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NewJeffCT

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185. There were not 67 Democrats when Nixon was going to be impeached

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:04 AM

Jul 2018

Let's say Democrats pick up 30-35 seats in the House (or more) and miraculously pick up 3 seats in the Senate. (Personally, I think if Democrats broken even in the Senate, it would be an upset)

Democrats then hold public hearings and call Donald Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, Michael Cohen (witness against Trump?), etc to testify in public and on TV. Under tough questioning from Democrats, lightweights like Don Jr, Kushner or somebody else will likely wilt and say something stupidly incriminating. Even Fox News won't be able to spin a stupid incrimination that quickly and the news goes viral and actively turns previously passive and uninterested independents and the few remaining sane Republicans against Team Trump. Maybe in a few Republicans in Congress?

And, until the Nixon tapes came out, most Republicans strongly supported Nixon.

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I now believe Trump will be removed from office. [View all] LuckyCharms Jul 2018 OP

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Not unless there are 67 Democratic senators. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #4

I do not think impeachment will be the mechanism. n/t LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #5

I would agree with you on that. roamer65 Jul 2018 #7

Removal or conviction requires 67 votes. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #9

He will be forced out of office by one of 2 ways: LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #14

Even if Mueller indicted him, the indictment would be challenged. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #15

I understand your position, but I believe LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #16

His base is represented by the Republicans in Congress. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #17

I'm not talking about conspiracy with the Russians. LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #18

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I keep thinking back to what Steve Schmidt told Stephanie Ruhle on MSNBC about a year ago. PearliePoo2 Jul 2018 #42

I remember Watergate. Thought it was puzzling and a real "nothingburger", AND THEN!, SharonAnn Jul 2018 #48

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Nixon had a 29% percent approval rating when he was forced out.. whathehell Jul 2018 #51

Trump is openly breaking laws right now. Who is going to force him out? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #58

Respectfully, this is a fantasy. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #66

No fantasy here. We're in agreement. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #68

Not you. The others. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #74

Ungovernable Nasruddin Jul 2018 #73

Nothing much will get done. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #75

I think cheri010353 Jul 2018 #77

He is already unstable. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #82

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And Republicans are helping Trump! True Blue American Jul 2018 #173

I'm hoping indictments of a number of republican congress persons Danascot Jul 2018 #189

Add Mark Meadows to that list. True Blue American Jul 2018 #190

Nixon resigned because he lacked the votes in the Senate to thwart conviction/removal. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #59

The charges against Nixon were SO much less serious than whathehell Jul 2018 #99

You are confusing pessimissm with realism. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #101

No, you are confusing opinion with fact. whathehell Jul 2018 #104

You offered an opinion. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #107

Yes, but, unlike you, I didn't confuse it with fact... whathehell Jul 2018 #109

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Fuck his base. orangecrush Jul 2018 #161

Removing him from office has nothing to do with affinity for Deplorables. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #179

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An indictment millstone around Trump's neck will have him tweeting oasis Jul 2018 #150

Don't tease me. JarOCats Jul 2018 #170

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Mueller plays by the books. fallout87 Jul 2018 #63

Or an accident happens with "the old, outdated" Air Force 1 LiberalArkie Jul 2018 #72

There was outrage galore in the UK. Chemisse Jul 2018 #85

He knows that's a lie. He says things like that to keep his base with him. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2018 #111

The public out rage is already there for most of the world lancelyons Jul 2018 #87

He can't be indicted while president. Orsino Jul 2018 #94

Well, that's open. It's never been tried. If Kavanaugh is confirmed, Trump won't be indicted. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #159

Trump will never resign. If Kavanaugh is confirmed, he won't be indicted or convicted. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #157

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Let Me Speculate Here Cheviteau Jul 2018 #79

If their whole party was in cahoots with Russia DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #80

Bingo! Dream Girl Jul 2018 #138

impeachment is the ONLY mechanism fallout87 Jul 2018 #62

not true. AZ8theist Jul 2018 #86

How many presidents have been removed by the 25th amendment? fallout87 Jul 2018 #89

How many were charged with some of Treason or Espionage? whathehell Jul 2018 #100

Exactly. fallout87 Jul 2018 #106

Uh..No. whathehell Jul 2018 #181

The 25th Amendent is NOT the answer that you think it is ... PBC_Democrat Jul 2018 #139

He's mentally deficient AZ8theist Jul 2018 #191

I'm agreeing with you on his mental incapcity ... PBC_Democrat Jul 2018 #192

Simple majority in either House or Senate Tax Returns exposed ThoughtCriminal Jul 2018 #164

We won't need any more than that jmowreader Jul 2018 #50

I don't think they'll be pissed onlyadream Jul 2018 #53

Exactly. They're as corrupt and evil as Trump. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #57

Yup. My bet is that they'll seize on Tad Devine when it all breaks, KitSileya Jul 2018 #135

The GOP hates the same people Trump and his base does. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #70

They will be pissed he/they got caught. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #187

There were not 67 Democrats when Nixon was going to be impeached NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #185

The only reason Nixon resigned is because he didn't have the 67 votes in the Senate DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #186

He's not the only one who will be removed Generic Brad Jul 2018 #6

+1 LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #8

Bingo. American de-Nazification. (NM) JarOCats Jul 2018 #24

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Hear, hear! Dream Girl Jul 2018 #140

+100! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2018 #166

Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2018 #188

Trump will eventually be impeached. Impeachment will occur Hortensis Jul 2018 #19

I agree he'll get impeached... forgotmylogin Jul 2018 #35

Yes to that! Resignation to avoid removal and/or post-removal Hortensis Jul 2018 #43

You think more highly than I do of Republicans in Congress. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #60

No, I really don't! Their handlers have gotten some Hortensis Jul 2018 #84

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Ask them. For sure they have reasons. I can offer, Hortensis Jul 2018 #137

I think you're far too optimistic. eallen Jul 2018 #20

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It will have to be resignation Buckeyeblue Jul 2018 #23

Such a deal will be political suicide exboyfil Jul 2018 #28

25th Amendment solutions. nt NickB79 Jul 2018 #25

It can't be sustained in the Senate or the House exboyfil Jul 2018 #31

Maybe all that cholesterol will finally get him. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #26

Too good for him dflprincess Jul 2018 #56

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Yes! FM123 Jul 2018 #90

only the good die young Hamlette Jul 2018 #120

The military can remove him from office. roamer65 Jul 2018 #27

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No, they can't. shanny Jul 2018 #41

Yes they can and they just may. roamer65 Jul 2018 #122

The military is solidly behind trump. It's a white wing organization close to NRA in support Hoyt Jul 2018 #129

Won't Happen QuantaviousJackson Jul 2018 #29

The Republican party can Iliyah Jul 2018 #30

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Putin takes action against Trump exboyfil Jul 2018 #34

I'm thinking March of next year. Squinch Jul 2018 #37

I bet that indictments for Roger Stone, Don Jr, and Michael Cohen are on the way next Dopers_Greed Jul 2018 #38

I would like to think you're right, PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #39

He'll make a deal. Naturally, it won't be a good one, Ilsa Jul 2018 #40

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A When would be nice lame54 Jul 2018 #45

My guess? One of the following: LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #52

I do not think he will be removed elmac Jul 2018 #47

thats why we need to be ready to take to the streets onetexan Jul 2018 #55

I'd rather take them all to prison. calimary Jul 2018 #49

Wishful thinking redstateblues Jul 2018 #54

House and Senate chicago guy Jul 2018 #61

While that would be nice, it still won't correct an unjust election. Vinca Jul 2018 #64

Ryan is not running for reelection, he is gone come Jan 2019 Hamlette Jul 2018 #123

I know, but if an impeachment should take place prior to that, he's still in the line of succession. Vinca Jul 2018 #131

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Could be - but little good would it do us if Dense Pense takes office instead. sandensea Jul 2018 #67

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Not a chance until we take back the House and Senate. Oneironaut Jul 2018 #69

wishful thinking AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #71

At the end of the day Nixon resigned because he didn't have the votes to thwart conviction/removal DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #81

Hope is a good thing . . . MrModerate Jul 2018 #83

My sympathies sellitman Jul 2018 #88

Too pessimistic Saguaro Jul 2018 #91

I'm a pessimist alright. sellitman Jul 2018 #95

Mueller will be allowed to finish his job and will issue a damning report most Deplorables... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #97

What the Deplorables think of it is irrelevant. Saguaro Jul 2018 #103

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"...no one that loves the USA will be able to ignore that." Saguaro Jul 2018 #114

What's the mechanism to remove Trump from office ? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #115

"Mueller has already indicated he's not going to indict Trump" Saguaro Jul 2018 #116

Let's stipulate he indicts Trump. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #119

"And what are the chances this Supreme Court rules against Trump ?" Saguaro Jul 2018 #121

They unblinkingly upheld his Muslim travel ban. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #124

A travel ban...? Saguaro Jul 2018 #125

It was a simultaneous attack on Muslims and the First Amendment DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #127

Imo, two ways Trump might leave area51 Jul 2018 #92

I would hope so but I fear not... BlueJac Jul 2018 #102

2020 vote or an awakening of the American people... Loge23 Jul 2018 #105

IMHO, the best and realistic scenario DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #110

It is possible, loss of both houses will bring some Republicans to there senses. Hamlette Jul 2018 #128

As things get more heated I believe Trump is going to try to create civil unrest. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #130

New To Democratic Underground elser1939 Jul 2018 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2018 #132

Anything is possible... Stuart G Jul 2018 #134

I was confident he'd be removed after the taxscam passed. ecstatic Jul 2018 #136

Republicans will not vote to impeach him oberliner Jul 2018 #142

I've said that a few times already. LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #143

Yes, I concur oberliner Jul 2018 #144

If Mueller indicts or even implicates Trump in any way for conspiracy against the US... Saguaro Jul 2018 #145

Yes, I think Republicans in Congress will stand by his side oberliner Jul 2018 #148

I disagree...they will force a resignation and then try to elect Pence as an incumbent in 2020. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #175

White wing racists - vast majority of GOPers - will expect nothing less Hoyt Jul 2018 #152

These people are NOT the vast majority of the country, though. Saguaro Jul 2018 #156

Hope you are right, but they should have turned already, if not before Nov 2016. Hoyt Jul 2018 #162

Since there's been no election since Nov 2016... Saguaro Jul 2018 #163

Again, hope you are right. But all this crud was quite apparent before November 2016, yet people Hoyt Jul 2018 #165

As soon as possible yuiyoshida Jul 2018 #146

Anyone waiting for logic or reason to assert itself bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #147

I think you're right karin_sj Jul 2018 #149

I'm not so sure. Calista241 Jul 2018 #151

I certainly hope so jimlup Jul 2018 #153

I hope you're right? Moral Compass Jul 2018 #154

He has a media outlet, SCOTUS, and both houses of congress Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #155

I've been hoarding pallets Bonx Jul 2018 #158

Sadly it would make zero difference in most of our lives Nevernose Jul 2018 #160

And then, there's that Other Possibility Drake Notthesinger Jul 2018 #169

I believe you're absolutely wrong Raine Jul 2018 #171

Now, you're being too pessimistic. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #180

I am so hoping you are correct...I too think he can't survive. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #174

However or whatever... Mike Nelson Jul 2018 #176

even if the president drops dead today-Republicans will keep the same agenda. Sunlei Jul 2018 #182

I agree, and don't worry about the wannabe "cynics" here whathehell Jul 2018 #183

The moment Mueller ties American names (Trump & congressional) players to the 12 Russians it will... usaf-vet Jul 2018 #184