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msfiddlestix

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23. As a Californian, I'm grateful Newsom has been our Governor, but he's not the candidate for President following TSF

Wed Nov 13, 2024, 08:40 AM

Nov 13

that will win. At this particular moment, I don't see a candidate in sight that would manage to overcome a rigged election. We have lost our democracy. Or maybe that ship sailed long before this one. I think it's been chipped away state by state, and somehow the fascists have finally taken over again, but this time with a vengeance I don't see how we come out of this.
Not that we shouldn't try, we have to fight back, but not by floating the next candidate at this juncture.

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Democrats Are Hopeful For A 2028 Run From Gavin Newsom [View all] SunSeeker Nov 13 OP

Good gawd, Huffpo. What an offensive headline. hlthe2b Nov 13 #1

You're right. SunSeeker Nov 13 #2

... hlthe2b Nov 13 #4

naive to assume there will be a next election ShepKat Nov 13 #3

We can't assume anything, but we must fight. SunSeeker Nov 13 #5

Yes. The game of thrones need to be much more sophisticated. msfiddlestix Nov 13 #64

Trump's appointment of the Fox sycophant to be Secretary of Defense has a specific purpose. Lonestarblue Nov 13 #28

it's ridiculous to assume otherwise. Groundhawg Nov 17 #101

Sure if he can win a primary In It to Win It Nov 13 #6

he'll already have enough votes ShepKat Nov 13 #44

Will This Country Survive Until Then? MrWowWow Nov 13 #7

I think he has a lot of the same weaknesses as Harris. I'd prefer someone like Whitmer, Shapiro, or Fetterman tritsofme Nov 13 #8

I really like Whitmer. SunSeeker Nov 13 #9

One thing ill give him is he is very rhetorically gifted ColinC Nov 13 #13

How to lose JustAnotherGen Nov 13 #15

So which Dem could win? SunSeeker Nov 13 #17

I don't buy that for a second. Whitmer is just a better candidate, by leaps and bounds. tritsofme Nov 13 #21

We rejected a white woman in '16 and a WOC in '24. Millions voted down ballot and left the top blank. PortTack Nov 13 #54

And every other year we didn't win, it was a white man who was rejected. tritsofme Nov 13 #61

I'm not sure about that. LogDog75 Nov 13 #62

Their candidate will be JD Vance. subterranean Nov 18 #107

Whitmer is out Bettie Nov 13 #19

Nah, I reject this line of thinking. Harris was a poor candidate in a tough cycle. tritsofme Nov 13 #22

Twice we have run women Bettie Nov 13 #24

Biden probably would have lost worse in 2024. tritsofme Nov 13 #30

Well, since we're unlikely to have another Bettie Nov 13 #33

Oh please. tritsofme Nov 13 #40

I dont think she was a bad candidate, just she we was a she and black. nt doc03 Nov 13 #38

She was polling in the single digits Zeitghost Nov 13 #73

Hillary won the popular vote. toesonthenose Nov 13 #91

He's way more charismatic Polybius Nov 13 #49

He Has None RobinA Nov 13 #68

Whitmer berksdem Nov 13 #69

Fetterman? Alephy Nov 13 #83

That is pure nonsense. tritsofme Nov 14 #94

Your suggestions are nonsense Alephy Nov 14 #98

Nope Alephy Nov 13 #84

Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. tritsofme Nov 14 #95

Lol Alephy Nov 14 #97

He didn't say anything wrong Keepthesoulalive Nov 17 #104

Of those three, only Shapiro has a chance pinkstarburst Nov 18 #111

He has no chance whatsoever. N/T valleyrogue Nov 13 #10

I'd have to agree, judging by the reaction here to HuffPo's article. nt SunSeeker Nov 13 #14

A "coastal elite" isn't going to win Horse with no Name Nov 13 #11

Trump was a "coastal elite" doubleplusgood Nov 13 #57

I saw Gov. Andy Beshear wrote an Op-Ed in the NYT.. Ars Longa Nov 13 #75

I have seen a lot of him since the election. From what I heard he seems to think doc03 Nov 17 #106

He has positive qualities for sure angrychair Nov 18 #109

Nonononononono ColinC Nov 13 #12

His approval in California is low. Passages Nov 13 #16

Newsom has work to do in California before running for President LogDog75 Nov 13 #60

He easily survived the recall. Reports of his demise are greatly exaggerated. onecaliberal Nov 13 #76

He's charismatic, but is he electable? EnergizedLib Nov 13 #18

Doesn't matter who we run Johnny2X2X Nov 13 #20

As a Californian, I'm grateful Newsom has been our Governor, but he's not the candidate for President following TSF msfiddlestix Nov 13 #23

I don't believe it was rigged. Elessar Zappa Nov 13 #46

Right. Several days ago I read a data point that indicated 40% of Ca voters, voted for TSF msfiddlestix Nov 13 #63

I don't think he would have a chance. Emile Nov 13 #25

I doubt there will be a midterm gab13by13 Nov 13 #26

Will it matter? Happy Hoosier Nov 13 #27

He may be a great governor for California but middle America doc03 Nov 13 #29

Media is running this elite coastal bull kansasobama Nov 13 #32

I have been there, it is beautiful state with friedly people but its politics are too liberal doc03 Nov 13 #36

That is a bullshit RW talking point. Shoplifting absolutely has consequences in CA. SunSeeker Nov 13 #65

Just saying that is the first thing people outside of California think doc03 Nov 13 #70

No, that's not what you were "just saying." Infuriating how much the right wing lies have infiltrated here. SunSeeker Nov 13 #72

The last three times we have lost Zeitghost Nov 13 #47

If we dont get a grip on overpowering the right's propaganda machine oldmanlynn Nov 13 #31

That would have been very hard to do, with the First Amendment. Mariana Nov 13 #86

Might as well just nominate Vance The Revolution Nov 13 #34

The GOP trashed Kamala Harris, who hadn't been involved in CA statewide politics in years, valleyrogue Nov 13 #35

Agreed Ndp5 Nov 13 #82

A famous California liberal might win the primary, but not the general dalton99a Nov 13 #37

... Crepuscular Nov 13 #39

Yes, unfortunately Fetterman is very unhealthy kansasobama Nov 13 #45

Pass mr715 Nov 13 #41

I agree, Beshear would be a great candidate Luciferous Nov 13 #87

Yeah mr715 Nov 13 #90

Wes Moore. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 13 #42

The only way to victory is through the rustbelt...this election clearly showed that. Demsrule86 Nov 13 #43

At this time, I don't see how any Democratic candidate would do any differently than either Biden or Kamala. Yavin4 Nov 13 #48

I'd honestly rather not. Tommy Carcetti Nov 13 #50

The country has rejected 2 women.....sadly neither of those two can win...gotta pick someone who can PortTack Nov 13 #56

Wwwwwwwaaaaaayyyyyy too soon Raven123 Nov 13 #51

No, it is time to get the best of our best in front of the nation. Between 6-12 candidates w/4 years for voters to see. SoFlaBro Nov 13 #59

To start campaigning, of course, way too soon. Xolodno Nov 13 #85

California Dems, maybe bigtree Nov 13 #52

Wait, so we didn't lose because VP Harris mcar Nov 13 #53

I Don't Know Which I Trust Less, Elections Or The People In This Country SoCalDavidS Nov 13 #55

I'm sticking with my own personal theory here... fairfaxvadem Nov 13 #58

America doesn't like Dems from coastal states...not since Kennedy. Wanderlust988 Nov 13 #66

His ex is now a Trump. Ursus Rex Nov 13 #67

I'm sure Newsom, Shapiro, and Beshear will be running for the nomination, among others. DavidDvorkin Nov 13 #71

For those who are thinking what is good for Blue Wall kansasobama Nov 13 #74

If not possible after fascists outlaw elections then maybe president of the country Westcoastia yaesu Nov 13 #77

he was a top pick for me too BUT ecstatic Nov 13 #78

Why? julmur Nov 13 #79

Still processing 2024. I'll pass on any candidate for now. Hassler Nov 13 #80

Quit please. Civilized elections don't start four years out. LakeArenal Nov 13 #81

No more annointings please ThePartyThatListens Nov 13 #88

No, America saturated in right wing propaganda is what got us here. SunSeeker Nov 14 #92

TBH I have to agree with ThePartyThatListens above, BlueGenes Nov 14 #93

Biden always said he was going to be a transition president, and picked Kamala as his VP for that reason. SunSeeker Nov 14 #96

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 17 #99

I don't have to tell myself anything. It's on video. Where were you in 2020?! SunSeeker Nov 17 #102

I like Newsom Blue_Tires Nov 13 #89

Californian here... I'm not sure he can sell it in the Rust belt. Or the Carolinas. WarGamer Nov 17 #100

I will support our candidate in 4 years.But I will not even think about it for 2 years Tribetime Nov 17 #103

No gay texan Nov 17 #105

It's early, I realize, but: Janbdwl72 Nov 18 #108

Hard Pass krawhitham Nov 18 #110

I think someone like Walz makes more sense. Emile Nov 18 #112