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13. What you mean is it benefits American defense contractors and the US paying for it is corporate

Reply to Marius25 (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 06:58 PM

Sep 2021

welfare. The people who should be paying for it are the people that use it.

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AOC has issued a letter to their constituents addressing her "present" vote yesterday: [View all] George II Sep 2021 OP

Wow. This is ridiculous. I am sorry but it is. boston bean Sep 2021 #1

+1 betsuni Sep 2021 #38

She was cowardly Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #52

Did she (or someone else) offer criticism/scorn for others who voted "present" in the past? NurseJackie Sep 2021 #2

She went after Gabbard TheProle Sep 2021 #3

Yes! That's it. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #5

Well, she said voting "present" is quite difficult for consequential votes. betsuni Sep 2021 #51

I believe she said that about a fellow House Democrat a couple of years ago, right? George II Sep 2021 #57

Yes. I guess she was right, it IS a tough position to be in! betsuni Sep 2021 #65

It certainly is... tonedevil Sep 2021 #70

Then she's learning from one of the best. That's politics. betsuni Sep 2021 #77

I think he did not cry. /nt tonedevil Sep 2021 #81

K & R Budi Sep 2021 #4

Ghosts appear and fade away. 🎵 NurseJackie Sep 2021 #7

Long paragraphs. Made me think of Kyrsten Sinema's "justifications," Hortensis Sep 2021 #10

Wait. 5 paragraphs are too much to read but you need to comment anyway? rgbecker Sep 2021 #69

Exactly, and all I got out of that so-called explanation for her present vote was: JohnSJ Sep 2021 #24

Yeah Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #53

Lol, it's not a controversial vote. Marius25 Sep 2021 #6

This is not about "opposition to the Iron Dome" this is about who should pay for it. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #9

Since the US helped build it and helps maintain it Marius25 Sep 2021 #11

What you mean is it benefits American defense contractors and the US paying for it is corporate PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #13

I find it odd that so many people that oppose Marius25 Sep 2021 #15

Yes it is a shame so many people seem to support the US funding all those other countries, isn't it. PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #20

who cares what countries they are treestar Sep 2021 #46

Israel has universal healthcare Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2021 #60

I read through their universal healthcare plan, injury from incoming rockets isn't covered. Ergo.... George II Sep 2021 #62

Apparently a HUGE majority of the members of the House understand the historic relationship.... George II Sep 2021 #59

Lol. It benefits defense contractors. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2021 #61

It saved countless lives, both Jewish AND Palestinian, when it intercepted thousands of rockets.... George II Sep 2021 #63

All the more reason Israel should be willing to pay for it. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #78

With that in mind, maybe Hamas should pay for it. They're the main reason Israel needs it.... George II Sep 2021 #80

Sure. Budi Sep 2021 #12

Gee. I don't know that having all the republicans vote for it is such a selling point. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2021 #74

420-9 is quite a humiliation, certainly not a selling point for Nixie Sep 2021 #83

1 Republican didn't and almost all Democrats also voted for it. Marius25 Sep 2021 #87

All the republicans didn't vote for it. George II Sep 2021 #93

I can't argue with the stillcool Sep 2021 #8

Well.Imagine what Speaker Pelosi has had to stand firm through all her years of battles in the House Budi Sep 2021 #17

There's only one Nancy Pelosi... stillcool Sep 2021 #23

We are so very fortunate to have a leader like Speaker Pelosi LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #30

Yes, she does have the heart and the drive, as well as the intelligence PatSeg Sep 2021 #106

Can someone point me to where she explains voting present instead of Nay onenote Sep 2021 #14

+1 leftstreet Sep 2021 #18

Welcome to the club. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #21

I am happy to be a member of this club LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #98

Exactly. JohnSJ Sep 2021 #26

From the letter... Spazito Sep 2021 #43

That isn't an explanation of why she voted present instead of voting nay. onenote Sep 2021 #44

I get your point... Spazito Sep 2021 #45

If she is truly opposed to the bill she would have voted Nay. And it certainly wasn't rushed... George II Sep 2021 #84

I completely agree... Spazito Sep 2021 #85

Jamaal Bowman, who had said he was not given enough time to "consider" it the first time around, lapucelle Sep 2021 #110

Bowman has a significant Jewish community in his District George II Sep 2021 #112

From her letter to their constituents: lapucelle Sep 2021 #114

+1 betsuni Sep 2021 #118

She didn't want to be grouped in with the 10 against it fescuerescue Sep 2021 #243

Sarcasm, right? onenote Sep 2021 #245

Not so much the people. But the numbers fescuerescue Sep 2021 #246

If she was concerned about being perceived as opposed to the bill, why write her letter onenote Sep 2021 #247

That's exactly why she wrote the letter. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #248

If you really oppose something vote NO. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #16

K & R Budi Sep 2021 #19

Why does the US government have to pay for this? Bettie Sep 2021 #22

We also give roughly $1.5B to both Egypt and Jordan. George II Sep 2021 #29

And again, I ask, why? Bettie Sep 2021 #31

Israel has had a long history (73 years) of being one of our closest allies, and during most.... George II Sep 2021 #34

It pays for their National Health Insurance? pwb Sep 2021 #35

Wow, it would be nice to have national health insurance for Bettie Sep 2021 #36

The Iron Dome has nothing to do with war. Marius25 Sep 2021 #68

And yet, no one can tell me WHY after this many years Bettie Sep 2021 #91

It's known as foreign policy. As I suggested elsewhere, perhaps Hamas should pay for it.... George II Sep 2021 #95

Right, so there's a lot of money to gift to a foreign government Bettie Sep 2021 #96

It's interesting that many question US foreign aid to Israel but not to dozens of other countries... George II Sep 2021 #97

If we are paying for their military assets Bettie Sep 2021 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Sep 2021 #102

Wouldn't it be nice if the US had a laudable Bettie Sep 2021 #103

We could but some are too bound and determined to tear down the existing system and replace it... George II Sep 2021 #108

Because we get benefits out of it. Marius25 Sep 2021 #107

It's interesting that nowhere in her letter did she mention the 420-9 Nixie Sep 2021 #25

It isn't a competition. Bettie Sep 2021 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Nixie Sep 2021 #40

Her letter was sort of worded like a competition. Nixie Sep 2021 #41

She didn't want to dignify that bill with a vote wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #48

Exactly Bettie Sep 2021 #49

That's what members of Congress do - answer to their constituents. It's not unusual, it's the norm. George II Sep 2021 #94

Then why did she set it up in the first place? FBaggins Sep 2021 #55

Good observation. If it wasn't stripped out of the bill that passed earlier in the week.... George II Sep 2021 #58

She set up the vote? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #66

Yes FBaggins Sep 2021 #73

Then the leadership set up the bill wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #79

Did you note the overwhelming bipartisan support? FBaggins Sep 2021 #82

The war on Afghanistan was also popular wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #86

So? FBaggins Sep 2021 #88

And just because a measure is "popular" wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #89

Sure FBaggins Sep 2021 #90

The Patriot act was very popular... tonedevil Sep 2021 #92

She didn't say that in her 2-page letter to "our NY-14 community" George II Sep 2021 #56

Things don't have to be spelled out to be obvious, chief wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #67

She did vote. George II Sep 2021 #71

Sure she did, boss wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #72

She changed her "no" vote to "present". lapucelle Sep 2021 #113

Yes, "Present" with an "apology".. Cha Sep 2021 #235

AOC issued a letter to "their" constituents about "her" vote? ShazzieB Sep 2021 #27

One should expect proper English grammar from a member comradebillyboy Sep 2021 #32

The grammatical error is the OP's, not AOC's. nt Celerity Sep 2021 #50

It wasn't an error. nt George II Sep 2021 #105

Yes it is. Incorrect mixing of possessive determiners. nt Celerity Sep 2021 #109

It's correct and consistent with the salutation and vote. George II Sep 2021 #111

No, you committed extremely basic English grammatical errors as has been pointed Celerity Sep 2021 #117

No rules were broken. Her letter was addressed to "our NY-14 community".... George II Sep 2021 #121

'Our' is a first person possessive pronoun. You are incorrectly conflating forms of address Celerity Sep 2021 #122

I haven't incorrectly conflated anything. The initial reference in the letter is "our", meaning... George II Sep 2021 #158

I have not belittled you, I am pointing out an obvious grammatical error made by you. Celerity Sep 2021 #161

No one expects that you accept my positings, which are correct. I'll pit my education against.... George II Sep 2021 #162

So in the midst of a discussion about AOC, I discover DU has a putative Style Manual. Who knew? Hekate Sep 2021 #174

I guess talking about grammar is a way to personalize things, which is the way these AOC Nixie Sep 2021 #187

+1 betsuni Sep 2021 #189

Comparing Israel to Saudi Arabia and Colombia Mosby Sep 2021 #28

n/s JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #169

Exactly.. TY! Cha Sep 2021 #221

TL;DR mcar Sep 2021 #33

+1 nt PunkinPi Sep 2021 #160

Excellent Advice! Cha Sep 2021 #223

The "reckless decision" to "rush this controversial vote" was the reason for her "present" vote? betsuni Sep 2021 #39

The bill was very similar to what was voted on the day before, and there was more than.... George II Sep 2021 #42

Yes, so I also don't understand why a delay would change anything, what "even a few hours betsuni Sep 2021 #47

Steny Hoyer announced right after the funding bill was passed on Tuesday evening that he planned... George II Sep 2021 #54

She had a chance to talk to her constituents & "open a conversation" when she was in NY on Sep. 13. lapucelle Sep 2021 #116

Yes, I think a town hall would've been a better use of time, job wise. betsuni Sep 2021 #119

It wasn't a "decision". There was a vote to suspend the rules. Why is she blaming leadership? N/T lapucelle Sep 2021 #115

Just because Cha Sep 2021 #228

Somebody is very unfamiliar with the Streisand effect. cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #64

She will never win a state wide office in New York being apposed to funding for Israel. nt BlueLucy Sep 2021 #75

Love AOC Patton French Sep 2021 #76

I agree with the comments and analysis of Steny Hoyer LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #99

+1 betsuni Sep 2021 #100

Post removed Post removed Sep 2021 #104

Memo to Progressives: Israel's Iron Dome Saves Palestinian Lives, Too LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #120

"Israel's Iron Dome Saves Palestinian Lives, Too" NurseJackie Sep 2021 #123

TY.. So what's the Gripe? Cha Sep 2021 #234

lol, so not only are you using a RW rag (Newsweek) BUT are literally using a RW Rethug MAGAt Celerity Sep 2021 #124

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #125

I am not wrong, I provided a shedload of documentation, and you are dodging the fact you posted a RW Celerity Sep 2021 #127

I apologize but I am still laughing at your post LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #132

I wonder what your law school profs would say about this wanton disregard of due process Celerity Sep 2021 #147

I graduated at the top of my class and was the high grade on the bar for my law school LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #150

"Overall, we rate Newsweek Left-Center Biased based on editorial positions" George II Sep 2021 #126

And I provided voluminous examples as to why that is no longer a valid labelling. Celerity Sep 2021 #128

Media Bias/Fact Check : "Last updated on August 6th, 2021 at 11:16 am" George II Sep 2021 #129

I provided MANY RW written articles from it, just like the one you are defending now for some reason Celerity Sep 2021 #130

You lay out a very good case. LanternWaste Sep 2021 #131

LOL Please consider using posts that are relevant LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #134

All my replies were and are relevant to my claims that you posted a RW, part MAGA House member, part Celerity Sep 2021 #136

Again thank you for the laughs LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #139

Once again, you have nothing but attempted belittlement and subject/focus changing. Celerity Sep 2021 #143

The subject of this thread is the funding of the Iron Dome system LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #145

They are not 'totally false'. That is laughable. They are all thoroughly documented and true. Celerity Sep 2021 #146

Again you are still wrong about everything LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #148

My reply was absolutely relevant to your first choice of sourcing. You have since posted other Celerity Sep 2021 #149

Post removed Post removed Sep 2021 #151

Can you get any more condescending? Celerity Sep 2021 #152

Have you heard of the concept of projection? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #153

Zero projection. Celerity Sep 2021 #154

"It is called speaking truth to ... power" "a repetitive modus operandi that you exhibit" betsuni Sep 2021 #156

But ALL the sources provided say pretty much the same thing - that Iron Dome SAVES LIVES... George II Sep 2021 #157

my point was not about the validity or invalidity of the claims about Iron Dome Celerity Sep 2021 #164

In your 20 posts in this thread you still have not addressed the subject matter contained.... George II Sep 2021 #165

It might surprise you that everything you said about that "anti-Semitic, DU-banned, racist troll"... George II Sep 2021 #166

What is wrong with the article? Why not tell us? betsuni Sep 2021 #159

You said at one point that you "had receipts," regarding the "DU-banned racist twitter troll"... Hekate Sep 2021 #170

receipts Celerity Sep 2021 #172

Ooooookaaaaay. That was excessive. Back away slowly from the keyboard & have some decaf. Hekate Sep 2021 #173

No kidding. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #175

Seriously. betsuni Sep 2021 #177

Nor should this. Budi Sep 2021 #176

sunlight is the best disinfectant, I simply exposed that troll using lots of documentation Celerity Sep 2021 #180

You realize in all that you posted the personal identity of someone several times, right? George II Sep 2021 #178

No, it's public knowledge, I didn't 'expose' anything. That is a ridiculous and false charge. Celerity Sep 2021 #179

Yes, her TWITTER account, not here, until you posted it here. George II Sep 2021 #181

Again, I exposed nothing that was not public knowledge, the articles and she herself already Celerity Sep 2021 #182

All of your posts here on Bravenak must have taken weeks of research. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #183

Weeks of research? Hardly, as the internet, when used correctly, speeds things up dramatically. Celerity Sep 2021 #184

Okay then. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #185

It's remarkable, isn't it? 😂🤣😂🤣 NurseJackie Sep 2021 #190

Truly. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #191

That gives me a little PTSD, or maybe Post Irritation Stress Disorder is more like it. betsuni Sep 2021 #201

... lapucelle Sep 2021 #192

;) sheshe2 Sep 2021 #194

Ahh!!! Nixie Sep 2021 #200

Literally one google search was all it took to find a name Sympthsical Sep 2021 #195

Yep. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #196

Do people really count the number of minutes between posts to prove a point? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #222

On this one? sheshe2 Sep 2021 #229

No I engage honestly with the contents of posts wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #230

Are you on LexisNexis? RW radio types like Rush Limbaugh Nixie Sep 2021 #199

Google plus DU search only, zero use of LexisNexis, none. No need for it. nt Celerity Sep 2021 #203

Some of what you dig up seems like there's history Nixie Sep 2021 #204

Your last sentence is what it's all about. betsuni Sep 2021 #207

Absolutely! We're seeing the...slippage. Nixie Sep 2021 #208

Any and every source is RW, a quote without any commentary is an attack. betsuni Sep 2021 #211

And so much agita about long-gone DUers. Nixie Sep 2021 #213

It sure as hell doesn't.. Brave is a Cha Sep 2021 #226

Aloha, Cha! I learned a lot from Bravenak! Her only internet Nixie Sep 2021 #249

We do not dox our own here, past or present. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #193

There was ZERO doxxing, that is a slanderously false charge. You owe me an apology. Celerity Sep 2021 #197

No apology. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #205

I know of her from seeing people on here talk about her, from reading articles AFTER I joined DU, Celerity Sep 2021 #216

Aaah. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #217

I never claimed I read all those articles in 2018 only. Some are of more recent vintage. Celerity Sep 2021 #220

Hm sheshe2 Sep 2021 #225

So here we are, five days and 30 posts, and yet you STILL haven't addressed the substance.... George II Sep 2021 #242

Some people believe everything they see on the Internet. betsuni Sep 2021 #244

Enjoy sheshe2 Sep 2021 #215

That post is from 2015, yet her last post according to her profile was in2017, so she obviously Celerity Sep 2021 #218

Yes it was from 2015. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #219

There's a new definition for anti-semitic, racist, troll. betsuni Sep 2021 #231

Lol... sheshe2 Sep 2021 #233

I know. I'm not buying it either. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #238

+1 betsuni Sep 2021 #240

Yes! There's a beam in your eye, like a big pizza pie Nixie Sep 2021 #250

Star Trek! sheshe2 Sep 2021 #252

It was hilarious that no matter how many times AA members said they weren't Clinton supporters, betsuni Sep 2021 #227

Any hint of a point to any of this was lost way back at the turn off to Kill the Messenger Boulevard betsuni Sep 2021 #198

Yep. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #209

The real base, not the fantasy one. betsuni Sep 2021 #212

It says it all about anyone who is Cha Sep 2021 #237

Ah, you know about Bravenak?? Interesting. Nixie Sep 2021 #202

It is interesting. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #210

It's quite a little data mining nugget there... Nixie Sep 2021 #214

Ya think? sheshe2 Sep 2021 #232

No. betsuni Sep 2021 #241

LOL, such irony. Nixie Sep 2021 #188

This is the Sub-thread that Will Not Die Hekate Sep 2021 #236

Well, since supposedly Newsweek is a RW "zombie magazine," this zombie thread should betsuni Sep 2021 #239

Exactly. The zombie grammar subthread is epic. Nixie Sep 2021 #251

Have you ever been right on an issue? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #133

The same question in your subject line could be asked of you as well. Celerity Sep 2021 #137

Your continue to make me laugh LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #138

You have little but continuous attempts to evade and change focus from what I said. Celerity Sep 2021 #142

But I really enjoy laughing at your attempts at making an argument LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #144

"You have little but continuous attempts to evade and change focus from what I said"..... George II Sep 2021 #163

+1000, you personally seem to be the desperate subject line. Nixie Sep 2021 #206

You are using relevant facts LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #135

I find these long, drawn-out Kill the Messenger things a huge waste of time. betsuni Sep 2021 #140

That is why these silly attacks are not used in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #141

Rt TY for the Reality Check, LMVP Cha Sep 2021 #171

Kick for later burrowowl Sep 2021 #155

Another knowledgeable advocate for the Iron Dome defensive system, a PALESTINIAN! George II Sep 2021 #167

TY.. just Rt it. Cha Sep 2021 #186

Hey look, an entire community wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #224

If you are explaining, you are losing. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #168