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Abnredleg

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243. I like transparency but hate conspiracies

Reply to questionseverything (Reply #235)

Fri Nov 15, 2024, 04:09 PM

Nov 15

And what is being pushed is a conspiracy to cast doubt on our election systems. All states have extensive security in place to protect again fraud, and all states take post election steps to ensure the vote was fair. Audits are being conducted - what more do you want? They are already checking for fraud so why circumvent the existing systems that have been shown to be effective?

I agree with Harris, the Dem SOS’s, and the DOJ - the election was open and fair. Even the letter writers in the OP offer no proof of fraud.

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Letter from cybersecurity experts about hand counting and 2024 election anomalies [View all] Loupe Garoue Nov 14 OP

Trust these people Catbird Nov 14 #1

K&R Think. Again. Nov 14 #8

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Here is the text of the letter to VP Harris... Think. Again. Nov 14 #2

Thanks Loupe Garoue Nov 14 #3

Thank YOU! This is important stuff... Think. Again. Nov 14 #4

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Every single state, heck every single precinct Tweedy Nov 14 #26

As these security experts explain... Think. Again. Nov 14 #30

In a close election I generally do. Tweedy Nov 14 #93

Oh yes, we must stay strong on all the other fronts... Think. Again. Nov 14 #94

There will be audits everywhere Tweedy Nov 14 #95

Oh, perhaps you didn't read the letter? Think. Again. Nov 14 #96

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Raises hand... DiamondShark Nov 15 #97

Wait, you had to make a FOIA request to see audit results??? Think. Again. Nov 15 #111

I see you didn't read any other posts I made. DiamondShark Nov 15 #114

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You can FOIA the ballots. DiamondShark Nov 15 #236

Yes you can but it would be too late to change anything questionseverything Nov 15 #238

Not my problem. DiamondShark Nov 15 #240

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Did you read the letter? Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #58

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Chin music what does that mean? AkFemDem Nov 15 #156

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Oh. why don't you just hit recommend like everyone else? AkFemDem Nov 15 #161

Originality is a beautiful thing, these days. defacto7 Nov 15 #184

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You can hit "recommend" and your hit will- AkFemDem Nov 15 #162

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No, I'm talking about the algorithmic push of a thread- AkFemDem Nov 15 #165

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Okay so you do value the "recs" AkFemDem Nov 15 #171

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Chin Music is doing it the way it's always been done and defacto7 Nov 15 #182

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You do not know that. travelingthrulife Nov 15 #194

Huh? Tweedy Nov 15 #232

Thanks Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #54

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Truth will out malaise Nov 15 #109

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There is no point saving your ammunition for the bigger battles soon coming. magicarpet Nov 15 #221

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K&R defacto7 Nov 15 #183

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"We have no evidence that the outcomes of the elections in those states were actually compromised" speak easy Nov 14 #5

Yes, these security experts are requesting... Think. Again. Nov 14 #7

Those states are doing audits Abnredleg Nov 14 #9

One of the things they are pointing out dickthegrouch Nov 14 #11

Dems hold SOS office in 6 of 7 swing states Abnredleg Nov 14 #12

It goes further than just SOS's waving a magic wand to fix things... Think. Again. Nov 14 #15

Does no one trust Harris? AkFemDem Nov 15 #159

Yes, these security experts address the audits in the letter.. Think. Again. Nov 14 #13

Point being that the facts will come out Abnredleg Nov 14 #17

I disagree, I think audits and recounts should be done... Think. Again. Nov 14 #19

They ARE doing vigorous verification Abnredleg Nov 14 #21

No, they are possibly doing belated audits... Think. Again. Nov 14 #22

Any discrepancies would be remedied Abnredleg Nov 14 #24

Pardon my American, but,... Think. Again. Nov 14 #25

Get used to the frustration Abnredleg Nov 14 #37

I think we are talking about 2 completely different subjects... Think. Again. Nov 14 #38

And why would we doubt the numbers? Abnredleg Nov 14 #39

I doubt the numbers for a few reasons... Think. Again. Nov 14 #41

This is the exact same thing that happened in 2020 Abnredleg Nov 14 #42

Hang on... Think. Again. Nov 14 #46

I was referring to the "concerns" you have Abnredleg Nov 14 #49

No, no, you said you answered all my questions... Think. Again. Nov 14 #50

I just clarified what I said Abnredleg Nov 14 #51

But you said you answered all my questions, where are the audit and recount results... Think. Again. Nov 14 #55

You're being deliberately obtuse Abnredleg Nov 14 #62

I have been painstakingly clear that I am only calling for verification of the first-count results... Think. Again. Nov 14 #67

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Swing state voter here. DiamondShark Nov 15 #100

What county is delaying the audit? DiamondShark Nov 15 #98

Amen to that ! Tweedy Nov 15 #233

Most of Trump's complaints about voter fraud Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #78

What breaches are you referring to? Abnredleg Nov 14 #79

The security breaches Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #83

I was there in 2016... DiamondShark Nov 15 #102

Read the article , these breaches happened this year questionseverything Nov 15 #237

I don't need to "read the articles." DiamondShark Nov 15 #239

Are you implying that my former coworkers are not doing their jobs? DiamondShark Nov 15 #242

I don't know who or what you might be but no techie questionseverything Nov 15 #244

As I have stated up thread. re-read the posts. DiamondShark Nov 15 #245

Nah, not the same as MAGAt Dem4life1234 Nov 14 #88

you mean, run out the clock? stillcool Nov 14 #33

They dance around the subject... DiamondShark Nov 15 #103

Absolutely the case. Bluetus Nov 15 #230

The majority of the country votes with a paper trail Abnredleg Nov 15 #231

A paper trail that you don't think any regular citizen should get to inspect questionseverything Nov 15 #251

Both parties observe the count and audits Abnredleg Nov 15 #254

No matter what you say, a thousand people could watch a machine spit out a results tape questionseverything Nov 15 #256

Ever wonder why the campaign didn't question the outcome? Abnredleg Nov 15 #258

You don't acknowledge that the system is non transparent or that American citizens have a right to oversee the questionseverything Nov 16 #269

Cool site! LeftInTX Nov 16 #277

when law enforcement investigates ANY POSSIBLE crime, speak easy Nov 14 #28

The difference being, we the American people have a right to oversee our elections questionseverything Nov 14 #32

They usually need some evidence that a crime was in fact committed before investigating Kaleva Nov 15 #177

Would exit polling work for you?.. Think. Again. Nov 15 #178

No Kaleva Nov 15 #189

okay, well... Think. Again. Nov 15 #192

I'll call the police when I have actually been mugged. Kaleva Nov 15 #196

oh no no no no no no.... Think. Again. Nov 15 #197

Where did I say that I needed ALL the evidence Kaleva Nov 15 #198

on a side note... Think. Again. Nov 15 #199

So what has the Harris campaign told you? Kaleva Nov 16 #268

Oh, I think you misunderstand... Think. Again. Nov 16 #271

You are still making these badly flawed analogies Zeitghost Nov 15 #203

oh! You didn't read the OP, did you?!? Think. Again. Nov 15 #205

We've been over this Zeitghost Nov 15 #206

And I'll say it once again... Think. Again. Nov 15 #217

A targeted hand count Loupe Garoue Nov 14 #10

There were security breaches Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #64

Well, when you investigate concerns THAT''S when you usually uncover whatever evidence there is!! ElementaryPenguin Nov 14 #92

There's this concept called probable cause Abnredleg Nov 15 #202

Why do you have such a problem with transparency in our elections? questionseverything Nov 15 #235

I like transparency but hate conspiracies Abnredleg Nov 15 #243

If American citizens are not allowed to see the actual counting of votes, questionseverything Nov 15 #246

Nonbinding does not mean ignore Abnredleg Nov 15 #247

When kerry "lost" to bush the congressional black caucus questionseverything Nov 15 #250

Unhappiness is not probable cause Abnredleg Nov 15 #252

Sniff sniff - pee ewww G.O.P. BoRaGard Nov 14 #6

To my way of thinking, AFTER witnessing what TFG WILL DO in our countrys future bluestarone Nov 14 #14

I agree, I think that rigorous result verification.. Think. Again. Nov 14 #16

Kamala lost the election fair & square. Just as Trump did in 2020. Enough said. n/t Jacson6 Nov 14 #18

Are you a cybersecurity expert? Or have access to all of the voter data? lees1975 Nov 14 #27

Raises hand, Pick me, Pick me! DiamondShark Nov 15 #104

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But..but..but..that's a conspiracy asm128 Nov 14 #20

I agree, there's a reason why the concept of recounts is a thing. Think. Again. Nov 14 #23

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Ha! Yes... Think. Again. Nov 15 #122

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THAT is the big question, although I suspect I know the answer..... Think. Again. Nov 15 #125

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I'd love to see a recount of some areas if possible Ilikepurple Nov 14 #29

Well said. Think. Again. Nov 14 #31

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Doesn't seem too promising Zeitghost Nov 14 #34

Correct... Think. Again. Nov 14 #43

You're putting the cart before the horse Zeitghost Nov 14 #53

Yes, there is "suspicion" of crimes being committed... Think. Again. Nov 14 #57

No, there is wild speculation Zeitghost Nov 14 #61

In response to your "wild speculation" claim, I guess it's okay to just post this again... Think. Again. Nov 14 #66

Right, they clearly state: Zeitghost Nov 14 #68

Right, they also clearly state at the very beginning of their letter... Think. Again. Nov 14 #70

Which is why I stated Zeitghost Nov 14 #73

But I have not made any claims at all.... Think. Again. Nov 14 #74

Yes you have Zeitghost Nov 14 #77

That's called an "analogy", spelled differently than "claim". Think. Again. Nov 14 #82

An analogy Zeitghost Nov 14 #85

The discussion was obviously about actively looking for evidence. Think. Again. Nov 14 #90

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I'm happy with that, why aren't you? NJCher Nov 14 #84

It seems to me Zeitghost Nov 14 #87

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And those with certainty that there wasn't fraud are... Think. Again. Nov 15 #124

Yep tintinvotes Nov 15 #173

These are cybersecurity experts, not the My Pillow guy. Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #174

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Did those Security Professionals compromise our election? DiamondShark Nov 15 #105

They sent the letter to Harris soandso Nov 15 #110

Elias didn't seem to think bomb scares all over Democratic strongholds were a huge problem questionseverything Nov 15 #255

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Thank you! Think. Again. Nov 15 #153

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Yep, just like real life. Think. Again. Nov 15 #155

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I agree... Think. Again. Nov 15 #166

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yup. Think. Again. Nov 15 #169

audit Autisminsight Nov 14 #35

Where's the probable cause? Abnredleg Nov 14 #36

Correction... Think. Again. Nov 14 #44

You're trying too hard Abnredleg Nov 14 #45

(psssttt... some of the first-counts aren't even done yet and audits also take a little time) Think. Again. Nov 14 #48

And audit ANY/ALL ballots that ever got near Musk's Starlink system. Attilatheblond Nov 14 #52

These folks are serious. Catbird Nov 14 #40

There is a downside to extralegal steps Abnredleg Nov 14 #47

Usually that might be true Loupe Garoue Nov 14 #56

Why would improvements have to wait until AFTER a questionable election? Think. Again. Nov 14 #60

You're begging the question Abnredleg Nov 14 #65

Nonsense. Think. Again. Nov 14 #69

Some proof would be nice Abnredleg Nov 14 #71

I agree, let's go straight to recounts and get whatever proof there may be. Think. Again. Nov 14 #72

How about establishing the need for extralegal steps? Abnredleg Nov 14 #76

Oh, okay, I guess you missed this part of the thread, here ya go... Think. Again. Nov 14 #80

That letter is assumption piled on assumption Abnredleg Nov 14 #86

That letter is the entire premise of this entire thread. Think. Again. Nov 14 #91

We did in 2016. DiamondShark Nov 15 #108

Not extralegal Catbird Nov 14 #75

A conspiracy? LiberaBlueDem Nov 14 #59

I agree, I don't think we should just "look the other way" either. Think. Again. Nov 14 #63

Do you not think that the Democratic party and Harris campaign soandso Nov 15 #112

I'm sure they would.... Think. Again. Nov 15 #121

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I don't think it should effect your opinion soandso Nov 15 #263

I don't see why I appear "desperate" to you when all I'm doing is replying to other posters. Think. Again. Nov 15 #265

Okay, then my bad soandso Nov 15 #266

I believe they seriously don't want the first-count challenged... Think. Again. Nov 16 #270

I think some are afraid of looking or being "conspiratorial" soandso Nov 16 #272

And all I'm saying is... Think. Again. Nov 16 #273

I understand soandso Nov 16 #274

And my position throughout this entire thread is that... Think. Again. Nov 16 #275

Are you saying you want a full, nationwide, recount? soandso Nov 16 #278

That should be standard practice with anything as important as public office elections... Think. Again. Nov 16 #279

I had to look up bullet ballot soandso Nov 16 #280

I am referring to these "bullet ballots"... Think. Again. Nov 16 #281

Okay, I looked at some of that and he's speculating soandso Nov 16 #282

Yes, just as when any prosecutor brings any case to court.... Think. Again. Nov 16 #283

Belief isn't enough soandso Nov 16 #284

Ye, that evidence is "discovered" through investigations, like the recounts that are being called for. Think. Again. Nov 16 #285

Yeah... About that... I'm feeling left out, ya know. DiamondShark Nov 15 #267

I hope so. Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #185

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Delete SoCalDavidS Nov 14 #81

The party who gave us FAKE ELECTORS cheat, no way! Emile Nov 14 #89

Yep Meowmee Nov 15 #99

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VP Harris, Listen and Act. We Beg You!!! pat_k Nov 15 #106

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pretty much what I said lapfog_1 Nov 15 #107

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It is ABSOLUTELY essential that the Harris/Walz campaign audit votes, but the software needs to be forensically BComplex Nov 15 #150

A simple hand count Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #186

The number of socks I have to wash today is insurmountable. rzemanfl Nov 15 #157

have you had to re-wash? stillcool Nov 15 #180

Escapees bother me more, and they never escape in pairs. rzemanfl Nov 15 #193

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You are talking to me, right? Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #187

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How do I repost this? Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #195

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How would a recount show if the systems were hacked or exploited? ecstatic Nov 15 #176

a recount of the ballots, and whatever the term is stillcool Nov 15 #179

Audits are already required by current election laws... Think. Again. Nov 15 #188

There is nothing wrong with an audit recount Jarqui Nov 15 #181

Audits are part of the certification process Abnredleg Nov 15 #200

"Pay No Attention To The Man Behind The Curtain!" Think. Again. Nov 15 #201

Finally, you said something accurate Abnredleg Nov 15 #207

Maybe we should not even actually count the votes... Think. Again. Nov 15 #218

They did count the votes Abnredleg Nov 15 #220

I see, YOUR experience tells you the people who signed... Think. Again. Nov 15 #223

Not to mention the rest of the election security community Abnredleg Nov 15 #224

Oh, and you can speak for the entire election security community... Think. Again. Nov 15 #225

Your diversion tactics aren't working Abnredleg Nov 15 #227

Mmm, cool story. Think. Again. Nov 15 #228

I accept your concession Abnredleg Nov 15 #229

Hmm, yeah, how 'bout that. Think. Again. Nov 15 #257

One concession is enough Abnredleg Nov 15 #259

they're sure as hell not going to tell you NJCher Nov 15 #261

Campaigns and parties leak like sieves Abnredleg Nov 15 #262

show me NJCher Nov 15 #264

My experience as well, but you fail to address any statements I make. DiamondShark Nov 15 #248

How do we know that the Harris campaign hasn't picked up things with their own data? Jarqui Nov 15 #222

Greg Palast thinks that provisional ballots were the key, with over 2 million tossed. TheRickles Nov 15 #204

It's a bit late for this. Grins Nov 15 #208

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How many votes were cast? How many were rejected? Kid Berwyn Nov 15 #211

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for everyone on this thread lapfog_1 Nov 15 #212

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Exactly why a hand count is the only way to verify vote totals Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #219

98% of votes were cast by paper ballot. DiamondShark Nov 15 #249

Here is an LA Times article from last March about Trump's team accessing voting machines Babajida Nov 15 #241

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Go for it Babajida Nov 15 #260

K&R n/t Alice Kramden Nov 16 #276

Stephen Spoonamore was interviewed by Thom Hartmann yesterday Loupe Garoue Nov 19 #286