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soandso

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77. It's not the right
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:24 PM
Nov 18

It's the left who can't fathom the outcome, just as the Trumpers couldn't in 2020. Then there are people like Thom Hartman, who people give credibility, questioning the results.

There's nothing wrong with questioning but making assertions without proof is useless. What I looked up was easy. Claims about software with malicious code and Starlink counting votes are something else. I think the Starlink stuff was quickly debunked and explained how it was (barely) used but the software stuff requires experts. The Trump campaign made just about all the same assertions and ran into the same problems when it came to software because it's so hard to prove and requires access which they didn't have, though I think they tried. Ironically, some Democrats going down this road about fraud has sparked Republicans saying the millions of fewer votes for Harris over what Biden got, in 2020, proves their own claims that the 81 million contained a bunch of fraudulent votes (which they never proved, either).

Was just about to ask you in the other thread to make this an OP Sympthsical Nov 18 #1
I hope it adds a bit of clarity soandso Nov 18 #2
What does that even mean? Define %age difference, I don't know what you're talking about. bucolic_frolic Nov 18 #3
The percentage difference between soandso Nov 18 #5
It's the percentage of votes cast in the presidential race in excess of the votes cast in the Senate race onenote Nov 18 #7
And what this reveals soandso Nov 18 #25
Yep. There are lots of low information voters who simply choose not to vote in a race they probably don't know onenote Nov 18 #63
I'm good with that soandso Nov 18 #76
Better than someone going down the ballot and randomly picking names based on whose name they like more. MichMan Nov 19 #106
Thanks, but don't expect 2024 "election deniers" to accept facts. Silent Type Nov 18 #4
The scare quotes should be dropped. Igel Nov 18 #48
So you mean the spoon guy is full of crap? Who could have guessed? tritsofme Nov 18 #6
IIRC, he was claiming software was hacked soandso Nov 18 #8
He has made lots of baseless claims, I'll give you that. tritsofme Nov 18 #10
It's up to the people peddling this crap to show back up HereForTheParty Nov 18 #11
This guy? JanMichael Nov 18 #75
thank you for posting this. Takket Nov 18 #9
My pleasure soandso Nov 18 #19
Not the same ERW Nov 18 #83
first post huh? funny all these low post count numbers trying to whip up DU into an election conspiracy frenzy Takket Nov 18 #93
Your analysis is just meaningless numbers... SnoopDog Nov 18 #12
If a bullet ballot SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #15
How about the House votes? SnoopDog Nov 18 #51
It doesn't matter SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #56
Well, the Senate race in PA was important too SnoopDog Nov 18 #68
You don't seem to understand what a "bullet ballot" is. onenote Nov 18 #78
Right...bad guys would think to themselves... SnoopDog Nov 18 #80
So why didn't they steal the Senate races in Arizona and Wisconsin too? tritsofme Nov 18 #86
The guy pushing the conspiracy theory that the race was stolen is using that definition EdmondDantes_ Nov 18 #87
Spoonamore provided the definition: onenote Nov 18 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author Truth_Serum Nov 19 #111
The actual calculations for NC do not show a 303,039 vote difference. onenote Nov 19 #112
You're right Truth_Serum Nov 19 #113
By definition, a so called "bullet ballot" does not include... reACTIONary Nov 18 #79
See above post 80... SnoopDog Nov 18 #81
Your post 80 is exactly right, which means... reACTIONary Nov 18 #94
Concerning serious reflection and analysis.... reACTIONary Nov 18 #96
Thank you for the article! n/t Ms. Toad Nov 19 #103
Yeah, how about those soandso Nov 18 #61
lol, right...These are actual numbers, unlike the Spoon guy's make-believe numbers. tritsofme Nov 18 #16
lol soandso Nov 18 #21
Are you a mathematician? An election specialist? Statistician? SnoopDog Nov 18 #53
The numbers I posted are those posted by the states soandso Nov 18 #66
I'm not, but let me ask you this... do you think the DNC employs such people? Takket Nov 18 #84
I don't know.... Does the Democractic Party have any leadership? SnoopDog Nov 18 #90
Yeah, it's crazy that some swing states showed as much as 5% and 7% of "President Only" ballots.. Think. Again. Nov 18 #13
The numbers provided in the OP SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #14
Oddly enough... Think. Again. Nov 18 #26
But Spoonamore says it's 7% in Arizona SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #35
Lake is the only red Senate candidate on the ballot. Think. Again. Nov 18 #42
I'm not sure why you think that matters in any way? Not everyone votes a straight ticket. tritsofme Nov 18 #45
Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #47
maybe Kari Lake should be the one asking for a recount then LOL Takket Nov 18 #88
All this means is that a bunch of Trump voters also voted for Gallego. tritsofme Nov 18 #38
All that shows is that people split tickets soandso Nov 18 #41
And neither do you. Think. Again. Nov 18 #43
I never made any claim that necessitated access to ballots soandso Nov 18 #49
This just demonstrates split tickets Abnredleg Nov 18 #44
States prevent split ballots? Igel Nov 18 #50
lol...wow. There's no evidence to support the claim, but here's some guy who called into a radio show. tritsofme Nov 18 #18
Post removed Post removed Nov 18 #27
There is certainly a group of folks who are eager to be scammed tritsofme Nov 18 #29
Feel free to check my math in post # 26 Think. Again. Nov 18 #31
Your math in post #26 has nothing to do with the claim that there was an inordinate number of bullet ballots. onenote Nov 18 #85
But remember: " His number estimates aren't important" muriel_volestrangler Nov 18 #23
How about instead of relying on somebody else soandso Nov 18 #24
See post #26 Think. Again. Nov 18 #33
Actual numbers just aren't backing the claim. paleotn Nov 18 #65
And after viewing the interview again... Think. Again. Nov 18 #69
There's a dozen ways to slice and dice the data, but no smoking gun so far. paleotn Nov 18 #72
Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 - ConcernedCitizen1776 Nov 19 #110
How are we supposed to avoid the emotions of the election results if we can't claim the results are fraudulent? Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #17
It's this OP that is wrong, they used the numbers from both Dem and red ballots together. Think. Again. Nov 18 #32
And as it's been pointed out to you repeatedly Zeitghost Nov 19 #115
The bullet ballots are the reason we won so many close Gov. Senate and House races Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #20
Exactly right soandso Nov 18 #22
I'd say over 9% is a big excess of bullet ballots (see post # 26). Think. Again. Nov 18 #30
It would be SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #39
I saw your post and addressed it soandso Nov 18 #46
You do realize that our lack of the actual ballots... Think. Again. Nov 18 #52
You don't need to see the ballots SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #58
Explain what those numbers mean please? Think. Again. Nov 18 #60
Sure SickOfTheOnePct Nov 19 #116
Agreed Zeitghost Nov 19 #122
Absolutely! SickOfTheOnePct Nov 19 #123
What position? soandso Nov 18 #64
close races don't need huge numbers ERW Nov 18 #89
True enough soandso Nov 18 #97
Hi, you used numbers from both Dem and red ballots... Think. Again. Nov 18 #28
Show your work soandso Nov 18 #34
See post # 26 Think. Again. Nov 18 #36
No you didn't Zeitghost Nov 18 #100
Nope SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #37
Lake was the only red Senate candidate on the ballot. Think. Again. Nov 18 #40
So what? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #54
And many republicans didn't like her and voted for the democratic jimfields33 Nov 18 #55
And then how did the green Senate candidate end up with over 50k more than stein? Think. Again. Nov 18 #59
Many voters think the environment is priority jimfields33 Nov 18 #62
So you think some trump voters also voted for the green senate candidate? Think. Again. Nov 18 #70
People splitting tickets differently than you think they should have is not evidence of fraud. tritsofme Nov 18 #71
Actually, I may be heading that way... Think. Again. Nov 18 #74
No. jimfields33 Nov 18 #92
Because there will have been people who voted Trump for president, and Quintana (Green) for senator muriel_volestrangler Nov 19 #104
I don't think that's the claim at all. Igel Nov 18 #57
So (please correct me if I'm wrong)... Think. Again. Nov 18 #67
Yes wanderer54 Nov 19 #105
Ding Ding Ding AZSkiffyGeek Nov 19 #108
Good job Cirsium Nov 18 #73
It's not the right soandso Nov 18 #77
yes, understood Cirsium Nov 18 #82
I don't know why they would would soandso Nov 18 #95
Well, that is depressing Cirsium Nov 19 #101
What's depressing? soandso Nov 19 #102
What is depressing? Cirsium Nov 19 #114
Au contraire soandso Nov 19 #118
Well, it took a while Cirsium Nov 19 #119
Paper ballot judge, here Maeve Nov 18 #98
Jeez soandso Nov 18 #99
"You only have to vote on what you want to vote on, just don't vote for more than one when it says only one" Maeve Nov 19 #107
At least he looked it up. soandso Nov 19 #117
I totally see California being 3% Sympthsical Nov 19 #109
Bookmarked, thanks for doing the work. scipan Nov 19 #120
YW soandso Nov 19 #121
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