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In reply to the discussion: JOE, you have total immunity. Use it. [View all]Tweedy
(1,134 posts)48. Please read the opinion
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2024/07/scotus_immunity-7-1.pdf
Before deciding what it means.
The Supreme Court did not give any president total immunity.
Instead, right wing prejudging justice Roberts declared this in the opinion:
Trump asserts a far broader immunity than the limited one we have recognized .
Roberts also correctly noted that the impeachment clause of our constitution did not provide support for absolute immunity. No doubt, Roberts noted this obvious fact to all English literate people with mealy-mouthed language. Specifically, Roberts said the impeachment clause provides little support for such an immunity. Truly, that clause provides no support at all.
So, what you are proposing would be struck down by the court. So, Joe Biden could ignore that. Then, Joe Biden could pre-emptively destroy the democracy we love. Which . I mean what? Why would we want that???
It looks obvious Mr. Trump is going to destroy our military with Stalin-like purges, destroy our department of justice and unfurl all the criminals on our monetary system. This does not even include the plans to make polio smashing again or incarcerate millions of people for petty for prison profit.
This is the outcome an algorithmic driven fourth estate handed us. If we believe in democracy, we need to slug our way through it. Slug our way through because we can vote the jesters right out.
America always does the right thing after exhausting every other possibility Winston Churchill supposedly said.
Well, we are about to exhaust some terrible possibilities. Get ready. Prepare yourself mind, body and soul.
Our right to govern our own dang selves is at stake. We cannot win that fight by pre-emptive dictatorial fiat.
The GOP just flipped off our ancestors and brought along our country for the ride on the back of a bunch of misinformed people who just wanted to watch the show (apparently?).
Now it is time we stand up for our right to self govern and teach the misinformed what it actually means to be an American patriot.
Mr. Trump and company, Johnny come America latelys, sycophants and assorted hangers-on do not understand how our country works.
Remember, America always does the right thing after exhausting every other possibility.
Make it your mantra.
Please stop beseeching Joe Biden to pre-emptively declare we cannot govern ourselves.
Despite recent occurrences, that is a vicious lie.
We can govern ourselves.
Stand up and prove that a peoples Union can endure even this nonsense.
Even this, the United States of America can endure. We will thrive again.
This is not the end of our story, nor the beginning of some kleptocratic apocalypse.
That is just what the thugs-in-waiting want you to believe.
Before deciding what it means.
The Supreme Court did not give any president total immunity.
Instead, right wing prejudging justice Roberts declared this in the opinion:
Trump asserts a far broader immunity than the limited one we have recognized .
Roberts also correctly noted that the impeachment clause of our constitution did not provide support for absolute immunity. No doubt, Roberts noted this obvious fact to all English literate people with mealy-mouthed language. Specifically, Roberts said the impeachment clause provides little support for such an immunity. Truly, that clause provides no support at all.
So, what you are proposing would be struck down by the court. So, Joe Biden could ignore that. Then, Joe Biden could pre-emptively destroy the democracy we love. Which . I mean what? Why would we want that???
It looks obvious Mr. Trump is going to destroy our military with Stalin-like purges, destroy our department of justice and unfurl all the criminals on our monetary system. This does not even include the plans to make polio smashing again or incarcerate millions of people for petty for prison profit.
This is the outcome an algorithmic driven fourth estate handed us. If we believe in democracy, we need to slug our way through it. Slug our way through because we can vote the jesters right out.
America always does the right thing after exhausting every other possibility Winston Churchill supposedly said.
Well, we are about to exhaust some terrible possibilities. Get ready. Prepare yourself mind, body and soul.
Our right to govern our own dang selves is at stake. We cannot win that fight by pre-emptive dictatorial fiat.
The GOP just flipped off our ancestors and brought along our country for the ride on the back of a bunch of misinformed people who just wanted to watch the show (apparently?).
Now it is time we stand up for our right to self govern and teach the misinformed what it actually means to be an American patriot.
Mr. Trump and company, Johnny come America latelys, sycophants and assorted hangers-on do not understand how our country works.
Remember, America always does the right thing after exhausting every other possibility.
Make it your mantra.
Please stop beseeching Joe Biden to pre-emptively declare we cannot govern ourselves.
Despite recent occurrences, that is a vicious lie.
We can govern ourselves.
Stand up and prove that a peoples Union can endure even this nonsense.
Even this, the United States of America can endure. We will thrive again.
This is not the end of our story, nor the beginning of some kleptocratic apocalypse.
That is just what the thugs-in-waiting want you to believe.
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He has complete and total immunity for exercising core constitutional duties. Isn't protecting the country from an
LymphocyteLover
Nov 13
#63
I said what I said but I know Biden isn't going to be a tyrant. I'm just not sure why he isn't doing more to prevent the
LymphocyteLover
Nov 13
#85
"assed to vote"? But otherwise I get your point. I suppose Joe thinks he did what he could & will leave the rest to god
LymphocyteLover
Thursday
#97
keep Trump from taking power unless they sign ethics agreements, for one
LymphocyteLover
Thursday
#96
You realize it is a four year term that must expire on or about 1/21/2024
TheKentuckian
Thursday
#106
What do you have in mind that won't be precluded by Constitution, federal laws, etc.? I guess Biden could kidnap trump
Silent Type
Nov 13
#11
Yep sounds exactly like the QAnon nuts talking about how the military secretly executed Hillary and replaced her with a
Fish700
Nov 13
#80
President Biden swore a duty to protect the constitution. I suggest to use it now.
Clouds Passing
Nov 13
#18
Yes-- I would really like to know what the fuck he's thinking and what sort of discussions they've had about stopping
LymphocyteLover
Nov 13
#66
Hypocrisy is a very human trait. Bu some people don't hate Trump because he's an authoritarian.
tritsofme
Nov 13
#32
Nothing in their opinions says the immunity allows the president to take actions that are unlawful but not criminal
onenote
Thursday
#105
More of this nonsense. The Supreme Court said a president has immunity from criminal prosecution
onenote
Nov 13
#34
release unredacted mueller"report, pardon hunter, release unredacted jack smith report when he "winds it down"
orleans
Nov 13
#41
Yes, defend the sovereignty of the US now. Now or never. Use it or lose it.
bucolic_frolic
Nov 13
#52
Maybe have Pres. Biden give all democrats total immunity, now. Just a thought, and it's probably not possible or
SWBTATTReg
Nov 13
#58
I'm hoping that these clowns he is appointing are just there for the grift
paulrevere2018
Nov 13
#59
The person holding the Presidency (ie Joe Biden) has broad immunity. The people he would order to do
kelly1mm
Nov 13
#69