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SnoopDog

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12. Your analysis is just meaningless numbers...

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:17 PM

Nov 18

Choosing presidential votes vs senate votes and using the percentage difference is meaningless.

Providing meaningless data like this appears to be nothing ore than a diversion from the truth.

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The so-called "bullet ballots" and too many voting for president only [View all] soandso Nov 18 OP

Was just about to ask you in the other thread to make this an OP Sympthsical Nov 18 #1

I hope it adds a bit of clarity soandso Nov 18 #2

What does that even mean? Define %age difference, I don't know what you're talking about. bucolic_frolic Nov 18 #3

The percentage difference between soandso Nov 18 #5

It's the percentage of votes cast in the presidential race in excess of the votes cast in the Senate race onenote Nov 18 #7

And what this reveals soandso Nov 18 #25

Yep. There are lots of low information voters who simply choose not to vote in a race they probably don't know onenote Nov 18 #63

I'm good with that soandso Nov 18 #76

Better than someone going down the ballot and randomly picking names based on whose name they like more. MichMan Nov 19 #106

Thanks, but don't expect 2024 "election deniers" to accept facts. Silent Type Nov 18 #4

The scare quotes should be dropped. Igel Nov 18 #48

So you mean the spoon guy is full of crap? Who could have guessed? tritsofme Nov 18 #6

IIRC, he was claiming software was hacked soandso Nov 18 #8

He has made lots of baseless claims, I'll give you that. tritsofme Nov 18 #10

It's up to the people peddling this crap to show back up HereForTheParty Nov 18 #11

This guy? JanMichael Nov 18 #75

thank you for posting this. Takket Nov 18 #9

My pleasure soandso Nov 18 #19

Not the same ERW Nov 18 #83

first post huh? funny all these low post count numbers trying to whip up DU into an election conspiracy frenzy Takket Nov 18 #93

Your analysis is just meaningless numbers... SnoopDog Nov 18 #12

If a bullet ballot SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #15

How about the House votes? SnoopDog Nov 18 #51

It doesn't matter SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #56

Well, the Senate race in PA was important too SnoopDog Nov 18 #68

You don't seem to understand what a "bullet ballot" is. onenote Nov 18 #78

Right...bad guys would think to themselves... SnoopDog Nov 18 #80

So why didn't they steal the Senate races in Arizona and Wisconsin too? tritsofme Nov 18 #86

The guy pushing the conspiracy theory that the race was stolen is using that definition EdmondDantes_ Nov 18 #87

Spoonamore provided the definition: onenote Nov 18 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Truth_Serum Nov 19 #111

The actual calculations for NC do not show a 303,039 vote difference. onenote Nov 19 #112

You're right Truth_Serum Nov 19 #113

By definition, a so called "bullet ballot" does not include... reACTIONary Nov 18 #79

See above post 80... SnoopDog Nov 18 #81

Your post 80 is exactly right, which means... reACTIONary Nov 18 #94

Concerning serious reflection and analysis.... reACTIONary Nov 18 #96

Thank you for the article! n/t Ms. Toad Nov 19 #103

Yeah, how about those soandso Nov 18 #61

lol, right...These are actual numbers, unlike the Spoon guy's make-believe numbers. tritsofme Nov 18 #16

lol soandso Nov 18 #21

Are you a mathematician? An election specialist? Statistician? SnoopDog Nov 18 #53

The numbers I posted are those posted by the states soandso Nov 18 #66

I'm not, but let me ask you this... do you think the DNC employs such people? Takket Nov 18 #84

I don't know.... Does the Democractic Party have any leadership? SnoopDog Nov 18 #90

Yeah, it's crazy that some swing states showed as much as 5% and 7% of "President Only" ballots.. Think. Again. Nov 18 #13

The numbers provided in the OP SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #14

Oddly enough... Think. Again. Nov 18 #26

But Spoonamore says it's 7% in Arizona SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #35

Lake is the only red Senate candidate on the ballot. Think. Again. Nov 18 #42

I'm not sure why you think that matters in any way? Not everyone votes a straight ticket. tritsofme Nov 18 #45

Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #47

maybe Kari Lake should be the one asking for a recount then LOL Takket Nov 18 #88

All this means is that a bunch of Trump voters also voted for Gallego. tritsofme Nov 18 #38

All that shows is that people split tickets soandso Nov 18 #41

And neither do you. Think. Again. Nov 18 #43

I never made any claim that necessitated access to ballots soandso Nov 18 #49

This just demonstrates split tickets Abnredleg Nov 18 #44

States prevent split ballots? Igel Nov 18 #50

lol...wow. There's no evidence to support the claim, but here's some guy who called into a radio show. tritsofme Nov 18 #18

Post removed Post removed Nov 18 #27

There is certainly a group of folks who are eager to be scammed tritsofme Nov 18 #29

Feel free to check my math in post # 26 Think. Again. Nov 18 #31

Your math in post #26 has nothing to do with the claim that there was an inordinate number of bullet ballots. onenote Nov 18 #85

But remember: " His number estimates aren't important" muriel_volestrangler Nov 18 #23

How about instead of relying on somebody else soandso Nov 18 #24

See post #26 Think. Again. Nov 18 #33

Actual numbers just aren't backing the claim. paleotn Nov 18 #65

And after viewing the interview again... Think. Again. Nov 18 #69

There's a dozen ways to slice and dice the data, but no smoking gun so far. paleotn Nov 18 #72

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 - ConcernedCitizen1776 Nov 19 #110

How are we supposed to avoid the emotions of the election results if we can't claim the results are fraudulent? Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #17

It's this OP that is wrong, they used the numbers from both Dem and red ballots together. Think. Again. Nov 18 #32

And as it's been pointed out to you repeatedly Zeitghost Nov 19 #115

The bullet ballots are the reason we won so many close Gov. Senate and House races Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #20

Exactly right soandso Nov 18 #22

I'd say over 9% is a big excess of bullet ballots (see post # 26). Think. Again. Nov 18 #30

It would be SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #39

I saw your post and addressed it soandso Nov 18 #46

You do realize that our lack of the actual ballots... Think. Again. Nov 18 #52

You don't need to see the ballots SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #58

Explain what those numbers mean please? Think. Again. Nov 18 #60

Sure SickOfTheOnePct Nov 19 #116

Agreed Zeitghost Nov 19 #122

Absolutely! SickOfTheOnePct Nov 19 #123

What position? soandso Nov 18 #64

close races don't need huge numbers ERW Nov 18 #89

True enough soandso Nov 18 #97

Hi, you used numbers from both Dem and red ballots... Think. Again. Nov 18 #28

Show your work soandso Nov 18 #34

See post # 26 Think. Again. Nov 18 #36

No you didn't Zeitghost Nov 18 #100

Nope SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #37

Lake was the only red Senate candidate on the ballot. Think. Again. Nov 18 #40

So what? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #54

And many republicans didn't like her and voted for the democratic jimfields33 Nov 18 #55

And then how did the green Senate candidate end up with over 50k more than stein? Think. Again. Nov 18 #59

Many voters think the environment is priority jimfields33 Nov 18 #62

So you think some trump voters also voted for the green senate candidate? Think. Again. Nov 18 #70

People splitting tickets differently than you think they should have is not evidence of fraud. tritsofme Nov 18 #71

Actually, I may be heading that way... Think. Again. Nov 18 #74

No. jimfields33 Nov 18 #92

Because there will have been people who voted Trump for president, and Quintana (Green) for senator muriel_volestrangler Nov 19 #104

I don't think that's the claim at all. Igel Nov 18 #57

So (please correct me if I'm wrong)... Think. Again. Nov 18 #67

Yes wanderer54 Nov 19 #105

Ding Ding Ding AZSkiffyGeek Nov 19 #108

Good job Cirsium Nov 18 #73

It's not the right soandso Nov 18 #77

yes, understood Cirsium Nov 18 #82

I don't know why they would would soandso Nov 18 #95

Well, that is depressing Cirsium Nov 19 #101

What's depressing? soandso Nov 19 #102

What is depressing? Cirsium Nov 19 #114

Au contraire soandso Nov 19 #118

Well, it took a while Cirsium Nov 19 #119

Paper ballot judge, here Maeve Nov 18 #98

Jeez soandso Nov 18 #99

"You only have to vote on what you want to vote on, just don't vote for more than one when it says only one" Maeve Nov 19 #107

At least he looked it up. soandso Nov 19 #117

I totally see California being 3% Sympthsical Nov 19 #109

Bookmarked, thanks for doing the work. scipan Nov 19 #120

YW soandso Nov 19 #121