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Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:57 AM

Jan 28

constructive critisism is allowed.
We are at a point and place we need to discuss what is working, and what isn't. Who is defending us, and who isn't.
Honest but difficult conversation should be allwed.

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I thought we supported democrats here [View all] SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 OP

Is it an attack to critique a public figure's public work? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 28 #1

Having a temper tantrum because SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #5

I think people would be upset if elected Dems were having temper tantrums. Think. Again. Jan 28 #8

Then what is the problem? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #26

I would have to see the specific posts you're complaining about... Think. Again. Jan 28 #32

I was asking about your post above SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #42

That post says not throwing tantrums isn't a problem. Think. Again. Jan 28 #51

Then what is the problem? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #52

Did I say there was a problem? Think. Again. Jan 28 #57

You said SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #69

I think that not throwing tantrums is not the problem. Think. Again. Jan 28 #74

The what do you think is 'the problem'? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #86

Control of government is temporary. DV1 Jan 28 #122

The problem is choie Jan 29 #244

Then what strategy do you recommend? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #246

I'm not a politician choie Jan 29 #248

Exactly how are they not prepared? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #249

Lack of a tactical response is not being prepared. choie Jan 29 #250

What do you consider a tactical response? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #251

What does a temper tantrum look like in this context? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 28 #10

Like this... LexVegas Jan 28 #12

Well done. Think. Again. Jan 28 #33

Any thing with blanket attacks SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #43

Like most generalizations, that blanket doesn't cover the bed. sop Jan 28 #67

i think it's important to criticize ourselves and learn samsingh Jan 28 #113

Ding Ding Ding dwayneb Jan 29 #235

To my knowledge DeepWinter Jan 28 #2

I would welcome constructive criticism SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #6

You say you want specifics angrychair Jan 28 #156

Why not? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #165

True angrychair Jan 28 #190

Yes SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #192

Step aside if they are not willing or able to do the job dalton99a Jan 28 #3

How are you defining their job? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #7

This is what Democrats aren't understanding. They think that the republican electorate Autumn Jan 28 #83

I didn't like Jefferies post either SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #85

The Democrats are playing a wait and see game. They're going to tune out the Autumn Jan 28 #99

Exactly what can be done to effectively fight? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #100

Take a cue from AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Jamie Raskin for starters. Autumn Jan 28 #102

All three are in the House, not the Senate SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #121

No they can't vote for them but they sure are exposing them. Autumn Jan 28 #123

Great SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #125

One last response to you, then I have things to do. The road to fascism is lined Autumn Jan 28 #126

Not what I said SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #130

And yet you propose none. nt Bobstandard Jan 28 #153

Neither are those SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #158

⬆️⬆️⬆️THIS⬆️⬆️⬆️ Think. Again. Jan 28 #137

And yeah I will go to my grave pissed off at Jefferies god is on the throne bullshit. 2naSalit Jan 28 #96

Do you depend on SNAP to eat? choie Jan 29 #252

What exactly do they need to do to fight? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #253

So, we just fire them and replace them with what??? LeftInTX Jan 28 #46

Yes we must be reminded that God is on His Throne and all will be well. Amen. Irish_Dem Jan 28 #4

Trust the Lord. He works in inscrutable ways dalton99a Jan 28 #9

Yes, god is on his throne and we should shut the fuck up Autumn Jan 28 #41

Are you suggesting we should not hold our representatives accountable? Think. Again. Jan 28 #11

Quite a lot of us don't have Democrats as our representatives maxrandb Jan 28 #15

I believe the OP is referring to Dem Representatives. Think. Again. Jan 28 #27

Bugging the crap out of the locals is key, imo. This a.m., the political ice just allegorical oracle Jan 28 #64

I am making so many calls to Retrumplican "leaders" maxrandb Jan 28 #75

What a concept! mcar Jan 28 #169

No SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #17

No...see...we shouldn't ask; "where the fuck are the Republicans"? maxrandb Jan 28 #13

One week into the mad man's 2nd admin and some are demanding Dem leaders do something... brush Jan 28 #18

Exactly what can they do? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #20

Not voting for bullshit would be one thing they could do. There should not be one Democratic vote for any of this. Gore1FL Jan 28 #78

OK SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #92

Let's start with putting dog killers in charge of DHS: Gore1FL Jan 28 #103

Thank you SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #110

And if those Senators all voted against Noem, it would have changed nothing Wiz Imp Jan 28 #116

One change would be my respect for the senators listed wouldn't be diminished. nt Gore1FL Jan 28 #117

That is fine. Criticize them for their votes if you don't agree with them. Wiz Imp Jan 28 #134

I live in Missouri and voted for Harris despite MO not going blue. Gore1FL Jan 28 #138

I would criticize you for voting for Trump. Wiz Imp Jan 28 #139

We are going to have to live with this disagreement, then. Gore1FL Jan 28 #142

Are you saying voting for Noem is constructive and productive? Emile Jan 28 #118

Nice strawman there. You know I wasn't saying that. Wiz Imp Jan 28 #129

No strawman asking you a question. Your Emile Jan 28 #140

You have an error in logic. Saying voting against a nominee is not constructive does not mean Wiz Imp Jan 28 #143

Well I see you can't answer your own logic. Speaking of strawman argument, Emile Jan 28 #147

OK. If you say so. Wiz Imp Jan 28 #151

I do say so and you are still not answering your own logic. Emile Jan 28 #152

Exactly SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #119

and how is voting for them effective and actually makes a difference? Emile Jan 28 #141

A handful voted SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #146

Your words, not mine. You said Emile Jan 28 #149

So democrats criticizing SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #162

You are still not answering your own logic. Emile Jan 28 #173

I'm not understanding your question SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #174

Do I have to copy and paste what you said in every reply? Emile Jan 28 #176

It would help SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #177

LOL 🤣 Emile Jan 28 #178

Im not an expert angrychair Jan 28 #161

I think it depends on context SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #167

They should be out everyday Marigold Jan 28 #81

Who is 'they' exactly? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #94

"They" is the Democrats Marigold Jan 28 #107

Who are 'the democrats'? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #108

Nevermind. Pointless discussion. Marigold Jan 28 #112

Have a nice day SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #114

What do you mean by "the?" And when you say, "be," in what sense are you using that word? Scrivener7 Jan 28 #154

You can find definitions here SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #159

Yes, but I really don't have a sense of how you are using them. Scrivener7 Jan 28 #164

The definitions are SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #168

They could not vote for the fuckery? Bettie Jan 28 #87

Who is 'they'? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #95

What do you mean by "who?" Please be specific. And your use of the asterisk. Scrivener7 Jan 28 #155

Definitions are here SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #163

We fucking KNOW where the republicans are. As to who the ones are Autumn Jan 28 #49

Oh good grief... NewHendoLib Jan 28 #14

It's getting ridiculous on all fronts. Autumn Jan 28 #37

I have a feeling it can get worse still! NewHendoLib Jan 28 #44

Oh yeah it's gonna get a lot worse. Leadership needs to pay a lot more attention Autumn Jan 28 #72

Looks like we should have sent Dems in Congress a copy of On Tyranny. OneGrassRoot Jan 28 #93

How many of Trump's EO's are illegal? gab13by13 Jan 28 #16

Prey tell, how do you stop EOs, especially Dems who are not the party in control? brush Jan 28 #22

Democrats need to wave their magic wand SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #24

Exactly. I say let's see how far the mad man goes. brush Jan 28 #35

Yes I am puzzled dwayneb Jan 29 #241

That's the problem SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #243

So Democrats should look the other way gab13by13 Jan 28 #45

A powerful story, good on you, and people who joined in. electric_blue68 Jan 29 #205

These two Democratic Congresswomen have been attacked on Democratic Underground. C0RI0LANUS Jan 28 #19

Not okay SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #23

Those two women demonized leadership of their own party AkFemDem Jan 28 #31

So you're saying they got out of line? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 28 #90

Uhhhh....seems like you are trying to play that role! tritsofme Jan 28 #120

Biden failed the purity test, so they burned the entire party. That simple. AkFemDem Jan 28 #136

So has Nancy Pelosi. But that's not what either of this is about. This about people who are basically LeftInTX Jan 28 #36

We need to use the "Alert" button whenever we see a skeevy post on DU FakeNoose Jan 28 #55

They are being alerted on! Too many jury members must think "shitting on Democrats" is OK. LeftInTX Jan 28 #65

I guess DU is not a cult. Think. Again. Jan 29 #201

They're probably feeling optimistic what with all the Democrat-bashing, but they failed to take betsuni Jan 29 #204

Attacked or criticized? mcar Jan 28 #171

Ultimately Matters Such As This Will Be Decided By Moderators Applying Site Rules MayReasonRule Jan 28 #21

Post removed Post removed Jan 28 #25

Perhaps you were wrong about your alerts? Think. Again. Jan 28 #29

Thanks for trying. I think this points to how the juries are thinking, which is not good. LeftInTX Jan 28 #30

Well said SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #34

I know...It's not constructive. LeftInTX Jan 28 #39

I agree, this OP is definitely not constructive. Think. Again. Jan 28 #56

Happy Tuesday Y'all Perhaps Contact Administration Directly MayReasonRule Jan 28 #82

... demmiblue Jan 28 #28

I support democrats. Have my entire life. I support them in many ways. boston bean Jan 28 #38

Exactly what do you want them to do? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #47

Lead. Not silence and acquiescence. boston bean Jan 28 #70

And exactly how would that stop any EO? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #73

No one is stating they can stop it. But vocally and vociferously speak against it ok? boston bean Jan 28 #76

Where I live they are working hard to mitigate it. It's quiet and behind the scenes. (ICE raids etc) LeftInTX Jan 28 #84

I've heard several Dems denounce them SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #89

It seems to me kacekwl Jan 28 #105

That's an exaggeration SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #109

Great good go know. kacekwl Jan 28 #111

We are seeing our nation being dismantled. I'm not sure if you are arguing against Democratic lawmakers doing Doodley Jan 28 #179

Speaking out is great SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #180

So no voters need to be educated about what is going on? Nothing can be done? Unbelievable. Doodley Jan 28 #186

Never said that SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #187

I support Democrats. I don't support "Democrats" who attack Democrats or enable trumpism or the GOP in general. themaguffin Jan 28 #40

I have no problem with criticizing SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #50

All righty then Jilly_in_VA Jan 28 #144

Never thought making a statement SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #150

Whatever Truman said... mountain grammy Jan 28 #48

Well atreides1 Jan 28 #63

There is a big difference regarding "attacking Democrats." gab13by13 Jan 28 #53

Criticizing Fetterman or any other democrat SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #60

I get it that Trump is president and can issue EO's. gab13by13 Jan 28 #77

Then please tell us SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #97

Check it out mcar Jan 28 #172

Yeah, well, when you lose two of three elections to Donald Trump BeyondGeography Jan 28 #54

Not blindly. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 28 #58

I'm not accepting any appeasement. The issue is simple for me. You either honor your oath of office and defend Hotler Jan 28 #59

What appeasement are you referring to? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #61

IMO. They all failed for not even trying to declare the orange one a domestic enemy. Hotler Jan 28 #131

All? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #135

Right. And these same people that are complaining because not all Democrats are voting against everything Wiz Imp Jan 28 #148

Voting for any of his cabinet appointments. Voltaire2 Jan 29 #217

And those who did deserve to be criticized SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #219

Rubio 99-0 Voltaire2 Jan 29 #220

So the actions of 47 people SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #221

Lol. Voltaire2 Jan 29 #222

And thats still on 47 people SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #223

Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #62

Trying to silence legitimate criticism doesn't support Democrats. Renew Deal Jan 28 #66

I'm all for specific criticism SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #71

Unfortunately, the issue isn't the will of Democrats kerouac2 Jan 28 #68

How about an example or two as to what exactly you are Bettie Jan 28 #79

You can just read this thread SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #106

The party seems to have fallen asleep and let a Republican majority get elected. Omnipresent Jan 28 #80

We can't speak out when we disagree with a Democrat. That sounds like the Republicans theatening doc03 Jan 28 #88

Correct. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 28 #91

I had lots of complaints I heard from the MAGAs viewpoint as to why Harris lost and Biden's doc03 Jan 28 #98

A democrat, yes SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #101

No, it's more like postponing D-Day until 1970 because "we don't want to be like the enemy". hadEnuf Jan 28 #104

How so? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #115

We have been keeping our powder dry and now we are flooded. We should have been hammering the GOP with everything we had hadEnuf Jan 28 #195

How have democrats been keeping their powder dry? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #196

This is kinda' off topic but I got sick... Septua Jan 28 #124

But your posts criticizing DU posters for daring to criticize niyad Jan 28 #127

I have no problem SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #133

Hmm, for some reason I keep thinking of Lady Violet. niyad Jan 28 #193

Lol SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #194

They hate a fictional Democratic Party, why all the dramatic emotions, conspiracy theories, passive-aggressive betsuni Jan 28 #128

Where are they? claudette Jan 28 #132

Give me a break. alarimer Jan 28 #145

This Oneironaut Jan 28 #160

Sure SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #170

all gone. stillcool Jan 28 #157

I found the attacks on Hakeem Jeffries mcar Jan 28 #166

Who are these du democrats you are accusing for not voting for Harris? Emile Jan 28 #175

The "uncommitted" who regularly trashed mcar Jan 28 #181

Well you must have an idea who they are. Emile Jan 28 #182

It'd be easy enough for you to Google mcar Jan 28 #183

So you won't answer. Emile Jan 28 #184

I've answered - and nice try mcar Jan 28 #188

No you didn't, not even a nice try. Emile Jan 28 #191

I will never understand disagreeing with elected leaders over things important to us is called bashing. LakeArenal Jan 28 #185

Calling out individual democrats SocialDemocrat61 Jan 28 #189

There are times when the Democratic Party is, and should be, seen as a whole.... Think. Again. Jan 29 #202

Demonizing a whole group of people SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #206

There's a big difference between "demonizing" and holding accountable. Think. Again. Jan 29 #212

Yes hold individuals accountable SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #213

You don't seem to understand that when a majority of any given group act... Think. Again. Jan 29 #214

You don't seem to understand SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #215

I beg to differ... Think. Again. Jan 29 #216

Don't kid yourself SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #218

If they were doing that already.... Think. Again. Jan 29 #224

They were doing that already SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #225

Oh, so they were doing it SECRETLY, like garland did his job... Think. Again. Jan 29 #226

No, publicly SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #227

Again, if they were being proactive publicly... Think. Again. Jan 29 #228

Again, for some it's never enough SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #229

Well, they're STARTING to speak out now... Think. Again. Jan 29 #230

No they were doing it already SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #231

Including the one when Biden was still President? Emile Jan 29 #232

So they were only allowed to speak out SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #233

LOL Emile Jan 29 #234

Have a great day SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #236

You made my day, thanks. Emile Jan 29 #238

You're very welcome SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #239

I don't sign or believe in Loyalty Oaths. I''d rather think for myself. Ping Tung Jan 29 #197

Who said anything about loyalty oaths SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #199

Loyalty oaths, cult, blind allegiance, bow down, worship, toe the line, hive mind, betsuni Jan 29 #208

Too many just want SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #210

Ironic that they're the "Democrats can be too big of a tent" "there's no standard" people -- purity tests and betsuni Jan 29 #245

LOL Skittles Jan 29 #198

And they will continue to win SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #200

we support them Skittles Jan 29 #203

Never said anything about goose stepping SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #209

Just get it over with and say you want total obedience Renew Deal Jan 29 #240

Never said I want total obedience SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #242

that hardly describes the situation Skittles Jan 29 #269

True SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #270

How do you define "attacking"? Elessar Zappa Jan 29 #207

Post that SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #211

Some deserve it nt doc03 Jan 29 #237

Some do SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #247

I think there's some latitude in the rules depending on if we're in an election season or not CrispyQ Jan 29 #254

I have no issue with SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #255

I guess I'm one you'd take issue with then cuz I agree, as a party, as a unified voice, they aren't doing enough. -nt CrispyQ Jan 29 #258

What should they be doing? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #259

A unified no vote for all of his nominees would be a good start. CrispyQ Jan 29 #260

Are they all unqualified? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #261

I'm not a political strategist so maybe they should hire a few. Also, you're exhausting. Bye. -nt CrispyQ Jan 29 #264

Why? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #265

I thought claudette Jan 29 #256

Are you saying they don't? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #257

No claudette Jan 29 #262

How are they silent? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #263

Guess I mean claudette Jan 29 #266

All democrats don't get the media attention SocialDemocrat61 Jan 29 #267

Ok claudette Jan 29 #268