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hunter

(38,938 posts)
50. The not-so-wealthy can walk away or die trying.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 12:26 PM
Thursday

My ancestors left Europe in times when everything was turning to shit there. Some of them might not have survived if they'd stayed.

The U.S.A. wasn't their land of golden opportunity, it was a land of refuge.

I have a Southern ancestor who saw the Civil War coming, along with the inevitability of conscription, so he just started walking to Oregon. His intent was not much beyond saving his own skin, and Oregon was probably attractive to him because it was "whites only" then. But he did deny the Confederacy a soldier.

My family doesn't have any Civil War history besides that, in spite of them being here in the U.S.A. at the time. Whenever things got too uncomfortable for them politically, or they found themselves in legal binds or heading for bankruptcy, they'd head west into the wilderness, just as their ancestors had crossed the Atlantic.

My grandparents fought the Nazi and Japanese empires in their own ways. My dad's dad was an Army Air Force officer and engineer who never ever talked about his war time service. He was later an engineer for the Apollo project. He would talk about that. My dad's mom worked for the USO. My mom's parents were pacifists. Their compromise was working as West Coast shipyard welders, building and repairing Liberty and Victory ships. They would not build weapons.

I sometimes wonder how my grandparents would have fared if the U.S.A. had lost the war, as depicted in Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle. They probably would have vanished into the Rocky Mountain States to live with relatives.

So I can't dis Ellen for leaving, it's in my blood too. On the other hand, England might not be the political sanctuary people think it is, except that there are fewer heavily armed crazies lurking in the shadows. Not getting shot when vile right wing Christians and politicians have targeted you is always a good life plan.

yeah, that's the way to fight fascism Skittles Thursday #1
I'd GTFO of this soon to be shithole if I had anywhere I could go CousinIT Thursday #7
Your comment here bdamomma Thursday #32
True. I am one of them. CousinIT Thursday #37
CousinIT bdamomma Thursday #38
my mum was English Skittles Thursday #71
A lot of countries have retirement visas Farmer-Rick Thursday #77
My family did not fight fascism in Germany edhopper Thursday #19
Do you blame Albert Einstein for fleeing Nazi Germany? Johonny Thursday #25
Why stick around for the Supreme Court to invalidate your marriage meadowlander Thursday #62
If you decided to fight facism orangecrush Thursday #31
Who said they had to fight it? usedtobedemgurl Thursday #34
What does it mean to fight? ck4829 Thursday #40
Tens of thousands of Jewish people left Germany in 1933. Mariana Thursday #41
you are really going to compare ELLEN FUCKING DEGENERES to that Skittles Thursday #73
Yes, I will. Mariana Thursday #75
Fight? They can still vote and lobby for change from anywhere in the world. SaintLouisBlues Thursday #67
Good on Ellen DeGeneres & Cha Thursday #2
And they didn't make a big fuss about it soandso Thursday #3
So Do I.. Mahalo! Right... they Just Did It. Cha Thursday #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Thursday #24
The way it's going to go here this was the right move for them moniss Thursday #4
The local police, the sheriffs, the state police magicarpet Thursday #51
So the felon gives bdamomma Thursday #59
Ellen did more than most ibegurpard Thursday #5
They're lucky rambler_american Thursday #6
That was my first though... Think. Again. Thursday #8
It's their decision, and they have the means to do so. DFW Thursday #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Thursday #13
We so very much agree!!! DFW Thursday #14
I'm jealous. I wish we could afford to do that. I wish them both much happiness. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #10
De Rossi has dual US/Aussie citizenship already SomewhereInTheMiddle Thursday #12
My wife and Ibought some land in New Brunswick, CA rambler_american Thursday #11
So sorry Delphinus Thursday #15
Wow bdamomma Thursday #26
Yeah, there is a housing crunch here. Disaffected Thursday #47
Oh I love NH rambler_american Thursday #78
I know bdamomma Thursday #79
Bye. Passages Thursday #16
As I've been saying Bettie Thursday #17
A lot of People are leaving. BBbats Thursday #18
And nothing of value was lost Sympthsical Thursday #20
Some People Have the Means to Move Like That. MineralMan Thursday #21
I think it's a good barometer orangecrush Thursday #30
Maybe. However, they also have the means to reverse the decision. MineralMan Thursday #45
My wife and I visited the Cotswolds back in 1992. Borogove Thursday #22
How the Cotswolds became the billionaires' new playground Celerity Thursday #33
Wow, it sure has changed. Borogove Thursday #46
Thank you, as always, for such fascinating information and images. niyad Thursday #66
Awww. Thanks for that, Niyad. I aways enjoy your posts as well. Celerity Thursday #80
of course bdamomma Thursday #23
Defend what? orangecrush Thursday #28
Okay bdamomma Thursday #36
If you decided to fight facism orangecrush Thursday #42
If you know Jilly_in_VA Thursday #55
Last one to leave please turn out the lights. orangecrush Thursday #27
Hopes may rise on the Grasmere... Prairie Gates Thursday #29
A solution to fascism for the very rich. milestogo Thursday #35
I would not berate Jews orangecrush Thursday #43
I didn't berate anyone. milestogo Thursday #49
"criticize" orangecrush Thursday #53
I sure wouldn't. From the time I was born, my parents were close friends with a family that... Hekate Thursday #74
The not-so-wealthy can walk away or die trying. hunter Thursday #50
Three of my grandparents also left Europe and came to the US for a better life. milestogo Thursday #52
yup Skittles Thursday #72
The Cotswolds are beautiful, though we've never been in winter surfered Thursday #39
I imagine other prominant people will go Marthe48 Thursday #44
The rich can afford to leave, to avoid devastation by the rich. usonian Thursday #48
Post removed Post removed Thursday #54
Women and children first or everyone for themselves? jalan48 Thursday #56
Lots of rumors about Ellen Degeneres MontanaMama Thursday #57
Oh! soandso Thursday #65
Must be nice to have enough money to be allowed to do that Takket Thursday #60
I'd say able not "allowed" soandso Thursday #61
There are stories from pre WW2 Germany and Europe LPBBEAR Thursday #63
Flee, fight, or freeze Cirsium Thursday #64
Wow, the Cotswolds. Good for them. I envy Ilsa Thursday #68
They purchased the home in October before the election. nt Ilsa Thursday #69
Interesting soandso Thursday #70
A lot of Ellen's former employees SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #76
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