoped jody Dec 2012 #63

Afraid to respond to that OP? ProSense Dec 2012 #66

Put it in DU's RKBA forum and I will. nt jody Dec 2012 #68

What the hell is with you and the "DU RKBA" forum? ProSense Dec 2012 #71

Skinner does not allow OPs about RKBA outside the RKBA group, that's why. He made an exception only jody Dec 2012 #82

Now, you're just ProSense Dec 2012 #87

Your post starts by discussing militias and the 2A but you ignore Congress has all the authority it jody Dec 2012 #92

Hey, ProSense Dec 2012 #102

Take all the time you need to get over your fear of responding in GD. ProSense Dec 2012 #76

See #82 nt jody Dec 2012 #84

Of course she's serious but you aren't otherwise arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #45

Notice the deflection too. That's another way to derail the conversation about guns neverforget Dec 2012 #65

Yep, classic BS arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #75

Why would any reasonable person post in the Right to Kill Babies and Adults forum? RomneyLies Dec 2012 #67

Personal attacks are always helpful... n/t bobclark86 Dec 2012 #85

Right to Kill and Bury Americans? These guys even fight for known terrorists to buy guns MightyMopar Dec 2012 #29

6 bullets an hour. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #33

Would you consider ProSense Dec 2012 #41

I dont know. I suppose that might be doable. But why not have something that fires paintballs, etc? Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #44

Get to inventing it. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #47

I have great faith in the technological know how of this country's people. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #49

Here's a start to work off of: Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #52

A ways to go to reliably under 6 shots an hour, it violates the silliness, an antique. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #57

I'm sure the technological problems are not insurmountable. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #60

Kick & Rec. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #32

And in that order. ReRe Dec 2012 #34

I am so tired of saying the same thing to them over and over again. I just ignore them. loyalkydem Dec 2012 #36

Just like we ignore you Berserker Dec 2012 #73

Good loyalkydem Dec 2012 #106

True. shenmue Dec 2012 #38

They used to iandhr Dec 2012 #50

4. Wait for the NRA to threaten to destroy any politician that goes against them. Kablooie Dec 2012 #55

A well regulated militia shadowmayor Dec 2012 #56

welcome to DU! alp227 Dec 2012 #58

Excellent post humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #69

Congress has all the authority it needs for the militia in Article I, Section 8, clauses 15 & 16. jody Dec 2012 #86

SCOTUS Really? shadowmayor Dec 2012 #95

Read Heller and all the submitted briefs and you will begin to understand. nt jody Dec 2012 #97

I know these cases - often quoted as definitives on the subjet shadowmayor Dec 2012 #99

K&R nt avebury Dec 2012 #77

They are blinded by desperation, fear and paranoia morningfog Dec 2012 #78

The definition of insanity... werknotgoin2takeit Dec 2012 #83

#1 is correct... JoeyCollins Dec 2012 #88

always wanting to tell people what to do and how to live Skittles Dec 2012 #105

I find it funny when they go before Congress,... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #89

When the 2nd Amendment was ratified, guns only had one round... liberal N proud Dec 2012 #90

How do you define "pro-gun"? Kaleva Dec 2012 #100

The Secondment says that guns SHOULD BE regulated! OhZone Dec 2012 #108