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Hekate

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72. Thank you Bigtree. I am about beside myself over this wretched thread....

Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:39 PM

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People have literally died for the rights now being stripped away, and some think those issues should be tossed back to “the local level” (wtf States Rights? ) so the Democratic Party can concentrate on “economics” ?

Speaking as a woman, if my mother had died while bleeding out during her first spectacular miscarriage, my brother and I would have been orphaned as toddlers, and what kind of economic impact would that have had on our blue collar lunch pail carrying father?
I’m gonna do this because it hurts less

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Democrats need to address the "Working Class" problem and get over the "Isms" [View all] Hellbound Hellhound Saturday OP

Yes, racism and sexism DID matter. If Kamala were a middle-aged Scrivener7 Saturday #1

So the race was lost as soon as Biden stepped down and she became the candidate? jalan48 Saturday #17

Biden is a straight, white man. paleotn Saturday #31

So we should begin to lie to them like Trump did? travelingthrulife Saturday #97

That's it. It's impossible to win against a rich white man who lies about everything, promises everything, viva la Saturday #101

This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Saturday #104

That's the message I got from it. yardwork Sunday #169

I'm not sure what we're supposed to do differently, either! o/ ShazzieB Sunday #186

Not hardly. Take credit where credit is due. There's a hell of a lot of credit we're due in that regard. paleotn Saturday #126

Well is capitalism Akakoji Saturday #133

Look at the numbers!!! It was race and gender!!! That is the WHOLE story!!! Scrivener7 Saturday #103

No, actually, we didn't twist ourselves into knots over it. paleotn Saturday #115

Then we made a mistake nominating VP Harris? And from here on only EITHER non-white OR kelly1mm Saturday #136

Yes. It is. And we have been beaten over the head twice now with that fact. Scrivener7 Saturday #141

Well that hits like a 2x4! Maybe (probably?) true though. I fear the first woman in the WH will be a R. nt kelly1mm Saturday #142

Oh, God. You might be right. And look at that field of possibilities. Gabbard, the Russian asset, Scrivener7 Saturday #145

Laura Trump, the next Senator from FL and (potential) future 1st woman President? She has the name ... nt kelly1mm Saturday #146

I'm nauseous. Scrivener7 Saturday #148

THIS!!!! n/t DemonGoddess Monday #193

I can imagine more qualified candidates in fact more qualified female candidates Jk23 Thursday #225

No. Racism and sexism among our own is what came back to bite us. Look at the numbers. Scrivener7 Thursday #228

Sexism maybe but the US has no problem electing a black president. NT Jk23 Thursday #233

America has no problem electing a black president who has enough charisma to stop a train. Scrivener7 Thursday #235

Totally agree with every word get the red out Thursday #230

Agreed "economic insecurity" is bs. intheflow Sunday #181

I don't disagree. ShazzieB Sunday #187

I do too. It's heartbreaking. Scrivener7 Sunday #190

Biden beat Trump. This time aging affected how he came across JI7 Saturday #125

By a damn landslide. Scrivener7 Sunday #182

We need a more populist message get the red out Thursday #229

No it didn't. Many know it but just don't want to accept it, because accepting it admits failure. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #33

Replying late, but just have to say I definitely agree! ShazzieB Sunday #188

I'm seeing a lot about messaging and I get that. A Bernie type of candidate may have wiped the floor with tRump yaesu Saturday #2

I get it. Some of our founders got it too. paleotn Saturday #42

Messaging means nothing if voters don't feel like the Democrats have done enough for them... DSandra Saturday #48

The republicans are all about isms Keepthesoulalive Saturday #3

Reps have ACKNOWLEDGED them in a way Dems didn't. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #7

They are eating the cats and dogs, Puerto Rico is a garbage island. Keepthesoulalive Saturday #35

It's almost like our messaging didn't reach the voters! Glad we agree! Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #39

No we don't agree Keepthesoulalive Saturday #53

Considering those states are some of the highest concentrations of Black Americans, I wonder what you mean. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #56

Look at the Demos JustAnotherGen Saturday #61

It's a very good question. If people think letting magats suffer after voting for Tadpole Raisin Saturday #65

"... why hasn't that happened in southern states?" Mariana Sunday #165

Gerrymandering and voter suppression Keepthesoulalive Saturday #78

Good luck with your procedure. As for the OP, we left-of-center libs/progressive Dems are at... brush Thursday #234

I seem to recall hearing many times kacekwl Saturday #62

Harris Had Plans OhioTim Saturday #114

Manipulate them to get votes, but they are good in being con artists... DSandra Saturday #49

It is easy to manipulate someone Keepthesoulalive Saturday #59

Yep, MAGA framing is as if PoC aren't mostly "working class" ... M$M repeats it ad nauseum uponit7771 Saturday #91

Thread is typical product of brainwashing krkaufman Saturday #123

I agree. Bernie has been saying this for awhile, but it's not a message favored by the wealth class. jalan48 Saturday #4

Agreed. "Identity" is a losing message, period. We're losing the AA and Latino vote to economic extremists. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #9

What African American vote? JustAnotherGen Saturday #15

92% of less than 10% of the American voting populace isn't enough. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #18

Exactly JustAnotherGen Saturday #25

I do agree with that. So how do we reach them? Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #29

That's on you JustAnotherGen Saturday #60

You can't have a party of just black woman and Rich over educated white people Jk23 Thursday #226

But what if we don't do the work JustAnotherGen Thursday #236

Messaging ? Your think republican kacekwl Saturday #79

I like how this guy JustAnotherGen Saturday #81

Didn't apparently try to convince his mom and grandma that they were voting for a racist transphobe either... AZSkiffyGeek Saturday #111

Yep krkaufman Saturday #124

What did he do for them? Keepthesoulalive Saturday #135

I'm genuinely confused by your message. yardwork Sunday #167

Here's a hint: Bettie Sunday #172

Wrong dead wrong... JT45242 Saturday #5

"Or their misinformed, uneducated PERCEPTION of the economy" soandso Saturday #21

Uneducated isn't wrong JustAnotherGen Saturday #67

But they still have the right to vote...so...they will go with the one who speaks like they do. Lucky Luciano Saturday #85

Perception is reality...marshall mcluhan JT45242 Saturday #153

As someone who is in the bottom 80%, people saying that the economy is great when its not for them... DSandra Saturday #51

The biggest economic gains were in the bottom half... JT45242 Sunday #164

Exactly Sunsky Saturday #75

"It's the stupid, stupid." krkaufman Saturday #130

I think the perception thing goes two ways Jk23 Thursday #227

tell me exactly how repukes are helping the working class Skittles Saturday #6

Trump doubled the standard deduction, increased the Child Tax Credit, and expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit Shermann Saturday #13

Exactly. Even if he's lying, he's telling people what they want to hear. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #14

Trump mishandled covid and crashed the fucking economy Skittles Saturday #19

nope. any other questions? Takket Saturday #34

He seems to have been given a pass on the pandemic. Shermann Saturday #46

HE RODE ON OBAMA'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS Skittles Saturday #54

I do blame Dems and the media ... krkaufman Saturday #132

Yes, doubled the standard deduction, but due to shifts in the tax brackets.... paleotn Saturday #55

You got the increased itemization threshold backwards Shermann Saturday #58

The tax brackets changed, eliminating most of that benefit of an increased standard deduction. paleotn Saturday #63

I do my own taxes and don't share your view. nt Shermann Saturday #64

I do mine and do share my view. paleotn Saturday #66

Ok I guess we're going there. Shermann Saturday #80

You're only getting part of the picture. You forgot about personal and dependent exemptions. paleotn Saturday #110

You smuggled two dependents into the equation Shermann Saturday #120

They're undocumented. Let it slide. paleotn Saturday #127

OK I reran the 2017 numbers from my original example Shermann Sunday #159

He fucked the State Income Tax States JustAnotherGen Saturday #77

Yes, families in high-tax states were the losers there. nt Shermann Saturday #92

You know how kacekwl Saturday #121

Actuality doesn't matter. Perception trumps reality, pardon the pun. paleotn Saturday #45

The price of eggs mattered. Pure b.s. and a cover story for stolen election. Just my thought. Botany Saturday #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #10

You seem to have bought into Republican SharonClark Saturday #11

The Democratic Candidates JustAnotherGen Saturday #12

We are absolutely natural survivors Dem4life1234 Wednesday #195

I'm not reading M$M media right now - JustAnotherGen Thursday #198

I don't blame you for feeling that way. yardwork Thursday #210

lmao tldr Nimble_Idea Saturday #16

So much advice, so many simple answers...nt Fiendish Thingy Saturday #20

You're right. The needed answers are incredibly simple. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #24

Then why are you upthread JustAnotherGen Saturday #87

Of course they might be simple answers to the wrong questions. Fiendish Thingy Saturday #107

Don't worry guys. Next time new messaging: "Free Brawndo for all. Brawndo has electrolytes! It's got what plants crave!" spudspud Saturday #22

Thank you JustAnotherGen Saturday #26

what about black working class voters who are reliably Democratic? bigtree Saturday #23

What about 'em? Their numbers are irrelevant and even if they weren't, Trump's eating into them. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #32

'Their numbers are irrelevant' bigtree Saturday #44

"Offensive" if you refuse to consider raw numbers and basic math. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #50

you didn't talk numbers bigtree Saturday #70

What he says about women also makes my skin crawl. What a load of magagop. Hekate Saturday #118

You didn't listen to the messaging. It was all about working class needs. travelingthrulife Saturday #86

"We're losing Blacks" This is false on its face, same number of blacks voted for Harris this time than last time ... uponit7771 Saturday #99

Fucking Kanye West puts on a stupid fucking MAGA hat and they claim blacks are moving toward fucking MAGA. SoFlaBro Sunday #158

92% of Black voters supported Biden, but only 86% backed Harris Shermann Sunday #161

That is false or misleading Biden did not get 92% of the Black vote He got 87% standingtall Sunday #177

THANK YOU!!! uponit7771 Sunday #184

Please quote your claim from the article, I could not find it after text search and reading it uponit7771 Sunday #183

It's such a bullshit lie Dem4life1234 Wednesday #196

Right, makes me think something ... non science... uponit7771 Wednesday #197

Thank you Bigtree. I am about beside myself over this wretched thread.... Hekate Saturday #72

This !!! Winger messaging permiating DU is crazy uponit7771 Saturday #98

Push back hard Hekate Saturday #116

right !! uponit7771 Saturday #96

Nothing you say makes any difference ibegurpard Saturday #27

I got your "faux elitism." Paladin Saturday #28

Sadly, I doubt that blue collar workers will get it until they've all lost their unions. PeaceWave Saturday #30

Most blue collar workers don't have unions. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #36

So, are you saying these workers would prefer to have no benefits? The GOP can arrange that. PeaceWave Saturday #37

Why don't you JustAnotherGen Saturday #89

Democrats should focus on economic issues and keep cultural issues at local level dalton99a Saturday #38

100% agreed. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #41

Enumerate which ones you mean. Women's reproductive rights and care? Racism? All that? Hekate Saturday #47

Abortions wasn't important to 70-80% of people; We focused on shit people didn't care about. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #52

THE HELL YOU SAY Hekate Saturday #73

Boom! JustAnotherGen Saturday #90

Thanks. I CAN'T BELIEVE I STILL HAVE TO PROTEST THIS SHIT Hekate Saturday #93

This person thinks JustAnotherGen Saturday #139

When these accursed forced-birthers moved away from "babies" and started redefining... Hekate Saturday #151

You don't think people care about abortion? BlueHurricane Saturday #106

"We"? lolol -- TBF Saturday #113

Jesus H. Christ. What is wrong with you? Scrivener7 Saturday #117

1 in 4 American women have had an abortion. Far more than 2%. sinkingfeeling Saturday #128

They'll use cultural issues no matter what the Dems do (2004 gay marriage). Duncan Grant Saturday #69

Leave civil rights and individual liberties to the states? EnergizedLib Sunday #185

"All of us need to better and to give up on our faux elitism." J_William_Ryan Saturday #40

How about "we" address the rank misogyny in this country? Hekate Saturday #43

So as of this post, I'm out. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #57

Good luck with your surgery! questionseverything Saturday #68

Best of luck w your surgery. Expect lots of pushback when you return. Hekate Saturday #95

When can we start addressing "class" issues? That's the fertile ground, imho. Duncan Grant Saturday #71

Last, sedateed, post before I go in. Agreeee. Hellbound Hellhound Saturday #74

YESSSS!!! Prairie Gates Saturday #83

Didn't W win running on a promise of a direct payment to citizens? JoseBalow Saturday #76

Democrats need to return to a full-throated critique of CAPITALISM Prairie Gates Saturday #82

A good middle-ground is to critique UNFETTERED CAPITALISM. nt Shermann Saturday #138

and how Predatory Capitalism caused inflation. Emile Sunday #163

Uh huh NoRethugFriends Saturday #84

It will be the working class that suffers most from Trump's rule liberalgunwilltravel Saturday #88

We also need better ways to get the messages delivered. hadEnuf Saturday #131

H1N5 is starting to mutate enough it might be able to jump to humans. haele Sunday #157

PoC are mostly "working class" too uponit7771 Saturday #94

Yeah, but you and me both know that's not what they mean when they say "working class." Iggo Saturday #100

True, its just we allow "they" to define the conversation way too much uponit7771 Saturday #112

I would have bet that surgery... appmanga Saturday #102

Ah another voice Bettie Saturday #105

I absolutely believe the "isms" and "ics" matter. slightlv Saturday #108

Which "Working Class"? The Unions went in large numbers to Harris. haele Saturday #109

What a load of absolute right wing, corporate media BS SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #119

Just a reprehensible thread krkaufman Saturday #122

Thank you. Scrivener7 Saturday #147

She won the working class of all groups other than white people JI7 Saturday #129

Thank you. Yavin4 Saturday #149

The problem is propaganda Diraven Saturday #134

Are you kidding me Figarosmom Saturday #137

Trump's tariffs will likely create an immediate spike in inflation Shermann Saturday #140

+1000 nt WarGamer Saturday #143

it's the republicans who keep "isms" going. They are the ones who are DESPERATE ecstatic Saturday #144

It's remarkable ... krkaufman Saturday #152

I hope your arm surgery is fully successful. CoopersDad Saturday #150

I can walk and chew gum at the same time! Eko Saturday #154

FFS how many more times are we going to have this thread? Blue_Tires Sunday #155

They don't WANT to believe it JustAnotherGen 21 hrs ago #239

I agree, at least to a degree mvd Sunday #156

We have to stop the propaganda they are consuming before ANYTHING travelingthrulife Sunday #175

You smuggled in a falsehood Shermann Sunday #160

We need to improve our messaging. Emile Sunday #162

Here.we go again. With obsessive focus on economic JCMach1 Sunday #166

We need to fix our messaging pinkstarburst Sunday #168

The problem is the more stupidi of white folks get the "economic anxiety" something awful anytime a Republican isn't TheKentuckian Sunday #170

The demand for liberal purity got us into this mess mainer Sunday #171

This is true. Fish700 Sunday #191

'"Racism!" "Sexism!" "Transphobic!" but at the end of the day none of that mattered' marmar Sunday #173

No isms, so no classism. Solly Mack Sunday #174

"let's start winning election and speak to the people crying out for help." WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #176

This sums up the U.S. problem. yardwork Thursday #200

Misinformation is what has the maga voters locked in oldmanlynn Sunday #178

No. intheflow Sunday #179

Can we stop this myth about the wonderful working class? kansasobama Sunday #180

If the Dems do that, they will lose me for good Blasphemer Sunday #189

Democrats need to address that there's a massive propaganda problem in this country. Initech Monday #192

I hate to admit it RJ_MacReady Monday #194

You obviously saw a different election than I did karynnj Thursday #199

She never ran an ad PennRalphie Thursday #207

I live in Vermont, where there were very few ads period karynnj Thursday #223

I live in western PA PennRalphie Thursday #224

But it's simply isn't true Jk23 Thursday #232

Some people also find the identity politics stuff unbearable iemanja Thursday #201

I think that's exactly wrong. yardwork Thursday #202

No, I don't believe that iemanja Thursday #203

I think you're letting the Republicans gaslight you. yardwork Thursday #212

I know full well she didn't, and I said as much at the time iemanja Thursday #214

One thing I would request of the drop the isms crowd JustAnotherGen Thursday #204

I see your point iemanja Thursday #205

do you have a credible source for this backlash? I'm finding a lot of claims but no credible sources... Thx in advance uponit7771 Thursday #206

I've read lots of posts on social media iemanja Thursday #208

That's anecdote not data from credible source like Gallop showing how "isms" affected voting patterns. What we do have uponit7771 Thursday #216

One example iemanja Thursday #209

Anecdote... Just need a credible source relative to the claim... Tia uponit7771 Thursday #215

What do you mean by a credible source? iemanja Thursday #217

We all tend to be products of our environment, information we're surrounded with might not be true uponit7771 Thursday #218

I see your point iemanja Thursday #219

This adds do move voters just didn't change votes, this was a turn out election for MAGA too uponit7771 Thursday #222

It's hard to get the message out with the media we have nini Thursday #211

I would add Twitter to that too JustAnotherGen Thursday #213

Absolutely! nini Yesterday #237

2024 was about preserving the wealthy white anglo male christian patriarchy GoreWon2000 Thursday #220

I can't believe this bullshit generated so much discussion. Scrivener7 Thursday #221

The presidential campaign did insist that the economy was great. That was a giant mistake. Voltaire2 Thursday #231

Funny how Kamala's campaign was all about the business of the people and helping them. Jit423 Yesterday #238