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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders is nothing but a heckler [View all]Ms. Toad
(38,055 posts)550. Take that up with the leaders,
who permitted him to participate in the Democratic primaries. You might have a point if he had been prohibited from running for president in the Democratic primaries. I think participating in the Democratic primaries as a candidate for the highest office in the land gives him a voice.
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So, if I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#12
The real hard core progressives, left, have been critical of him for a very long time
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#111
Considering he is the most popular politician in the country this is simply off base.
Quixote1818
Apr 2018
#362
Don't think Bernie needs much improving, he's ONLY the #1 Democratic presidential hopeful for 2020
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#294
He will be almost 80 years old. He won't win a primary. But the damage he will inflict by even
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#522
We should have some fresh candidates who are not almost 80 years old and who did not have
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#595
In a democracy, any & all credible candidates should be welcome to throw their hat into the ring...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#601
Why would you "shut down" Bernie, who's been named the #1 Democratic presidential hopeful for 2020?
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#606
Yes, if he runs, we lose period. but if he runs as a Democrat and spends his time bashing the party
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#610
I respect your opinion Dems, but I can't believe you think Bernie running as an Independent
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#612
And you think that allowing Sanders to run as a Democrat would avoid that scenario?
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#616
I would like to also add this unreasonable hatred of corporations in the age of United is foolish.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#634
It's called NOT FOR SALE, not hatred of corporations; I expressed not one iota of hatred...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#640
First of all, Obama self- funded as well..Sen Sanders can raise the money...or at least he
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#673
Thanks for mentioning that: "nobody has been held accountable for the lies and war crimes."
SMC22307
Apr 2018
#116
Bernie's right about a lot of things...splains why so many Democrats have been adopting
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#297
Myself included! I hope Bernie discloses at LEAST the last 5 years of his tax returns...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#312
10 years seems excessive. The Dems' proposed bill requires disclosure of only 3 yrs of tax returns.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#586
I agree with the judgment of Congressional Democrats and support their proposal... seems reasonable.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#588
I think that is fair. I think all candidates need to do this but I don't suppose we can make
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#600
There have been dozens of such posts written about both Clintons...and other Democrats.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#49
I could care a less...she has been called worse. She is a private citizen...not running for anything
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#65
Yep! That type of nitpicking is what a prospective buyer and their realtor does...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#394
Democratic leadership feels so *trashed* by Sanders that it appointed him to an outreach position.
SMC22307
Apr 2018
#270
To me, this looks to be a "consolation prize" appointment. I think they might have been hoping...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#467
And who are these "third way ... wall street Dems" who want to "shred the social safety net"??
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#480
Too bad the left did't have Obama's back in 10...and helped give the purse strings
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#526
These thread arise when Sen. Sanders bashes Democrats as he did at the MLK event. Sen. Sanders who
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#525
No Dems, it's a rush to defend him from UNFAIR criticism... For example, if Bernie
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#323
Or maybe try joining the party instead just constantly bashing it. He just said our last 15 years...
brush
Apr 2018
#264
Right on! Most of these anti-Bernie comments are not even remotely close to constructive criticism.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#307
He is not a victim...but I invite you to pull those posts that bash the Clintons
JCanete
Apr 2018
#456
How about a site that lists of his major legislative accomplishments instead?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#470
Do you want one that lists all democratic accomplishments, or just the ones that paint us in a good
JCanete
Apr 2018
#481
and money doesn't have an influence on politics...you certainly can't see its impact...
JCanete
Apr 2018
#509
I don't think I did that at all, but I do appreciate that we aren't getting anywhere, so best of
JCanete
Apr 2018
#515
So, you're saying that until Bernie has "big corrupt money" he won't accomplish anything?
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#554
no, I wasn't saying that. I don't know where you got that from. I do mean that rarely will it be
JCanete
Apr 2018
#558
Sadly though, money is itself a corruption. Arguably even at the small donor level, except that
JCanete
Apr 2018
#566
Sadly, legislation is a team effort. If one distains teamwork, or views **any**
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#570
I don't think that is what we've seen, but I think we can recognize certain behaviors
JCanete
Apr 2018
#573
no I don't. why would I give a shit? Why does that have anything to do with DU? You don't think
JCanete
Apr 2018
#482
You seem to claim that Sanders supporters are all saints and never attacked clinton
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#484
No I don't claim that at all. I'm talking about the atmosphere on DU, and at that,
JCanete
Apr 2018
#486
I do not know tha tmost sanders supporters departed to JPR. Do you have anything to back that up?
JCanete
Apr 2018
#489
good lord. I didn't declare anything near as dramatic. yes I am asking for numbers. How is me saying
JCanete
Apr 2018
#559
"I guess chasing away Ken Burch wasn't enough" --- I have no idea what you're talking about.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#261
I'd better be nice to you Jackie, don't want you chasing me away. Don't want you to make me.....
George II
Apr 2018
#340
You haven't seen bashing here yet if you wen't around for the '16 primary.
fleabiscuit
Apr 2018
#322
Unfortunately, there were many worse posts about Hillary and the posters remain.
yardwork
Apr 2018
#81
LOL! Hillary wrote a 512-page book & has been on a year-long worldwide tour bashing Democrats, among
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#326
Obama for one, criticizing him for not speaking out more on her behalf...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#387
Yes, absolutely, but one shouldn't bash Obama for not doing more about Russian interference.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#492
Okay fine, if that's your standard, then that applies to Bernie... he's just describing things
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#397
Calling Democrats "feeble" and "corrupt" and "ideologically bankrupt" is NOT an example of...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#399
There is a difference between complaining after a loss vs day after day for 30 plus years
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#452
Could you quote a section of Hillary's book where she bashed the Democratic Party?
yardwork
Apr 2018
#384
If Medicare and SS are cut the Dems nor Sanders will have any say in it. The repugs, in case...
brush
Apr 2018
#271
Of course, but if they run everything and put thru cuts is not the fault of the Democratic Party.
brush
Apr 2018
#281
If it pre-dates the 2016 campaign or still has regurgitators now, I'm still not participating.
brush
Apr 2018
#503
Looks like that person can't respond to my question. I really wanted to know, too.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#507
There were (are) some here who use their boasts to insinuate that Democratic candidates...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#510
I saw you post yesterday that it's illegal for candidates to accecpt corporate donations.
betsuni
Apr 2018
#511
He's not a Democrat. He criticizes the party as much as he does trump (O charismatic and...
brush
Apr 2018
#269
Criticism that divides the party is good? Why not actually join the party and work within to...
brush
Apr 2018
#436
Let him stay an independent then and stop trying to head the Democratic Party ticket.
brush
Apr 2018
#494
Your point is EXTREMELY well taken... I just take issue with referring to this site as a joke...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#303
Nope, the WP article wasn't a poll, the actual polls have Biden polling better than Sanders
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#321
As someone posted upthread, now that Obama's no longer in office we cant hold feet to the fire
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#309
No politician has told the truth about the state of our country and our world,
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#6
Dogs have four legs and fur. Therefore all animals with four legs and fur are dogs.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#33
In my last college class now 46 years ago we were addressed by our student advisor. He said....
George II
Apr 2018
#57
If any solution starts off with the phrase "All ya need to do is---," then you can...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#64
Come on. If Sanders presidential run had the impact on young people that you claim, he would have
lunamagica
Apr 2018
#188
What, do they all tell you they are there because of Sanders, are they wearing his t shirts
lunamagica
Apr 2018
#200
Oh, it was the DNC. whic allowerd him to become a Democrat overnight so he could use its
lunamagica
Apr 2018
#242
Ya, Oregon was established by racists. It still voted with that mentality.
fleabiscuit
Apr 2018
#367
A good point, and I think nationalization of business, with very few exceptions,
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#576
that interview was very disappointing, I was so surprised how poorly he did as he always seemed
Exotica
Apr 2018
#532
I get that Bernie's criticism of the Democratic Party attracts those who want reform and real change
MaryMagdaline
Apr 2018
#127
In other words, the Democratic Party consists of neoliberals in the pocket of corporations and
betsuni
Apr 2018
#378
If you dont acknowledge that BOTH major parties have existed to serve big capital,
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#540
The difference is big capital. You may know G.K. Chestertons quote about the problem of Capitalism,
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#549
Wow I just read a post here, not sure how that is possible, that calls
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#455
He complains about Democrats and has vague policies with no details that in my opinion are
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#52
The reason he gets treated this way is because he's done other things besides bring new people in.
DanTex
Apr 2018
#439
When someone calls the Democratic party "corrupt" or "feeble" or "ideologically bankrupt"...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#53
I've tried making this point forever and a day... WE NEED TO UNITE AGAINST OUR COMMON ENEMY!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#333
So now we have Hillary supporters who have worked themselves into such hatred of Bernie
BeyondGeography
Apr 2018
#181
LOL! Bernie telling voters -- in deep red Texas -- to not vote for Republicans...
SMC22307
Apr 2018
#207
Yes, every person including Bernie should be saying NOTHING negative about D
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#119
I read the book and that is not really true...but no matter what Hillary is a Democrat. Sen. Sanders
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#528
Bernie may caucus with us but he has gone out of his way to remain an independent and is not a
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#597
Bernie is for all intents & purposes a Democrat... aside from caucusing with the Democrats,
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#603
Bernie Sanders will tell you he is an independent...voting has nothing to do with it.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#605
As would barring Bernie from running in the 2020 primary as a Democrat...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#607
We will lose either way I think. I would take barring Sen. Sanders as I believe it would be less
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#609
Certainly someone like Bernie who caucuses w/ Democrats & reliably votes w/the majority of Democrats
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#621
That's the standard you believe should be used to determine whether someone runs as a Dem?
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#622
You're reading an awful lot into what I said... not every statement is mutually exclusive.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#623
Absent a ballot access law on tax returns, it is hard to keep a candidate off the ballot
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#624
Hes not an ally - hes an adversary who uses our resources to advance his interests, some of which
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#43
What you just said is provable fact. I wish we could talk about the people who are
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#120
If we wouldn't stand quietly while the GOP smears our party, why should we remain silent...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#234
Calling out his bad behavior is not bashing. It's holding him accountable. It's helpful criticism.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#276
None of these are insults, smears, or attacks, nor does calling him a heckler address them
Ms. Toad
Apr 2018
#289
Are they not grasping that Democrats fully control only six states, an historic low?
SMC22307
Apr 2018
#288
The Party is not his Party and it diminishes our electoral chances. He is not a Democrat and should
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#534
Well that was last time...and in my opinion he should have not been allowed to run...a run as an
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#599
Sen. Sanders brings it on himself by both his words and his actions recently
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#529
Sanders proposals and platform had no chance of being adopted in the real world
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#94
They were not enough...in 16 and won't be in 20...oh sure they can help elect the GOP by acting as
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#531
When Sanders was what, Senator or Congressperson? Which of those two positions
JCanete
Apr 2018
#375
you help to perpetuate the real world, as is. The republicans are content to reshape it to their
JCanete
Apr 2018
#405
how am I proving the premise of the op? Why don't you tell me what I said that was untrue? If
JCanete
Apr 2018
#408
I'll just say Goth, I wish you all the luck in the world. I don't think its the right approach. I
JCanete
Apr 2018
#417
holy shit...are we on repeat here? I already went into why that's a dumb argument...but you hold
JCanete
Apr 2018
#418
Do you really want to compare Clinton's accomplishments in the senate to Sanders?
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#447
I asked you a question...do you have answer? Yes, Clinton has a range of political accomplishments.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#449
You know what....if that's what you care about, I hope you have a shiny trophy your ready to dust
JCanete
Apr 2018
#453
I don't even know what to do with that. So your saying Sanders hasn't brought more people into the
JCanete
Apr 2018
#462
"I know that there are a lot more grass roots efforts popping up to fight in primaries,"
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#547
Specifically relating to Our Revolution, Wolf Pack, other professed "berniecrats"
JCanete
Apr 2018
#553
next time link to evidence of that attack, so I can evaulate it for myself. By the way, what's a
JCanete
Apr 2018
#627
Candidate for Congress admits arrest for cocaine when he was a teenager, riling Fort Bend race
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#637
It's amusing that you would use anything to belittle me in an effort to prove that you're right.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#663
Here is some on the candidate that was attacked by the Our Revolution assholes
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#694
The attacks on Sri Kulkarni have been well documented right here on DU, and most....
George II
Apr 2018
#641
I was just told that the Our Revolution told a group that Sri was "not one of us"
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#681
I'm really not surprised. Of course they'll say it was a "rogue chapter", but it is being done.....
George II
Apr 2018
#684
I think that attribution for "impact" needs to be factually attributed. It's definitely cumulative.
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#416
I do not understand why some politicians take such pride at accomplishing nothing...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#409
I've addressed your version of "nothing" in plenty of posts ad nauseum, but I wouldn't expect
JCanete
Apr 2018
#421
If I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#426
Do you think it's helpful to call Democrats "feeble" or "corrupt" or "ideologically bankrupt"?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#122
I dont know how many will demand we APPEAL to them to get them to help us remove
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#123
My concern is exactly what you just so aptly described. Some of us will vote for the Democratic
KPN
Apr 2018
#145
Links please. I have not seen Sanders say those things anywhere. I have and do see, however,
KPN
Apr 2018
#136
I think if you believe it, you should say it. I don't think its helpful to pretend that something is
JCanete
Apr 2018
#153
Are you among those who criticized Hillary for speaking truth about Trump supporters a few weeks ago
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#424
If you'd like I'll link to you my response regarding Clinton and what she said about
JCanete
Apr 2018
#435
I think it is hypocritical to criticize Democrats for saying things that Trump voters may find
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#445
Well I just described some differences. What about those do you disagree with? Otherwise,
JCanete
Apr 2018
#451
In the real world, the Texas Democratic Party used to waste a ton of money on this theory
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#565
In htat real world scenario, I might take issue with how they tried to do it. I see how they
JCanete
Apr 2018
#567
"But he doesn't work with others to accomplish it." -- Agreed! It's always ...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#414
Bernie ran a campaign without the use of corporate money. Therein lies his sin.
jalan48
Apr 2018
#124
My problems with Bernie have nothing to do with whether he took corporate money
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#133
Your problems, or lack-there-of, with our other candidates have nothing to do with
JCanete
Apr 2018
#162
There are numerous articles on who funded the 2016 election. Google and you can see for
jalan48
Apr 2018
#164
Google it yourself! "Corporations and unions are banned from donating money directly to candidates
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#267
The only strange thing is your not so transparent attempt to tie Bernie to the Russians.
jalan48
Apr 2018
#217
Well then, I'm sure Mueller will be all over it. Let's see what his report says.
jalan48
Apr 2018
#221
Any Democratic candidate who refuses to provide their returns need to be excluded from the ballot
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#355
Your first statement isn't 100% accurate, and your last one is implying that....
George II
Apr 2018
#243
Ya think?! Of course big business & Wall Street expect it. Bernie set the bar high
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#357
It's largely a ceremonial role that has little or no real or meaningful impact on party business.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#159
Totally insulting and off base. If he were wrong about his complaints...and why don't you
JCanete
Apr 2018
#138
It truly depends on how you define it. I define an outsider as somebody who isn't in the click...who
JCanete
Apr 2018
#373
That doesn't make him an insider. Every mesasure that people here would use to bash him
JCanete
Apr 2018
#406
how? where are my contradicitions? Okay wow....so something that just happened recently
JCanete
Apr 2018
#516
Well for starters its hard to nail this down when so much of the language here, when its convenient,
JCanete
Apr 2018
#518
You do realize that the premise of this thread is that Sanders is an outsider with no
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#569
fucking a....except that my first post literally address why the presmise is bullshit, and since you
JCanete
Apr 2018
#629
Ask them why dont they want to see the same number of years and extent of tax returns
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#653
Oh no, dont think he will, but someone will. They better. Or we better get the info
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#661
I like living in the real world and in the real world need to have realistic proposals
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#662
I wanted to find a list of his major legislative accomplishments were... but nobody wanted to reply.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#664
well you could have asked for clarification, but I get that that's not what you're going for.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#478
No, I'm not. The op is saying "nothing but a heckler" which would suggest no value. I
JCanete
Apr 2018
#574
How does sanders' proposals have any value without a magical voter revolution?
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#583
how does being in opposition to a voter revolution have any value? But I've said over and over how
JCanete
Apr 2018
#584
That doesn't make any sense Effie...hell our society continues to make whole races outsiders. Would
JCanete
Apr 2018
#628
Sanders is put there by his constituents, not by the other people in congress. There
JCanete
Apr 2018
#660
Because we have a two party system, a heckling "outsider" benefits the other party.
honest.abe
Apr 2018
#383
No it doesn't. It benefits our party to create an environment where the groundworks is laid down
JCanete
Apr 2018
#402
Perhaps.. but during the intervention I think bashing the person as a failure..
honest.abe
Apr 2018
#485
I'll give you that it is indelicate. Its a conversation that's been going on for years though...nt
JCanete
Apr 2018
#487
The Senate Steering and Outreach committee is about setting the Democratic agenda in the Senate
tammywammy
Apr 2018
#236
Hey, I just found this cool Trash This thread button. Let me see what it does.
CentralMass
Apr 2018
#178
Thank God someone has finally found the courage to criticize Bernie Sanders on DU
Still In Wisconsin
Apr 2018
#179
Ive been arguing upthread, trying to make a reasonable case against this echo chamber.
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#195
Corporations and unions are banned from donating money directly to candidates.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#245
Its becoming apparent that Sanders main goal is to destroy the existing Democratic party..
honest.abe
Apr 2018
#250
He is. It is. They do. It is. It will. It will. He does. He should. He will. They are. It is.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#286
Nope, it's holding feet to the fire. Remember that? Or was that just for Obama? nt
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#314
I'd like to thank Bernie Sanders for everything he does to support our veterans.
democrank
Apr 2018
#272
Whether we do that or not doesn't change the truth. Your post is a distraction. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#313
Just one of many issues Bernie has led on... his support of our veterans is second to none!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#332
Interesting. It seems that someone's "second to none" boast isn't entirely accurate.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#386
So, if I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#385
Why doesnt anyone take you up on this? I tried with a thread of my own, but when
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#460
Threads like this on an anonymous, rather obscure message board will have nothing to do with whether
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#427
Exactly! The post you're responding to is echoing a common (but flawed) theme...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#442
It's so ''American'' to use football analogies for political converse. Perhaps that's what's wrong.
YOHABLO
Apr 2018
#354
The fact is this person they are discussing has TREMENDOUS influence over MILLIONS
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#461
It's beyond belief that we've had over a YEAR of this pathetic, petty, divisive bullshit.
Kentonio
Apr 2018
#530
It is past time for Sen. Sanders to bow out of the 2020 presidential race for the good of the
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#536
666 replies is bad luck. Also I like Bernie although I think he's flawed. nt
el_bryanto
Apr 2018
#667