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Kashkakat v.2.0

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50. Agree! Well there is the whole divide and conquer strategy the opposition has been

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Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:56 PM

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doing on us for some time now, but I have to say it's the ones supposedly on our side who have bought into this that are particularly irksome. In the days after election I had to turn off progressive talk because so much of it was beating ourselves up about our supposed lack of understanding of the working class.... w hile totally oblivious to the fact that SO MANY OF US who vote blue come from working class or farmer folk, have family and roots in "red" areas but still vote blue or have moved to "blue" areas for jobs, education, arts/music/culture.... AND because WE LIKE DIVERSITY. .
Im sure Im not the only one posting here with only a tech school certificate and who'se never made more than $20 an hour in my life. I wish the people throwing the "elite" epithet around would hold up a mirror and look at their own selves and ask if maybe they are the ones who are "elitist" by not seeing us, the people who come from different class/educational level than they do.
And I have to wonder - did they not see any Harris/Walz ads, or see any speeches, debates, interviews????? Our candidate was fine, our message was fine. The problem was it could not be heard over the din of the other side's disinformation, chaos and escalating verbal abuse.

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Serious qestion: I feel like I'm being gaslit. Where does the perception of "Democratic elitism" come from? [View all] In It to Win It Nov 16 OP

if you support people I hate due to my religious beliefs you are elitist nt msongs Nov 16 #1

From Atlantic to Pacific Ocean, we won 4 states. jimfields33 Nov 16 #10

they know blue states subsidize red states Skittles Nov 16 #2

And now that 32 states are red. The blue states won't be jimfields33 Nov 16 #12

It was invisible. It was sold through churches and MAGA voting lists. bucolic_frolic Nov 16 #3

From the Republican elites that are running the propaganda firehose? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 16 #4

Completely agree. But why are left-leaning people who know better are also saying it? In It to Win It Nov 16 #9

Those that can't see, want to be blind. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 16 #19

Rooted in anti-intellectualism, imho. Duncan Grant Nov 16 #5

That's the best explanation I've seen/heard. Have also wondered about elitism when it's allegorical oracle Nov 16 #23

Or, to put it a little more crudely, soldierant Nov 17 #74

Interesting original meaning. electric_blue68 Nov 18 #131

Because they play the dumb card and we call them on it. boston bean Nov 16 #6

Elitist used to mean someone (rich) who lived a life so far Tadpole Raisin Nov 16 #7

I completely agree. Republicans now reject science, medicine, education. tulipsandroses Nov 18 #118

Started with Woodrow Wilson. And honestly, before the southern strategy got the parties to flip, haele Nov 16 #8

If you know who the speaker of the house is and what this position does you're in the top 20% of governmental knowledge uponit7771 Nov 16 #11

People smarter than Republicans are. travelingthrulife Nov 16 #13

It is bullshit, spread by some of the MSM talking iidiots. The most elitist is the sociopath, and his hench men. JohnSJ Nov 16 #14

I would agree. What confuses me is people who are on our side also saying it... In It to Win It Nov 16 #15

Are they really on "our" side? That statement is lie. The Democratic Party is NOT shouting "down" to anybody. It is a JohnSJ Nov 16 #20

people "on our side" - TBF Nov 16 #27

David Axelrod, Chris Murphy, a few here on DU post that Democrats do this In It to Win It Nov 16 #35

That is 2 well known people and one low count poster - TBF Nov 16 #37

Ok, I think we're on the same page. Just making sure I wasn't crazy. In It to Win It Nov 16 #41

I think that idea has been there for many years Meowmee Nov 16 #16

Yeah, I've been saying that too about the so-called liberal elite schools In It to Win It Nov 16 #17

The ivy league schools are more like legacy media -- simply have been around a long time. They allegorical oracle Nov 16 #25

They've not only been around a long time, TBF Nov 16 #38

Coastal elites, limousine liberals, celebrity endorsements MaryMagdaline Nov 16 #18

Half the country has less than $400. For an emergency questionseverything Nov 18 #109

They make good money and are highly skilled. MaryMagdaline Nov 18 #114

Elitism is the new term for... S/V Loner Nov 16 #21

DON'T OVERTHINK IT. JEWS! ANTI-SEMITISM. usonian Nov 16 #22

You're asking this question in the wrong space Sympthsical Nov 16 #24

So where is it you hang out when you're not here? Is that where you're recommending the OP go? Hekate Nov 16 #32

I read everywhere Sympthsical Nov 16 #39

It's A Line RobinA Nov 17 #68

I know two people who voted Trump and they give up when I try to talk politics with them. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 18 #130

If you were, like, supercool dpibel Nov 17 #86

As a 'coastal elite', Abolishinist Nov 18 #90

Forget it, Jake. It's DUtown. Abolishinist Nov 16 #40

But I have talked with people who leaned toward Trump. Regular ass everyday folks In It to Win It Nov 17 #55

I'll give you one major example that I've heard a lot of Sympthsical Nov 18 #119

You ARE being gaslit. That's the point. The message comes from republicans who Scrivener7 Nov 16 #26

This. nt TBF Nov 16 #28

It comes from MAGAGOP. About the time I slogged my way thru a graduate degree, I realized... Hekate Nov 16 #29

"Elites" is yet another euphemism... appmanga Nov 16 #30

Sounds about right. "Critical thinking" is a baaaad thing. Hekate Nov 16 #34

Good point. Get rid of the word "elite," and concentrate on the divide between... LAS14 Nov 17 #45

I'd agree except undereducated people intheflow Nov 17 #46

Why isn't it taught in K-12 public schools? MichMan Nov 17 #54

Mostly Because we teach to standardized tests. intheflow Nov 17 #61

Are you referring exclusively to red states? MichMan Nov 17 #62

No, it's been national form for some time. intheflow Nov 17 #63

But then, and this cannot be denied, you have a not insignificant number of educators, administrators, and/or curricula Seeking Serenity Nov 17 #82

A big problem also, tho, intheflow Nov 18 #113

Aww, thank you. Seeking Serenity Nov 18 #116

I totally agree. Education at every level must be the best that it can be. LAS14 Nov 17 #69

Hmmmm... respectfully... electric_blue68 Nov 18 #95

Never said they shouldn't be celebrated. intheflow Nov 18 #111

Biden has argued multiple times wryter2000 Nov 17 #85

Because with our current media, it's easier for them to call Ds elitist than Rs racist. W_HAMILTON Nov 16 #31

Think about the difference between GDP and income EdmondDantes_ Nov 16 #33

Student loans were never supposed to leave you staggering under debt that would make a loan-shark blush Hekate Nov 16 #36

I don't disagree, but then again I had 20,000 forgiven EdmondDantes_ Nov 17 #70

Are the goalposts being moved in this discussion? There's a *lot* to be said about lack of college funding... Hekate Nov 17 #72

Higher education used to be nearly free alarimer Nov 18 #125

It's just a variation of limousine liberal that was used out of the 1970s and 80s... Self Esteem Nov 16 #42

"I've seen very little "talking down to regular people" by Democratic politicians." LAS14 Nov 16 #43

Well, how about focusing on the present, and adding some historical background electric_blue68 Nov 18 #132

One example where the Rs have a point. The term Latinx was mostly pushed by Anglo progressives including kelly1mm Nov 16 #44

Literally nobody outside academe uses that term. yardwork Nov 17 #49

Not any more. Look at DU posts from 2021-2023. You can use the search function above. Is DU kelly1mm Nov 17 #56

I feel properly shamed and abashed. yardwork Nov 17 #57

Misinformation/disinformation needs to be called out. Plus words mean things like 'literally'. kelly1mm Nov 17 #58

You might want to tell Sen. Warren MichMan Nov 17 #60

It's nothing new. VP Agnew referred to 'An effete core of impudent snobs' Ping Tung Nov 17 #47

You are being gaslit and it comes from Republican propaganda. yardwork Nov 17 #48

Agree! Well there is the whole divide and conquer strategy the opposition has been Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 17 #50

Probably from Frank Luntz... kirby Nov 17 #51

At one point I wondered this too, however... ThePartyThatListens Nov 17 #52

Could you be more specific about (i quote you) electric_blue68 Nov 18 #96

It's still on right now, so turn to Morning Joe ThePartyThatListens Nov 18 #112

I'll see if I can find it bc I finally went to sleep electric_blue68 Nov 18 #133

MAGAts Sneederbunk Nov 17 #53

From republican talking points and their upmanship. republianmushroom Nov 17 #59

White males must have no identity maxrandb Nov 17 #64

Do you want an honest answer from someone who is in the bottom 80% and who has lived around them a lot? DSandra Nov 17 #65

That also applies to the Republican Party. The most powerful of them are the professional class... and so on. In It to Win It Nov 17 #67

Later in life I haven't had much money but I get a few special items from Trader's & Whole Foods electric_blue68 Nov 18 #97

I'm talking about the people who have power... DSandra Nov 19 #134

I understand that, and that applies to the Republican Party as well. In It to Win It Nov 19 #136

As a lifelong Democrat DemonGoddess Nov 18 #103

But much of the Democratic Party power is among the property owners, the people who are already affluent... DSandra Nov 19 #135

The media and Fox News... Blue_Tires Nov 17 #66

as the still-poor child of working class and poor people The Wandering Harper Nov 17 #71

What were these nauseating moments? dpibel Nov 17 #78

the 3 big ones The Wandering Harper Nov 17 #79

Thanks dpibel Nov 17 #83

The Convention had *plenty* of serious moments! And it's also a get together, nothing wrong with some glitz. electric_blue68 Nov 18 #93

when contrasted with the growing wealth disparity, The Wandering Harper Nov 18 #94

Well, as someone who became poor, after being middle class for about half her life, and was/is concerned about issues.. electric_blue68 Nov 18 #98

you said you're concerned about these things because you're a Democrat The Wandering Harper Nov 18 #99

Sorry to hear about your local Dems. Our Party can *always* use improvement... electric_blue68 Nov 18 #102

yep, born in '73 The Wandering Harper Nov 18 #104

Ah, good luck w that. And... electric_blue68 Nov 18 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author The Wandering Harper Nov 18 #106

thank you. My mother was about as terrrified on election night 1980 The Wandering Harper Nov 18 #107

third times the charm I hope The Wandering Harper Nov 18 #129

"Is there a part of Democratic politics that I'm missing? I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit." B.See Nov 17 #73

For 10 or 20 years I've been made uncomfortable when... LAS14 Nov 17 #75

Regarding ditch diggers soandso Nov 18 #88

I wish I were familiar with Mark Rowe. I'm only barely aware of Mark Cuban. LAS14 Nov 18 #120

And since when B.See Nov 18 #89

THIS ☝️ electric_blue68 Nov 18 #92

No way are policies the problem. It's the messaging that's the problem. nt LAS14 Nov 18 #121

Well that's a surprise, because I could've sworn you wrote B.See Nov 18 #123

Flesh that out for me if you can, because I think this is the very opposite of Joe Biden's policies and agenda In It to Win It Nov 18 #91

It's not the policies that are the problem when compared with the GOP. It's the messaging. nt LAS14 Nov 18 #122

Ask Adlai Stevenson. no_hypocrisy Nov 17 #76

Ever heard getting Democrats to agree on anything is like herding cats? Freethinker65 Nov 17 #77

Projection Charmin One Nov 17 #80

RobertReich, for one. elleng Nov 17 #81

I'll take George Bush SomedayKindaLove Nov 17 #84

I don't think you missed it Tweedy Nov 18 #87

from the race/religion elitists eShirl Nov 18 #100

It's because you are being gaslit DemonGoddess Nov 18 #101

I think it means... Tommy Carcetti Nov 18 #108

Democratic politicians generally aren't stupid FBaggins Nov 18 #110

Re the border issue In It to Win It Nov 18 #115

You are being gaslit - Elite is everything they don't like about democrats tulipsandroses Nov 18 #117

Many Dem politicians are incredibly rich alarimer Nov 18 #124

Because we have at least high normal IQ's Irish_Dem Nov 18 #126

Why Kamala are you not asking for a recount. When you know Musk and Trump were planing to steal the election. All they h rich7862 Nov 18 #127

Remember limousine liberals? wryter2000 Nov 18 #128