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jaxexpat

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58. What, then, does the term "commander in chief" actually mean?
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:18 AM
Nov 2024

Are you saying that if the POTUS asks for a resignation from an officer in the US military, that officer can refuse? I don't think so. If that were the case, then the US is already too close to a military dictatorship. If Trump, as a sitting president, were to tell an officer he wanted that officer gone and that officer refused, what would prevent Trump from simply finding an officer that would remove them? Physically arrested if required.

We're about to see normal rules and customs sorely challenged in ways we've never experienced. Unless its nailed down it's going to be swept away. What I've noticed over the last 8 years is that there were no nails used on most things we all thought were secure. What the hell makes anyone think the pentagon will be any different? Do they live in another world with a different chain of command and constitution?

What happens when there is no line between good order and insubordination? When following a direct order means going against the good of the nation?

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Trump is allied with Putin who wants the US military degraded, even destroyed. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #1
yep Cosmocat Nov 2024 #4
Trumper Dumper Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #45
He's doing it if he's not stopped. What we consider the American military will be Trumps personal revenge slave army. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #12
No one will stop him. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #13
Maybe someone with certain skills and a desire to see the country survive will weigh in Orrex Nov 2024 #18
Oh no, that won't work. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #31
You misunderstood the post. liberalgunwilltravel Nov 2024 #64
I shared the same opinion earlier. Its bound to happen if he goes too far. hootman Nov 2024 #66
I did not misunderstand the post. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #71
And by targeting, publicly, our SS and Medicare along with ALL govt institutions most of us will be far too Eliot Rosewater Nov 2024 #77
Becoming a Russian colony was not on my bucket list. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #78
So then, the term "commander in chief" will be revealed as only an empty title. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #19
Just as Dump is doing to the presidency and the office's oath to protect and defend the constitution. mdbl Nov 2024 #21
I have no problem with KS Toronado Nov 2024 #27
This is why Trump has to get the military under his thumb right away. First thing. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #33
"Nobody will stop him", is the part that I find disconcerting. Magoo48 Nov 2024 #29
Our entire huge government failed us and toppled like dominoes. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #32
Yup. Magoo48 Nov 2024 #35
We hope only 4 years. And one person specifically could have prevented this MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #42
Yes and yes Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #43
The secret is not to vote him into the most powerful position in the world Fish700 Nov 2024 #55
We The People failed horribly as well, yes. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #72
Correct, except for the 4-year part. They'll never disappear once installed. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #57
IMO Vance wil 25th him after the midterms. hootman Nov 2024 #67
A likely scenario. The outrageousness will never stop with this ship of fools. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #68
Good point. They hit the jackpot and won't leave easily if at all. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #73
And how would you say we go about that exactly? He won the election. cstanleytech Nov 2024 #24
Martial law, arrest co-conspirators. It's a special time and requires special acts to preserve the nation. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #56
And who can authorize that? Biden won't and for good reason because that would definitely cause a civil war. cstanleytech Nov 2024 #82
Okay, I've been advised that my ideas are unacceptably kooky. I sit corrected. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #88
Of course we've been in one but It's been an ideology one and it should remain one. cstanleytech Nov 2024 #90
What you're saying reminds me that the problem boils down to campaign financing. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #91
Essentially, yes it is and even though it was a misjudgment that was made on where to spend the money it can be fixed. cstanleytech Nov 2024 #92
Kinda reminds me of that last conversation many dinosaurs had. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #93
Everything is gone. Everything. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2024 #76
I was wondering if any other career military were going to speak out... FirstLight Nov 2024 #2
Pentagon Bureaucracy is hard to overcome. haele Nov 2024 #9
According to what I read, generals have 30 days to retire after a negative report from the warrior board. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #16
And if they don't? It has to be irrefutable. haele Nov 2024 #25
What, then, does the term "commander in chief" actually mean? jaxexpat Nov 2024 #58
President is only Commander in Chief during times of declared War. haele Nov 2024 #63
Okay, and I understand that using the US military on American soil is against the law as well. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #70
Current active generals cannot speak out. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #14
The military will take care of its' own. Dan Nov 2024 #26
Trump ? STUDY ???? SRSLY ?? eppur_se_muova Nov 2024 #30
What are you saying? What's their specialty, bribery, extortion, terrorist threatening? Surely you're not boasting? jaxexpat Nov 2024 #74
What I am saying, Dan Nov 2024 #80
I sense and respect your passion about the mission of the military. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #85
Your friend was right. Dan Nov 2024 #86
My wife's nephew refused a request that he re-enlist (he's a very smart guy with computers) because he'd been told to be jaxexpat Nov 2024 #87
Active military brass do not speak out. wnylib Nov 2024 #53
Sadly this will only be seen by those like us kerouac2 Nov 2024 #3
They will only notice when it's in their faces mdbl Nov 2024 #22
So what becomes of this TFG-loyal MAGA military corps... localroger Nov 2024 #5
Vance will succeed Trump. The MAGA movement is.beyond wnylib Nov 2024 #54
I seem to recall Republicans blocking promotions of hundreds of officers for over a year Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #6
That was GOP Senator Tuberville. Lasher Nov 2024 #47
That doesn't stop the military Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #49
Rick, are those rich and powerful men, you refer, more powerful than those who installed Trump? jaxexpat Nov 2024 #59
President Biden has a constitutional duty to protect our constitution. I suggest he use it. Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #7
Absolutely Rebl2 Nov 2024 #28
He is speaking to probably the most historically ignorant citizenry our country has known in generations. Jit423 Nov 2024 #8
The MAGA Warrior Board Otto_Harper Nov 2024 #10
Thanks for the warning... Ysabel Nov 2024 #11
Here are some things that Generals talked Trump out of in his previous administration. Kablooie Nov 2024 #15
I would add Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #50
The genie's out of the bottle. Too late, because of her emails. No, wait, b/c Democrats needed to be punished. ffr Nov 2024 #17
Exactly so, there are only a handful of weeks available to resuscitate the victim. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #60
The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization. They are the enemy from within. Initech Nov 2024 #20
We know who's shit list Major General Eaton is noe KPN Nov 2024 #23
TY Kick for Retired Major General Paul Eaton. 💙 Cha Nov 2024 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author The Unmitigated Gall Nov 2024 #36
If you've taken an oath to defend and protect the constitution lees1975 Nov 2024 #37
Second person today using the feudal word "fealty" instead of "loyalty" -- pay attention Hekate Nov 2024 #38
The distinction is lost on too many. At their/our peril, I'm afraid. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #61
".... good model to keep" Turbineguy Nov 2024 #39
Stunning how ineffective Kellys warning were and he was not alone. Passages Nov 2024 #40
Would have been nice if he'd said this at the DNC AdamGG Nov 2024 #41
The Military Swears an Oath, as Miley Noted, to the Constitution. If the Constitution is destroyed, as is clearly... NNadir Nov 2024 #44
As president, Trump will have sworn a similar oath to the Constitution. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2024 #75
Is that true of everyone else? NNadir Nov 2024 #79
Is what true of who? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2024 #81
I think you answered the question yourself NNadir Nov 2024 #83
A majority of the people who take the oath seriously are members of what I call "Civil Service". ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2024 #84
The Russian Invasion is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE Blue Owl Nov 2024 #46
i can't tell you how mad i am that the 5% or so who pay 0 attention to anything but voted to put drumpf over the top Takket Nov 2024 #48
When will US citizens begin falling out of windows? C Moon Nov 2024 #51
Putin will advise Trump how to thoroughly decimate the US military dlk Nov 2024 #52
Dictators need absolute control over the military. And Trump dreams of being a dictator. Joe_Gadway Nov 2024 #62
Peter Zeihan used an apt description of Russia's military. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2024 #65
I Don't Trust RobinA Nov 2024 #69
I can see now that the phrase "serve the country well" was quite poorly chosen. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2024 #89
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