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ancianita

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22. I'd love to say that, from an Independent, the essay was a) fact based high compliment to Harris, Walz and Democrats,

Reply to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:25 PM

Nov 19

and b) fact based crushing judgment of Trumper mindlessness.

He's right. I know some educated and some uneducated trumpers, and not one of them cares to read or learn or know more about what they don't know. They're right because Trump's right.

When Pavlovitz says...

"How the hell do you “message” against that?"...

"Donald Trump invited people to stop thinking and to let fear lead them, and I’m not sure how we reverse that for those who accepted the invite.

Kamala Harris and the Dems didn't fail America, they just exist in a nation where far too many people don't pay attention or care to understand what's actually happening.

Maybe more of them will now."

He sounded clear in perspective until his last sentence darkened his clarity, suddenly sounding just like a hopeful Independent.

For him to be credible to me, he'd need to do focus groups with fellow Independents who in 2024 split evenly between Harris and Trump, then write about what their Trump vote says about his fellow Independents.

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John Pavlovitz: No, the Democratic Party Can't "Message Better" to Racism, Misogyny, and Ignorance [View all] Dennis Donovan Nov 19 OP

100% correct article. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #1

I agree. The last quoted paragraph sums it up. Nt spooky3 Nov 19 #2

The most perfect summation of the election possible. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #4

K&R Docreed2003 Nov 19 #3

Sorry, but it is indeed the lack of Dem Party messaging... SnoopDog Nov 19 #5

This SomedayKindaLove Nov 19 #9

NO, that's just not true... Moostache Nov 19 #12

"People think the economy sucks because its all they HEAR and SEE and are TOLD." SnoopDog Nov 19 #13

Propaganda is not messaging. Moostache Nov 19 #18

The billionaire-owned Media will not message for the Dems... SnoopDog Nov 19 #20

The dem party does not own or chair any happy feet Nov 19 #31

Exactly.... SnoopDog Nov 19 #32

The media voters consume is alternative media: social media, podcasts, and radio iemanja Nov 20 #72

Propaganda is literally messaging JoseBalow Nov 19 #29

"Propaganda is not messaging." Prescisely. Cha Nov 20 #42

Propaganda is a TYPE of messaging where influencing harumph Nov 20 #48

Propaganda is Bullshit.. "Haitians eating cats & dogs" Cha Nov 20 #59

How is it not? iemanja Nov 20 #70

"The Democratic Party does not have a message media infrastructure." soldierant Nov 19 #33

They did. cab67 Nov 20 #49

That's the best reply I have heard in a long long time. Bravo!! Here Here! ReRe Nov 19 #21

Excellent Post, Moostache... Mahalo for Cha Nov 20 #41

The media--largely alternative media--controls messaging iemanja Nov 20 #73

The problem as I see it is a whore media that normalized all of the weird and dangerous things * has said. OMGWTF Nov 19 #23

That's why the Dem Party need media messaging outlets. SnoopDog Nov 19 #25

The Democratic message was excellent. Harris & Walz hit the nail on the head every time. hadEnuf Nov 19 #28

Exactly, I have no idea when this is not obvious to everyone. Tumbulu Nov 20 #62

Wrong! We lost because of the racist sexist crap in this country that says a woman esp. a WOC shouldn't be president. PortTack Nov 20 #45

What do you suggest? Should we purchase thousands of small radio stations? Magoo48 Nov 20 #52

Yes, we need radio stations in every state... SnoopDog Nov 20 #53

I agree, Joe's accomplishes were not messaged to the people during his 4 years..... Butterflylady Nov 20 #63

In Pennsylvania, the Harris campaign TV ads were "take it easy on Trump" Number9Dream Nov 20 #64

It takes years and years to properly message the people... SnoopDog Nov 20 #65

I agree, but they didn't even try. I'm sure there were some undecided independents in PA. Number9Dream Nov 20 #66

Disagree mcar Nov 20 #68

Totally agree... SnoopDog Nov 20 #74

Republican billionaires bought them mcar Nov 20 #75

But for Some it's ALWAYS Blame the Dems Cha Nov 19 #6

If you're trying to win the electoral college... Lucky Luciano Nov 19 #17

They are NOT "echo chambares" Just Because Cha Nov 19 #35

Meh...you're right, let's just keep the same approach which has worked so well. Lucky Luciano Nov 20 #51

Meh. Cha Nov 20 #58

The control of the Supreme Court was on the ballot in 2016 LetMyPeopleVote Nov 19 #38

Mahalo, LMPV.. You Get IT * & Jill Fucking Stein LIED Cha Nov 20 #40

Joe Biden apparently wouldn't consider expanding the Extreme Court to 13 justices. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 20 #47

Sure was. And we were told by some on the far left mcar Nov 20 #71

+++ JohnSJ Nov 20 #43

This is truth! Dem4life1970 Nov 19 #7

Biden was the most pro white working class president radius777 Nov 19 #8

She did everything right. She talk middle/working class. The only thing is man on ticket LizBeth Nov 19 #10

Reasons? Personally, I think the pandemic gave people an excuse that Trump would have been really great, but for that RoeVWade Nov 19 #11

When "The immigrants are eating the cats and dogs."..is a more potent campaign point than... albacore Nov 19 #14

Or people believe the "Deep State" which I call sensible people in government trying to derail a sociopath, prevented RoeVWade Nov 19 #15

Case in point: madamesilverspurs Nov 19 #16

1,000% CORRECT Cosmocat Nov 19 #19

I'd love to say that, from an Independent, the essay was a) fact based high compliment to Harris, Walz and Democrats, ancianita Nov 19 #22

Electoral success Cirsium Nov 19 #24

Umm . . . Seriously? cer7711 Nov 19 #26

I've seen two numbers JustAnotherGen Nov 19 #34

Thank God dlk Nov 19 #27

Yup half the people suck Joinfortmill Nov 19 #30

Sorry, have to push back on this. biocube Nov 19 #36

My take on Henry203 Nov 20 #44

Democratic messaging is fine, people just aren't HEARING it....... Takket Nov 19 #37

THANK YOU, John Pavlovitz -- and Dennis Donovan. This is 100% accurate, imho. nt Hekate Nov 20 #39

K&R...nt Wounded Bear Nov 20 #46

John Pavlovitz is spot on! n/t iluvtennis Nov 20 #50

Thank you Blue_Tires Nov 20 #54

The vast, right-wing, oligarch propaganda system strikes again. Concentration of wealth and media is the root. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 20 #55

I agree 100%. Martin68 Nov 20 #56

I enjoy idiosyncratic messaging critiques. praxEs Nov 20 #57

It is the stupidity and political narcissism that we struggle more with. TheKentuckian Nov 20 #60

Perfectly stated. mdbl Nov 20 #61

Exactly mcar Nov 20 #67

If you think it's all racism and misogyny iemanja Nov 20 #69

What part of "voting for a Republican is to vote against your own interest" Justice matters. Nov 20 #76

They believe that because they are swayed by RW messaging iemanja Nov 20 #77

Absolutely. Well stated. What a majority of the nation has become. brush Nov 20 #78

For the Harris Walz campaign I would had made minor changes LiberalFighter Nov 20 #79