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53. what the Democrats in the Senate refuse to do impacts them

Tue Apr 18, 2023, 11:08 AM

Apr 2023

...refusing to stand up to the republicans.

There's no way in hell republicans would allow Democrats to dictate the retirement of one of their Senators. They'd just change the rules, which is what Democrats should do immediately.

If they can't find the votes among them it's THEY, appeasing republican obstinacy, who are holding up the progress of the Senate, not a senator who has become ill and needs a temporary replacement.

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Why is this about Dianne Feinstein, and not about the party neglecting to defend her seat? [View all] bigtree Apr 2023 OP

This how women are treated, bigtree WhiteTara Apr 2023 #1

Well said! brer cat Apr 2023 #2

... WhiteTara Apr 2023 #5

Here in FL, we're not mcar Apr 2023 #15

Nor in Texas. ananda Apr 2023 #32

well, join the depression club WhiteTara Apr 2023 #34

And when you throw in old...forget about it. nt GuppyGal Apr 2023 #23

What Would Mitch Do? Do that! blm Apr 2023 #3

It's the two sides of the same coin thing. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #29

Older women are supposed to sit around and crochet don't you know ripcord Apr 2023 #4

I'm guessing Manchin and Sinema won't support removing the filibuster so we have no majority. LonePirate Apr 2023 #6

tell me again why the onus is on Sen. Feinstein bigtree Apr 2023 #12

Have you slept through all of the Republican hardball tactics for the past 15 years? LonePirate Apr 2023 #16

hold a vote on the rule that it takes 60 votes to replace a committe member who's ailing and absent bigtree Apr 2023 #24

That vote will fail. It's not a problem with our majority that we cannot reach 60 Ayes for that. LonePirate Apr 2023 #40

why would it fail? bigtree Apr 2023 #43

That rules change to swap her temporarily requires 60 votes, not 50 votes. LonePirate Apr 2023 #48

the rules change I'm talking about is to remove that filibuster bigtree Apr 2023 #54

And that will fail due to Manchin and Sinema. The only option is for her to resign. LonePirate Apr 2023 #59

then WHERE is the pressure on those two? bigtree Apr 2023 #63

That pressure was applied with the HR 1 election bill. It failed so why bother trying again? LonePirate Apr 2023 #64

how is forcing a Democratic senator to resign the 'easy solution?' bigtree Apr 2023 #65

Missing a critical point FBaggins Apr 2023 #70

no, you are bigtree Apr 2023 #74

Untrue FBaggins Apr 2023 #80

so what you're saying is this Democratic majority which has 51 Democrats caucusing bigtree Apr 2023 #82

I'm saying that any combination smaller than a majority... FBaggins Apr 2023 #87

WOW inthewind21 Apr 2023 #41

She has said she won't resign ripcord Apr 2023 #61

Appeasement: that's the word I've been looking for. Look how well it worked with Hitler & Putin. nt Hekate Apr 2023 #78

The ironic thing is that it isn't about Dianne Feinstein either. Compare the attacks against her... Lancero Apr 2023 #7

Agree with you in wondering why Raine Apr 2023 #8

Why are we hearing about her alone? Grassley is the same age. Srkdqltr Apr 2023 #9

Is Grassley absent and holding up the important work of the country? BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2023 #10

Democrats would likely have allowed them bigtree Apr 2023 #13

Well inthewind21 Apr 2023 #42

+1000 GuppyGal Apr 2023 #25

A big reason for not removing barriers that Democrats can use to Hortensis Apr 2023 #11

what's the over and under for Democrats doing the decent thing and agreeing to replacements bigtree Apr 2023 #14

You aren't looking at parallel scenarios FBaggins Apr 2023 #17

we're back to allowing blue slips, even though we control the Senate bigtree Apr 2023 #27

I'm not arguing both-siderism or that we aren't "fairer" in general FBaggins Apr 2023 #30

and I'm telling you that Democrats don't operate that way bigtree Apr 2023 #31

Sorry - That's nonsense FBaggins Apr 2023 #33

Democrats could no more withhold consent against a republican majority vote bigtree Apr 2023 #35

Again - we do it all the time FBaggins Apr 2023 #38

this is about a TEMPORARY replacement. Not a fair comparison. bigtree Apr 2023 #46

I know what it's about FBaggins Apr 2023 #57

you can't block a simple majority rules change vote bigtree Apr 2023 #58

Of course you can FBaggins Apr 2023 #66

you're just wrong bigtree Apr 2023 #68

how does the republican minority block a simple majority vote? bigtree Apr 2023 #56

They same way we did FBaggins Apr 2023 #67

you're wrong bigtree Apr 2023 #71

I have no idea how you can say "you're wrong"... FBaggins Apr 2023 #72

it does not prove your point. bigtree Apr 2023 #75

Of course it does FBaggins Apr 2023 #79

Not true, we just get a bunch today and the GOP how howling like spoiled brats. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #81

Why do you suppose we accommodate them in the majority all of the time because when they have Autumn Apr 2023 #86

Feinstein has asked to be removed from the judiciary committee because she realizes that this is a MiniMe Apr 2023 #18

Surely we have some sharp as tacks strategists, analysts, Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2023 #19

It isn't about her at all. It's about getting as Phoenix61 Apr 2023 #20

This. Sky Jewels Apr 2023 #36

agreed, what the hell, we can't sit around and stop getting judges through ProfessorPlum Apr 2023 #84

then the party should change the filibuster rule for replacing nominees bigtree Apr 2023 #37

It's not about Senator Feinstein. It's not about Dems "not defending" her seat maxrandb Apr 2023 #21

it's a vote to change the rules to allow for a simple majority to replace a committee member bigtree Apr 2023 #22

Will, when your have Manchin and Sinema, good luck in changing the filibuster maxrandb Apr 2023 #26

so it's Manchin and Sinema blocking the solution to advancing nominations out of that committee? bigtree Apr 2023 #28

No, I am saying that it requires 60 votes to replace her maxrandb Apr 2023 #69

Another argument against career politicians kwolf68 Apr 2023 #39

Well inthewind21 Apr 2023 #47

They don't want to rock the boat. Feinstein has said she is going to retire and she's not going Autumn Apr 2023 #44

Well inthewind21 Apr 2023 #50

Bullfuckingshit. What she does impacts everyone in the country. Unless you are naive enough to Autumn Apr 2023 #51

what the Democrats in the Senate refuse to do impacts them bigtree Apr 2023 #53

This is not the first time Democrats in the Senate refused to stand up to the republicans. Autumn Apr 2023 #62

No inthewind21 Apr 2023 #55

Does she vote on bills and judges that impact people that are OUTSIDE of California? Autumn Apr 2023 #60

Please just put your pitchfork away. NT GuppyGal Apr 2023 #73

+1000 bigtree Apr 2023 #76

Facts are not pitchforks. They do seem to be uncomfortable for some people. What she does Autumn Apr 2023 #83

Could they get 50+ votes for that measure without Feinstein's vote? tinrobot Apr 2023 #45

yet ALL of the pressure is on an ailing senator bigtree Apr 2023 #49

This inthewind21 Apr 2023 #52

Thank you, bigtree. Spot on. As Nancy Pelosi noted: No MAN has ever had this demand to leave... Hekate Apr 2023 #77

this is not a sexism issue ProfessorPlum Apr 2023 #85

K&R MustLoveBeagles Apr 2023 #88