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GulfCoast66

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20. I don't agree. They believe in the Socialist economic system.

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:37 PM

Jul 2019

And I’m not talking about social democracy but collective control of the means of production. Social Security, Universal Healthcare, Job protection, meaningful unemployment benefits and such are not socialism. And they support all the above but their ultimate goal is collective ownership of the means of production. All you have to do is read their platform. They are honest about it.

While I strongly disagree with them, I don’t think socialist evil. Just wrong.

They came up with a nifty ploy to get democrats to agree with them without reading the details. I mean, who can be against the ‘Green New Deal’.

Had any Democratic Candidates or Democratic Members taken the time to read the proposal and then the platform of the Democratic Socialist it would have been apparent what was happening. Some of us did. But that is not on the New Green Deal proponents. That is on those jumping on the bandwagon.

They have not been disingenuous. Just tricky. Which in this case is a compliment.

It’s all good and will come out in the wash.

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AOC's Chief-of-Staff says the Green New Deal was about restructuring the economy - not combating AGW [View all] riverine Jul 2019 OP

Changing the entire economy IS critical to combating ACC mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #1

There is no model other than the "debt/growth" model riverine Jul 2019 #3

You are mistaken ... & the current economic paradigm has 0% chance of averting climate catastrophe mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #24

+1000 Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #27

Why can't you name one? Just one? riverine Jul 2019 #44

If the economy is 100% reliant on perpetual GROWTH, that requires both more and more energy mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #64

oh, so you would force a Great Depression-like economic coma on the world so that riverine Jul 2019 #65

Quite frankly I think it's too late, we're f***ed, because you're right mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #70

Shouldn't you at least name one alternative ? hack89 Jul 2019 #47

+1 myohmy2 Jul 2019 #23

There's not much to read, it's just an outline with zero details on how to do it or.... George II Jul 2019 #49

Mr., it's a matter of focus, right? They want power and Hortensis Jul 2019 #58

I know a lot of folks here love her, madaboutharry Jul 2019 #2

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #38

I'd say Chakrabarti shot himself in the foot, but it's more like turning an AR-15 on everyone hoping highplainsdem Jul 2019 #4

No shit. All you have to do is read it and the read the platform of the Democratic Socialist! GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #5

Yes, they exploited the naivete of AOC followers to pose as a climate change fighter riverine Jul 2019 #8

+1. And they blasted Beto's plan saying he got the science wrong, etc. dalton99a Jul 2019 #9

Not sure I would have posted what I did at the time of release GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #16

The GND hasn't even been written. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #26

Wow, that's some sham considering that she's been pretty open about being... Humanist_Activist Jul 2019 #45

K&R betsuni Jul 2019 #6

Pretty nice subterfuge. dalton99a Jul 2019 #7

Now they have admitted it. PETRUS Jul 2019 #10

Of course! The RW mouth-breathers have always claimed that AGW is a "Marxist plot" all the while riverine Jul 2019 #12

That's absurd. PETRUS Jul 2019 #15

+100 Duppers Jul 2019 #42

Many are saying. Iggo Jul 2019 #52

so that's why they didn't support Jay Inslee JI7 Jul 2019 #11

The Sunrise Movement knows best. dalton99a Jul 2019 #14

That's the plan that proscribes upgrading every bldg in America for renewable energy or something. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #13

Yep - "Replacing or upgrading every U.S. building to achieve maximal energy efficiency, dalton99a Jul 2019 #17

Or perhaps a plan it's proponents never took as a serious climate change plan? GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #18

No sh*t? Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #19

I don't agree. They believe in the Socialist economic system. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #20

I'm afraid some damage has been done just by the mere existence of the GND. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #21

Not so worried. It a long time till the primaries. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #22

And? Is that somehow an unobtainable goal? Humanist_Activist Jul 2019 #46

Well, yeah. Duh. Of course that's unobtainable in the real world. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #48

You know that we can upgrade buildings over time, right? Humanist_Activist Jul 2019 #67

Yes. But not ALL buildings in the country. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #69

You are making it sound like it would be done overnight, when its not.... Humanist_Activist Jul 2019 #71

Changing the subject. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #72

To proscribe something means to prohibit it. Mariana Jul 2019 #73

Prescribes Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #74

I guess Nancy Pelosi calling it "the green dream or whatever" wasn't so terrible after all. betsuni Jul 2019 #25

Nancy was too kind to AOC and her crew. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #28

Dear Goddess. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #29

"This is not about me," said Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez... ." betsuni Jul 2019 #31

Oh let me think a minute. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #33

You guess wrong melman Jul 2019 #30

Not so far. betsuni Jul 2019 #32

So how come Kamala Harris supports it? melman Jul 2019 #35

I only chose Harris as my candidate because she's pretty. betsuni Jul 2019 #37

No she didn't. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #34

Yes melman Jul 2019 #36

Oh, melman. betsuni Jul 2019 #39

You have nothing. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #40

You have nothing. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #41

No, you CAN'T. George II Jul 2019 #61

It is just a dream - no meat on those bones, no details on how to accomplish it.... George II Jul 2019 #50

But all the other plans are no good dalton99a Jul 2019 #53

Is that all you got? nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #62

lol melman Jul 2019 #63

Single payer Duppers Jul 2019 #43

I think you might be confusing single payer with universal coverage. lapucelle Jul 2019 #55

Seems to me that AOC's Chief of Staff is overstepping some boundaries here. MineralMan Jul 2019 #51

I don't think AOC cares about negative publicity dalton99a Jul 2019 #54

You could be right, but it will have its effect MineralMan Jul 2019 #60

Wow. Addressing climate change is a socialist plot! Applegate Jul 2019 #56

Do Chiefs of Staff to Congress folks usually RUN THEIR MOUTH? Serious question. nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #57

Isn't It Time For Him To Sit Down & Be Quiet Me. Jul 2019 #59

Not if he truly speaks for her DFW Jul 2019 #66

Well If It Isn't Me. Jul 2019 #68

Kick question everything Jul 2019 #75