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23. Actually, impeachment became more popular BEFORE the impeachment inquiry was opened

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:20 AM

Jul 2019

The inquiry itself was conducted mostly behind closed doors - only the first 20 minutes of the first hearing in May was done in public - and had little impact on public opinion. Other factors outside of the impeachment proceedings - including the Senate Watergate hearings, criminal prosecutions and convictions, the Saturday Night Massacre, Agnew's conviction and resignation, Nixon's continued defiance of the courts, and the Supreme Court order to turn over the tapes, were much more influential than the impeachment inquiry itself, which turned up no new information and people weren't privy to for until the very end when the Articles of Impeachment were drafted, debated and voted on. And by the time the inquiry was opened to the public, support for impeachment was well over 50%.

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Does Pelosi need a majority in the House to start Impeachment hearings? [View all] ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 OP

Not enough votes is what I keep hearing but I think Nancy could persuade enough Autumn Jul 2019 #1

maybe not enough votes now, at the beginning of the process ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #2

I would think that any committee chair could initiate the hearings but I think they would look to Autumn Jul 2019 #3

I don't think so, otherwise why did they hold the vote last week? sweetloukillbot Jul 2019 #6

This may be kind of in the weeds, but StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #16

There are actually two separate votes StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #12

I don't believe that there aren't enough votes -Look at the list of Democrats that haven't announced Pachamama Jul 2019 #36

Some good information to educate yourself. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #4

firewall, can't see it ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #7

No firewall. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #8

thanks, that's a better wikipedia article than the one I was looking at ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #11

you don't bring something to the floor without the votes...and there is a very real chance Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #27

This also has some good info as to how it might move along. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #9

No, they can start hearings that head towards impeachment and have damn near the same uponit7771 Jul 2019 #5

They're doing that now. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #14

Yep, its starting to look like this. Pelosi has an uphill climb because of not holding BushCo ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #17

No, they haven't "called off the 2020 elections" - and that will happen ONLY if enough Democrats StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #19

Correct, that's why I type "effectively" ... they don't have enough minerals to call off the ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #21

If you think "impeachment is about all we got" you're really saying they've called off the election StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #26

... effectively ... yes, I don't see how 2020 is going to be more free and fair than 2016 or 18 uponit7771 Jul 2019 #30

I know. You keep saying that StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #32

How would that be influencing people not to excecise their power to call their reps and demand uponit7771 Jul 2019 #33

He will stonewall impeachment too...he doesn't care about prececdent or laws...and the moderates Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #28

Moderates can do the right thing and keep their seats if there's justificaton for their actions. uponit7771 Jul 2019 #29

Sorry that is completely unrealistic...if impeachment is unpopular and moderates do it anyway... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #52

Nixon impeachment 40% Trump impeachment 45%, ... the polls are either lying or they're not uponit7771 Jul 2019 #53

He can't stonewall impeachment StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #37

Yes and no StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #10

Thanks ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #13

Great! StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #15

+1, I wonder if it was like this during beginning of Nixon impeachment process uponit7771 Jul 2019 #18

My recollection is that it was StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #20

Cool, and impeachment became more popular after the process began it looks like. I pray Red Dons uponit7771 Jul 2019 #22

Actually, impeachment became more popular BEFORE the impeachment inquiry was opened StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #23

I was a kid at the time NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #24

Yes - those were the Senate Select Committee hearings in the spring and summer of '73 StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #25

One modification to that FBaggins Jul 2019 #31

I think you're basing this on the Politico story StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #34

On what basis do you believe it's "pure bs"? FBaggins Jul 2019 #40

Here's why StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #41

Not buying it FBaggins Jul 2019 #42

""For example, the impeachment process isn't started by 'drafting articles of impeachment.' We just StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #43

That's circular FBaggins Jul 2019 #45

But they weren't voted on and they didn't pass. That's the thing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #47

Still think it's BS? FBaggins Jul 2019 #48

What was part of the petition? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #49

Just what I said in #31 and #40 FBaggins Jul 2019 #50

You don't seem to understand the distinction between the committee "considering Articles" StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #51

From a new Politico piece published this morning: StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #35

I'm well aware that they're making that argument FBaggins Jul 2019 #38

They just went to court today StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #39

Nancy Pelosi Doesn't Have The Votes To Impeach Trump Gothmog Jul 2019 #44

That's a reasonable standard FBaggins Jul 2019 #46

This is one of the reasons today's move was brilliant StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #54