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stopdiggin

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66. the 'electoral college' has been done to death here on DU

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:17 PM

Nov 20

EVERYONE (including this poster) knows all about the system backwards and forwards. It is the SAME system that we have operated under since it was instituted in 1787. And incidentally the times when the college has usurped the result of the popular vote (insofar as it was known at the time. and of course included little caveats such as land ownership, white skin tone, and testicles during a good portion thereof) still continued to be relatively few - despite the recent hue and cry. (something like 4 times? at least of half of those in the 19th century. and a couple in which Congress did more in the way of disenfranchising the vote than the actual electoral college.)

If the democracy we in fact have isn't suitable to your needs today - then by all means go out and get yourself a better one! And of course - good luck with that! In the meantime, time and efforts would be better spent trying to devise ways to win with the system currently in place - surprisingly (shockingly) something quite similar to what both the Harris and Trump campaigns attempted to do in this past election.

One succeeded. One failed.

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you didn't read the post stopdiggin Nov 19 #19

I'm sorry. I do t understand your comment. hamsterjill Nov 19 #22

the majority gave us Donald Trump stopdiggin Nov 19 #25

A "majority" of about 1%. whathehell Nov 20 #40

but quite sufficient to WIN stopdiggin Nov 20 #45

Yes, its "sufficient" whathehell Nov 20 #58

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Bingo. calimary Nov 20 #42

it's the same F-ing 'democracy' that we've sheltered stopdiggin Nov 20 #44

It is not a popular democracy Meowmee Nov 20 #48

the 'electoral college' has been done to death here on DU stopdiggin Nov 20 #66

except- mopinko Nov 20 #51

so what it boils down to (as far as you and Louie are concerned) stopdiggin Nov 20 #67

I LOVE this quote! Gonna use it! calimary Nov 20 #82

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pretty much stopdiggin Nov 20 #61

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