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karynnj

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223. I live in Vermont, where there were very few ads period

Thu Nov 21, 2024, 03:23 PM

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I suspect, as with Hillary, her team thought speaking of how good and improved the economy was would actually work against her with people not yet doing well. ( This was something the Hillary campaign spoke of.)

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Democrats need to address the "Working Class" problem and get over the "Isms" [View all] Hellbound Hellhound Saturday OP

Yes, racism and sexism DID matter. If Kamala were a middle-aged Scrivener7 Saturday #1

So the race was lost as soon as Biden stepped down and she became the candidate? jalan48 Saturday #17

Biden is a straight, white man. paleotn Saturday #31

So we should begin to lie to them like Trump did? travelingthrulife Saturday #97

That's it. It's impossible to win against a rich white man who lies about everything, promises everything, viva la Saturday #101

This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Saturday #104

That's the message I got from it. yardwork Sunday #169

I'm not sure what we're supposed to do differently, either! o/ ShazzieB Sunday #186

Not hardly. Take credit where credit is due. There's a hell of a lot of credit we're due in that regard. paleotn Saturday #126

Well is capitalism Akakoji Saturday #133

Look at the numbers!!! It was race and gender!!! That is the WHOLE story!!! Scrivener7 Saturday #103

No, actually, we didn't twist ourselves into knots over it. paleotn Saturday #115

Then we made a mistake nominating VP Harris? And from here on only EITHER non-white OR kelly1mm Saturday #136

Yes. It is. And we have been beaten over the head twice now with that fact. Scrivener7 Saturday #141

Well that hits like a 2x4! Maybe (probably?) true though. I fear the first woman in the WH will be a R. nt kelly1mm Saturday #142

Oh, God. You might be right. And look at that field of possibilities. Gabbard, the Russian asset, Scrivener7 Saturday #145

Laura Trump, the next Senator from FL and (potential) future 1st woman President? She has the name ... nt kelly1mm Saturday #146

I'm nauseous. Scrivener7 Saturday #148

THIS!!!! n/t DemonGoddess Monday #193

I can imagine more qualified candidates in fact more qualified female candidates Jk23 Thursday #225

No. Racism and sexism among our own is what came back to bite us. Look at the numbers. Scrivener7 Thursday #228

Sexism maybe but the US has no problem electing a black president. NT Jk23 Thursday #233

America has no problem electing a black president who has enough charisma to stop a train. Scrivener7 Thursday #235

Totally agree with every word get the red out Thursday #230

Agreed "economic insecurity" is bs. intheflow Sunday #181

I don't disagree. ShazzieB Sunday #187

I do too. It's heartbreaking. Scrivener7 Sunday #190

Biden beat Trump. This time aging affected how he came across JI7 Saturday #125

By a damn landslide. Scrivener7 Sunday #182

We need a more populist message get the red out Thursday #229

No it didn't. Many know it but just don't want to accept it, because accepting it admits failure. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #33

Replying late, but just have to say I definitely agree! ShazzieB Sunday #188

I'm seeing a lot about messaging and I get that. A Bernie type of candidate may have wiped the floor with tRump yaesu Saturday #2

I get it. Some of our founders got it too. paleotn Saturday #42

Messaging means nothing if voters don't feel like the Democrats have done enough for them... DSandra Saturday #48

The republicans are all about isms Keepthesoulalive Saturday #3

Reps have ACKNOWLEDGED them in a way Dems didn't. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #7

They are eating the cats and dogs, Puerto Rico is a garbage island. Keepthesoulalive Saturday #35

It's almost like our messaging didn't reach the voters! Glad we agree! Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #39

No we don't agree Keepthesoulalive Saturday #53

Considering those states are some of the highest concentrations of Black Americans, I wonder what you mean. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #56

Look at the Demos JustAnotherGen Saturday #61

It's a very good question. If people think letting magats suffer after voting for Tadpole Raisin Saturday #65

"... why hasn't that happened in southern states?" Mariana Sunday #165

Gerrymandering and voter suppression Keepthesoulalive Saturday #78

Good luck with your procedure. As for the OP, we left-of-center libs/progressive Dems are at... brush Thursday #234

I seem to recall hearing many times kacekwl Saturday #62

Harris Had Plans OhioTim Saturday #114

Manipulate them to get votes, but they are good in being con artists... DSandra Saturday #49

It is easy to manipulate someone Keepthesoulalive Saturday #59

Yep, MAGA framing is as if PoC aren't mostly "working class" ... M$M repeats it ad nauseum uponit7771 Saturday #91

Thread is typical product of brainwashing krkaufman Saturday #123

I agree. Bernie has been saying this for awhile, but it's not a message favored by the wealth class. jalan48 Saturday #4

Agreed. "Identity" is a losing message, period. We're losing the AA and Latino vote to economic extremists. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #9

What African American vote? JustAnotherGen Saturday #15

92% of less than 10% of the American voting populace isn't enough. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #18

Exactly JustAnotherGen Saturday #25

I do agree with that. So how do we reach them? Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #29

That's on you JustAnotherGen Saturday #60

You can't have a party of just black woman and Rich over educated white people Jk23 Thursday #226

But what if we don't do the work JustAnotherGen Thursday #236

Messaging ? Your think republican kacekwl Saturday #79

I like how this guy JustAnotherGen Saturday #81

Didn't apparently try to convince his mom and grandma that they were voting for a racist transphobe either... AZSkiffyGeek Saturday #111

Yep krkaufman Saturday #124

What did he do for them? Keepthesoulalive Saturday #135

I'm genuinely confused by your message. yardwork Sunday #167

Here's a hint: Bettie Sunday #172

Wrong dead wrong... JT45242 Saturday #5

"Or their misinformed, uneducated PERCEPTION of the economy" soandso Saturday #21

Uneducated isn't wrong JustAnotherGen Saturday #67

But they still have the right to vote...so...they will go with the one who speaks like they do. Lucky Luciano Saturday #85

Perception is reality...marshall mcluhan JT45242 Saturday #153

As someone who is in the bottom 80%, people saying that the economy is great when its not for them... DSandra Saturday #51

The biggest economic gains were in the bottom half... JT45242 Sunday #164

Exactly Sunsky Saturday #75

"It's the stupid, stupid." krkaufman Saturday #130

I think the perception thing goes two ways Jk23 Thursday #227

tell me exactly how repukes are helping the working class Skittles Saturday #6

Trump doubled the standard deduction, increased the Child Tax Credit, and expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit Shermann Saturday #13

Exactly. Even if he's lying, he's telling people what they want to hear. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #14

Trump mishandled covid and crashed the fucking economy Skittles Saturday #19

nope. any other questions? Takket Saturday #34

He seems to have been given a pass on the pandemic. Shermann Saturday #46

HE RODE ON OBAMA'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS Skittles Saturday #54

I do blame Dems and the media ... krkaufman Saturday #132

Yes, doubled the standard deduction, but due to shifts in the tax brackets.... paleotn Saturday #55

You got the increased itemization threshold backwards Shermann Saturday #58

The tax brackets changed, eliminating most of that benefit of an increased standard deduction. paleotn Saturday #63

I do my own taxes and don't share your view. nt Shermann Saturday #64

I do mine and do share my view. paleotn Saturday #66

Ok I guess we're going there. Shermann Saturday #80

You're only getting part of the picture. You forgot about personal and dependent exemptions. paleotn Saturday #110

You smuggled two dependents into the equation Shermann Saturday #120

They're undocumented. Let it slide. paleotn Saturday #127

OK I reran the 2017 numbers from my original example Shermann Sunday #159

He fucked the State Income Tax States JustAnotherGen Saturday #77

Yes, families in high-tax states were the losers there. nt Shermann Saturday #92

You know how kacekwl Saturday #121

Actuality doesn't matter. Perception trumps reality, pardon the pun. paleotn Saturday #45

The price of eggs mattered. Pure b.s. and a cover story for stolen election. Just my thought. Botany Saturday #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #10

You seem to have bought into Republican SharonClark Saturday #11

The Democratic Candidates JustAnotherGen Saturday #12

We are absolutely natural survivors Dem4life1234 Wednesday #195

I'm not reading M$M media right now - JustAnotherGen Thursday #198

I don't blame you for feeling that way. yardwork Thursday #210

lmao tldr Nimble_Idea Saturday #16

So much advice, so many simple answers...nt Fiendish Thingy Saturday #20

You're right. The needed answers are incredibly simple. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #24

Then why are you upthread JustAnotherGen Saturday #87

Of course they might be simple answers to the wrong questions. Fiendish Thingy Saturday #107

Don't worry guys. Next time new messaging: "Free Brawndo for all. Brawndo has electrolytes! It's got what plants crave!" spudspud Saturday #22

Thank you JustAnotherGen Saturday #26

what about black working class voters who are reliably Democratic? bigtree Saturday #23

What about 'em? Their numbers are irrelevant and even if they weren't, Trump's eating into them. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #32

'Their numbers are irrelevant' bigtree Saturday #44

"Offensive" if you refuse to consider raw numbers and basic math. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #50

you didn't talk numbers bigtree Saturday #70

What he says about women also makes my skin crawl. What a load of magagop. Hekate Saturday #118

You didn't listen to the messaging. It was all about working class needs. travelingthrulife Saturday #86

"We're losing Blacks" This is false on its face, same number of blacks voted for Harris this time than last time ... uponit7771 Saturday #99

Fucking Kanye West puts on a stupid fucking MAGA hat and they claim blacks are moving toward fucking MAGA. SoFlaBro Sunday #158

92% of Black voters supported Biden, but only 86% backed Harris Shermann Sunday #161

That is false or misleading Biden did not get 92% of the Black vote He got 87% standingtall Sunday #177

THANK YOU!!! uponit7771 Sunday #184

Please quote your claim from the article, I could not find it after text search and reading it uponit7771 Sunday #183

It's such a bullshit lie Dem4life1234 Wednesday #196

Right, makes me think something ... non science... uponit7771 Wednesday #197

Thank you Bigtree. I am about beside myself over this wretched thread.... Hekate Saturday #72

This !!! Winger messaging permiating DU is crazy uponit7771 Saturday #98

Push back hard Hekate Saturday #116

right !! uponit7771 Saturday #96

Nothing you say makes any difference ibegurpard Saturday #27

I got your "faux elitism." Paladin Saturday #28

Sadly, I doubt that blue collar workers will get it until they've all lost their unions. PeaceWave Saturday #30

Most blue collar workers don't have unions. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #36

So, are you saying these workers would prefer to have no benefits? The GOP can arrange that. PeaceWave Saturday #37

Why don't you JustAnotherGen Saturday #89

Democrats should focus on economic issues and keep cultural issues at local level dalton99a Saturday #38

100% agreed. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #41

Enumerate which ones you mean. Women's reproductive rights and care? Racism? All that? Hekate Saturday #47

Abortions wasn't important to 70-80% of people; We focused on shit people didn't care about. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #52

THE HELL YOU SAY Hekate Saturday #73

Boom! JustAnotherGen Saturday #90

Thanks. I CAN'T BELIEVE I STILL HAVE TO PROTEST THIS SHIT Hekate Saturday #93

This person thinks JustAnotherGen Saturday #139

When these accursed forced-birthers moved away from "babies" and started redefining... Hekate Saturday #151

You don't think people care about abortion? BlueHurricane Saturday #106

"We"? lolol -- TBF Saturday #113

Jesus H. Christ. What is wrong with you? Scrivener7 Saturday #117

1 in 4 American women have had an abortion. Far more than 2%. sinkingfeeling Saturday #128

They'll use cultural issues no matter what the Dems do (2004 gay marriage). Duncan Grant Saturday #69

Leave civil rights and individual liberties to the states? EnergizedLib Sunday #185

"All of us need to better and to give up on our faux elitism." J_William_Ryan Saturday #40

How about "we" address the rank misogyny in this country? Hekate Saturday #43

So as of this post, I'm out. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #57

Good luck with your surgery! questionseverything Saturday #68

Best of luck w your surgery. Expect lots of pushback when you return. Hekate Saturday #95

When can we start addressing "class" issues? That's the fertile ground, imho. Duncan Grant Saturday #71

Last, sedateed, post before I go in. Agreeee. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #74

YESSSS!!! Prairie Gates Saturday #83

Didn't W win running on a promise of a direct payment to citizens? JoseBalow Saturday #76

Democrats need to return to a full-throated critique of CAPITALISM Prairie Gates Saturday #82

A good middle-ground is to critique UNFETTERED CAPITALISM. nt Shermann Saturday #138

and how Predatory Capitalism caused inflation. Emile Sunday #163

Uh huh NoRethugFriends Saturday #84

It will be the working class that suffers most from Trump's rule liberalgunwilltravel Saturday #88

We also need better ways to get the messages delivered. hadEnuf Saturday #131

H1N5 is starting to mutate enough it might be able to jump to humans. haele Sunday #157

PoC are mostly "working class" too uponit7771 Saturday #94

Yeah, but you and me both know that's not what they mean when they say "working class." Iggo Saturday #100

True, its just we allow "they" to define the conversation way too much uponit7771 Saturday #112

I would have bet that surgery... appmanga Saturday #102

Ah another voice Bettie Saturday #105

I absolutely believe the "isms" and "ics" matter. slightlv Saturday #108

Which "Working Class"? The Unions went in large numbers to Harris. haele Saturday #109

What a load of absolute right wing, corporate media BS SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #119

Just a reprehensible thread krkaufman Saturday #122

Thank you. Scrivener7 Saturday #147

She won the working class of all groups other than white people JI7 Saturday #129

Thank you. Yavin4 Saturday #149

The problem is propaganda Diraven Saturday #134

Are you kidding me Figarosmom Saturday #137

Trump's tariffs will likely create an immediate spike in inflation Shermann Saturday #140

+1000 nt WarGamer Saturday #143

it's the republicans who keep "isms" going. They are the ones who are DESPERATE ecstatic Saturday #144

It's remarkable ... krkaufman Saturday #152

I hope your arm surgery is fully successful. CoopersDad Saturday #150

I can walk and chew gum at the same time! Eko Saturday #154

FFS how many more times are we going to have this thread? Blue_Tires Sunday #155

They don't WANT to believe it JustAnotherGen Yesterday #239

I agree, at least to a degree mvd Sunday #156

We have to stop the propaganda they are consuming before ANYTHING travelingthrulife Sunday #175

You smuggled in a falsehood Shermann Sunday #160

We need to improve our messaging. Emile Sunday #162

Here.we go again. With obsessive focus on economic JCMach1 Sunday #166

We need to fix our messaging pinkstarburst Sunday #168

The problem is the more stupidi of white folks get the "economic anxiety" something awful anytime a Republican isn't TheKentuckian Sunday #170

The demand for liberal purity got us into this mess mainer Sunday #171

This is true. Fish700 Sunday #191

'"Racism!" "Sexism!" "Transphobic!" but at the end of the day none of that mattered' marmar Sunday #173

No isms, so no classism. Solly Mack Sunday #174

"let's start winning election and speak to the people crying out for help." WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #176

This sums up the U.S. problem. yardwork Thursday #200

Misinformation is what has the maga voters locked in oldmanlynn Sunday #178

No. intheflow Sunday #179

Can we stop this myth about the wonderful working class? kansasobama Sunday #180

If the Dems do that, they will lose me for good Blasphemer Sunday #189

Democrats need to address that there's a massive propaganda problem in this country. Initech Monday #192

I hate to admit it RJ_MacReady Monday #194

You obviously saw a different election than I did karynnj Thursday #199

She never ran an ad PennRalphie Thursday #207

I live in Vermont, where there were very few ads period karynnj Thursday #223

I live in western PA PennRalphie Thursday #224

But it's simply isn't true Jk23 Thursday #232

Some people also find the identity politics stuff unbearable iemanja Thursday #201

I think that's exactly wrong. yardwork Thursday #202

No, I don't believe that iemanja Thursday #203

I think you're letting the Republicans gaslight you. yardwork Thursday #212

I know full well she didn't, and I said as much at the time iemanja Thursday #214

One thing I would request of the drop the isms crowd JustAnotherGen Thursday #204

I see your point iemanja Thursday #205

do you have a credible source for this backlash? I'm finding a lot of claims but no credible sources... Thx in advance uponit7771 Thursday #206

I've read lots of posts on social media iemanja Thursday #208

That's anecdote not data from credible source like Gallop showing how "isms" affected voting patterns. What we do have uponit7771 Thursday #216

One example iemanja Thursday #209

Anecdote... Just need a credible source relative to the claim... Tia uponit7771 Thursday #215

What do you mean by a credible source? iemanja Thursday #217

We all tend to be products of our environment, information we're surrounded with might not be true uponit7771 Thursday #218

I see your point iemanja Thursday #219

This adds do move voters just didn't change votes, this was a turn out election for MAGA too uponit7771 Thursday #222

It's hard to get the message out with the media we have nini Thursday #211

I would add Twitter to that too JustAnotherGen Thursday #213

Absolutely! nini Yesterday #237

2024 was about preserving the wealthy white anglo male christian patriarchy GoreWon2000 Thursday #220

I can't believe this bullshit generated so much discussion. Scrivener7 Thursday #221

The presidential campaign did insist that the economy was great. That was a giant mistake. Voltaire2 Thursday #231

Funny how Kamala's campaign was all about the business of the people and helping them. Jit423 Yesterday #238