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Gothmog

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459. Where did I make stuff up?

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:09 PM

Apr 2018

I quoted Sanders describing his magical voter revolution. Do you need more quotes from Sanders. I have the exit polls that show that no new voters showed up and that Sanders in effect got the same vote as Dean did in 2004 and Bradley did in 2000. I live in the real world where facts are important.

In the real world, magic and magical thinking does not work. Any proposal that relies on magical thinking is nothing more than a rant and proves the premise of the OP. The GOP had no fear of Sanders and would ignore sanders just as the GOP has ignored sanders during his time in Congress and the Senate. Without a magical voter revolution, sanders was engaging in heckling as noted in the OP.

The real world is a nice place. It takes hard work on the ground to change things. In 2016, Harris County turned so blue that the GOP abolished straight ticket voting to stop the Democrats from sweeping down ballot races. I volunteer in the real world on voter protection issues. In past cycles we had to sue the GOP official in charge of voter registration to get sufficient voter registration forms in languages other than English. In 2016, one of the persons who I trained as a poll watcher in 2012 was elected to this position and now we have no issues registering voters.

Change in the real world is hard. Magic does not work

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Bernie Sanders is nothing but a heckler [View all] maxrandb Apr 2018 OP

Yep! ALL HAT and no cattle! democratisphere Apr 2018 #1

The term fits Gothmog Apr 2018 #37

Why are there 2 of these posts posted by the same person? Farmer-Rick Apr 2018 #139

Why are there 2 of these post, posted by he same person? Farmer-Rick Apr 2018 #143

An old term...haven't heard that in a while. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #535

It is also an amusing blog Gothmog Apr 2018 #560

Haha...great...thanks. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #598

He was mostly dismissed as a crank long ago Renew Deal Apr 2018 #2

This is the problem. sarah FAILIN Apr 2018 #3

I choose to applaud your post. Thank you. Trust Buster Apr 2018 #36

Correct. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #228

Nailed it! NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #562

Since he is not a Democrat it should not be a violation. LiberalFighter Apr 2018 #688

So, if I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #12

The real hard core progressives, left, have been critical of him for a very long time Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #111

That's a tough one. fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #293

Thank you for looking Gothmog Apr 2018 #345

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #98

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #185

Many people agree with your observations... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #214

Considering he is the most popular politician in the country this is simply off base. Quixote1818 Apr 2018 #362

Keep saying he's the most popular politician NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #564

Bernie bash thread #1,429... borrrrriiiiing!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #4

WAKEUP! democratisphere Apr 2018 #5

haha sorry... it's a rehash of the same old crap. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #292

Ya mean like Bernie's constant bashing of the Democratic party? Adrahil Apr 2018 #420

But Democrat-bashing thread #3,000,000,000,000,000 is great! betsuni Apr 2018 #8

Yep, that is just criticism which is always good treestar Apr 2018 #87

It's "constructive criticism" then mcar Apr 2018 #140

Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #10

Yeah, what happened to all the "holding feet to the fire"? betsuni Apr 2018 #15

+1 puts it well treestar Apr 2018 #90

Don't think Bernie needs much improving, he's ONLY the #1 Democratic presidential hopeful for 2020 InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #294

Who's Aaron Blake? nt fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #301

Mr. Garvey will explain it to you. spooky3 Apr 2018 #347

You done messed up A Ron! lol fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #359

I do feel empowered to make my own list now. fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #361

:-) spooky3 Apr 2018 #363

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2018 #302

That poll is based solely on name recognition Gothmog Apr 2018 #346

He will be almost 80 years old. He won't win a primary. But the damage he will inflict by even Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #522

So whom shall we coronate? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #580

We should have some fresh candidates who are not almost 80 years old and who did not have Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #595

In a democracy, any & all credible candidates should be welcome to throw their hat into the ring... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #601

He is not a Democrat and has no right to get the Democratic nomination. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #602

Why would you "shut down" Bernie, who's been named the #1 Democratic presidential hopeful for 2020? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #606

Yes, if he runs, we lose period. but if he runs as a Democrat and spends his time bashing the party Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #610

I respect your opinion Dems, but I can't believe you think Bernie running as an Independent InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #612

I agree with Dems EffieBlack Apr 2018 #614

Ralph Nader didn't suck up resources or cause confusion... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #615

And you think that allowing Sanders to run as a Democrat would avoid that scenario? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #616

Yes. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #617

Wow. Ok. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #618

I would like to also add this unreasonable hatred of corporations in the age of United is foolish. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #634

It's called NOT FOR SALE, not hatred of corporations; I expressed not one iota of hatred... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #640

First of all, Obama self- funded as well..Sen Sanders can raise the money...or at least he Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #673

A thread about Assad gassing civilians... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #14

Whataboutism betsuni Apr 2018 #19

not G_j Apr 2018 #39

Nope. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #46

Yes. betsuni Apr 2018 #54

In a way, it reminds me of... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #104

Yep Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #112

Huh? Reality check: Who's doing the heckling with this OP? KPN Apr 2018 #161

No. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #110

Adorable. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #186

snide remark duly noted G_j Apr 2018 #209

It's a quote... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #212

Havent the slightest idea what you are talking about G_j Apr 2018 #218

Obviously. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #222

Im obviously G_j Apr 2018 #226

There's plenty of non sequiturs to go around. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #299

If it isn't whataboutism, then it is deflection. TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #197

This! G_j Apr 2018 #20

It is sad. Bernie was right about not invading Iraq... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #76

I cant imagine what it would have been like G_j Apr 2018 #100

Thanks for mentioning that: "nobody has been held accountable for the lies and war crimes." SMC22307 Apr 2018 #116

It's outrageous when you stop to really think about it. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #300

That's one of many words for it. So tonight I'm watching the news... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #499

Bernie's right about a lot of things...splains why so many Democrats have been adopting InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #297

Everyone is going to expect tax returns. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #308

Myself included! I hope Bernie discloses at LEAST the last 5 years of his tax returns... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #312

That would be only a year before he ran in 16...at least 10 years. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #524

Agree 100%. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #543

10 years seems excessive. The Dems' proposed bill requires disclosure of only 3 yrs of tax returns. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #586

I don't understand the problem. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #587

I agree with the judgment of Congressional Democrats and support their proposal... seems reasonable. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #588

Lol. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #589

I think that is fair. I think all candidates need to do this but I don't suppose we can make Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #600

If a post like this was written about Hillary mountain grammy Apr 2018 #44

There have been dozens of such posts written about both Clintons...and other Democrats. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #49

"Hillary Clinton is nothing but a heckler" DLevine Apr 2018 #56

Agree. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #60

I could care a less...she has been called worse. She is a private citizen...not running for anything Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #65

I am also a life-long Democrat. DLevine Apr 2018 #70

"these Bernie-bashing threads" -- Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #79

Thank you NurseJackie MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #114

+1000! mcar Apr 2018 #148

Exactly! Its like someone wanting your house R B Garr Apr 2018 #175

Yep! That type of nitpicking is what a prospective buyer and their realtor does... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #394

Agreed LiberalFighter Apr 2018 #689

This Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #82

"Richest 1% on target to own two-thirds of all weath by 2030" SMC22307 Apr 2018 #146

"Or is your hatred blinding you"? I'd say that's a yes. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2018 #180

And what has Bernie *done* about this? dansolo Apr 2018 #238

Democratic leadership feels so *trashed* by Sanders that it appointed him to an outreach position. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #270

To me, this looks to be a "consolation prize" appointment. I think they might have been hoping... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #467

And who are these "third way ... wall street Dems" who want to "shred the social safety net"?? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #480

Too bad the left did't have Obama's back in 10...and helped give the purse strings Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #526

+1,000,000!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #310

These thread arise when Sen. Sanders bashes Democrats as he did at the MLK event. Sen. Sanders who Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #525

No Dems, it's a rush to defend him from UNFAIR criticism... For example, if Bernie InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #323

Yup. shanny Apr 2018 #69

... mcar Apr 2018 #149

I LOLd too R B Garr Apr 2018 #198

Ha! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #219

+1 fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #315

Or maybe try joining the party instead just constantly bashing it. He just said our last 15 years... brush Apr 2018 #264

The old saying "no good deed goes unpunished" comes to mind. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #318

Really? sheshe2 Apr 2018 #341

It is constructive, it tells Bernie he is not accomplishing treestar Apr 2018 #92

The hell he isn't. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #169

I don't think Bernie has made any inroads in Texas treestar Apr 2018 #171

Then you didn't listen to the Texas townhall participants. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #182

I have been to town halls in Texas Gothmog Apr 2018 #400

Back to reality. He was in Texas to promote his Our Revolution. R B Garr Apr 2018 #692

Really? I live in Texas and have not seen this Gothmog Apr 2018 #353

Absolutely. KTM Apr 2018 #106

Right on! Most of these anti-Bernie comments are not even remotely close to constructive criticism. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #307

It wouldn't be true.. Hillary is not a Cha Apr 2018 #331

I thought the same thing. LisaM Apr 2018 #374

The reason why there are no posts about Hillary all american girl Apr 2018 #642

No. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #77

He is not a victim...but I invite you to pull those posts that bash the Clintons JCanete Apr 2018 #456

How about a site that lists of his major legislative accomplishments instead? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #470

Do you want one that lists all democratic accomplishments, or just the ones that paint us in a good JCanete Apr 2018 #481

Well, what I'm hearing is a lot of excuse-making. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #496

and money doesn't have an influence on politics...you certainly can't see its impact... JCanete Apr 2018 #509

Changing the subject and moving the goalposts. Yeah... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #514

I don't think I did that at all, but I do appreciate that we aren't getting anywhere, so best of JCanete Apr 2018 #515

So, you're saying that until Bernie has "big corrupt money" he won't accomplish anything? ehrnst Apr 2018 #554

no, I wasn't saying that. I don't know where you got that from. I do mean that rarely will it be JCanete Apr 2018 #558

Strawman.... ehrnst Apr 2018 #561

Sadly though, money is itself a corruption. Arguably even at the small donor level, except that JCanete Apr 2018 #566

Sadly, legislation is a team effort. If one distains teamwork, or views **any** ehrnst Apr 2018 #570

I don't think that is what we've seen, but I think we can recognize certain behaviors JCanete Apr 2018 #573

I think that's exactly what we've seen. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #581

Why did sanders campaign on the concept of a magical voter revolution? Gothmog Apr 2018 #633

Do you want a list of JPR posts attacking clinton? Gothmog Apr 2018 #477

no I don't. why would I give a shit? Why does that have anything to do with DU? You don't think JCanete Apr 2018 #482

You seem to claim that Sanders supporters are all saints and never attacked clinton Gothmog Apr 2018 #484

No I don't claim that at all. I'm talking about the atmosphere on DU, and at that, JCanete Apr 2018 #486

You do know that most of the sanders supporters departed DU for JPR Gothmog Apr 2018 #488

I do not know tha tmost sanders supporters departed to JPR. Do you have anything to back that up? JCanete Apr 2018 #489

Are you asking for numbers to quantify something now? ehrnst Apr 2018 #555

good lord. I didn't declare anything near as dramatic. yes I am asking for numbers. How is me saying JCanete Apr 2018 #559

Yep. A couple of weeks ago a very kind person... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #80

"Bernie-bashing threads dominating GD" -- Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #97

LOL Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #99

I've noticed a new trend among the anti-Sanders crowd... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #174

Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #177

It's like elementary school where you and your best buds... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #183

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2018 #184

I guess chasing away Ken Burch wasn't enough Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #252

"I guess chasing away Ken Burch wasn't enough" --- I have no idea what you're talking about. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #261

Wow, I had no idea you were so powerful Jackie! mcar Apr 2018 #324

Just lucky I guess. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #327

Reality is a thing of beauty, Jackie! Cha Apr 2018 #330

I'd better be nice to you Jackie, don't want you chasing me away. Don't want you to make me..... George II Apr 2018 #340

LOL Gothmog Apr 2018 #351

Did you wish Ken into the cornfield? FSogol Apr 2018 #537

LOL! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #538

LOL. TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #265

Ding ding ding! sheshe2 Apr 2018 #311

Well THAT is very interesting. Thanks for the update and factual info... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #382

You're welcome. TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #523

I miss engaging with Ken Gothmog Apr 2018 #563

So true... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #305

Remember the Stockholm syndrome post? KitSileya Apr 2018 #679

Yes. betsuni Apr 2018 #687

I also remember that sad and weak post Gothmog Apr 2018 #690

You haven't seen bashing here yet if you wen't around for the '16 primary. fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #322

Chasing Away Ken Burch. betsuni Apr 2018 #539

I did not. sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #379

Unfortunately, there were many worse posts about Hillary and the posters remain. yardwork Apr 2018 #81

Ah yes. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #317

in the election season of 2016 treestar Apr 2018 #89

Hillary is a Democrat. And she doesn't devote time... LuvLoogie Apr 2018 #135

LOL! Hillary wrote a 512-page book & has been on a year-long worldwide tour bashing Democrats, among InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #326

What Democrats did she bash? radical noodle Apr 2018 #368

Obama for one, criticizing him for not speaking out more on her behalf... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #387

When I read the book radical noodle Apr 2018 #440

Yes, absolutely, but one shouldn't bash Obama for not doing more about Russian interference. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #492

I don't think that's what it did radical noodle Apr 2018 #493

For the most part absolutely... much like Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #590

Not at all like Bernie eom radical noodle Apr 2018 #594

No outrage because there was no Democrat-bashing. betsuni Apr 2018 #369

See post #387 above. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #389

Um, describing things that happen in real life isn't bashing. betsuni Apr 2018 #391

Okay fine, if that's your standard, then that applies to Bernie... he's just describing things InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #397

Calling Democrats "feeble" and "corrupt" and "ideologically bankrupt" is NOT an example of... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #399

There is a difference between complaining after a loss vs day after day for 30 plus years Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #452

If so, prove it. Give evidence that Democrats are corrupt and failures, betsuni Apr 2018 #401

Could you quote a section of Hillary's book where she bashed the Democratic Party? yardwork Apr 2018 #384

See post #387 above. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #388

I'm on my phone and can't see post numbers. Could you link? yardwork Apr 2018 #443

I have a feeling quoting is out of the question. betsuni Apr 2018 #392

"year-long worldwide tour bashing Democrats" -- LOL! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #390

I especially like the little detail of "521-page book" betsuni Apr 2018 #393

You cannot be serious mcar Apr 2018 #147

Yes... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #320

I remember when people left this site to form another mcar Apr 2018 #325

Yes... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #329

Yep. Jerry Springer politics. jalan48 Apr 2018 #95

We can get that on social media, Twitter especially. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #191

Exactly. KPN Apr 2018 #130

And when SS and Medicare are cut... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #194

I'm guessing your guess is a good one. KPN Apr 2018 #199

If Medicare and SS are cut the Dems nor Sanders will have any say in it. The repugs, in case... brush Apr 2018 #271

Who could forget that? Dems do have a voice... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #280

Of course, but if they run everything and put thru cuts is not the fault of the Democratic Party. brush Apr 2018 #281

I'll wait to see how votes are cast before I assign blame. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #284

Wall Street Dems? Sounds like 2016 divisive rhetoric from a certain camp. brush Apr 2018 #342

YIKES , this shit is starting AGAIN Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #454

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #497

I'm not going there with regurgitating this 2016 campaign divisiveness brush Apr 2018 #498

FFS, this isn't new to 2016. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #502

If it pre-dates the 2016 campaign or still has regurgitators now, I'm still not participating. brush Apr 2018 #503

Oh no! Which ones? Which Democrats are you talking about? Please tell us! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #500

I keep asking and never get an answer. Who are these terrible Democrats? betsuni Apr 2018 #506

Looks like that person can't respond to my question. I really wanted to know, too. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #507

This "Wall Street Dems" business is fucking ridiculous. betsuni Apr 2018 #508

There were (are) some here who use their boasts to insinuate that Democratic candidates... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #510

I saw you post yesterday that it's illegal for candidates to accecpt corporate donations. betsuni Apr 2018 #511

He's not a Democrat. He criticizes the party as much as he does trump (O charismatic and... brush Apr 2018 #269

Yep, pushback based in defensiveness as KPN Apr 2018 #432

Criticism that divides the party is good? Why not actually join the party and work within to... brush Apr 2018 #436

Oh for goodness sakes. Stop with the criticizing KPN Apr 2018 #448

And that won in 2016? Short memory. brush Apr 2018 #464

You assume we lost because Sanders ran in 2016. KPN Apr 2018 #491

Let him stay an independent then and stop trying to head the Democratic Party ticket. brush Apr 2018 #494

You are welcome to your opinion as is KPN Apr 2018 #495

Your point is EXTREMELY well taken... I just take issue with referring to this site as a joke... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #303

Hillary was the leading contender back in 2014 EffieBlack Apr 2018 #319

Nope, the WP article wasn't a poll, the actual polls have Biden polling better than Sanders stevenleser Apr 2018 #321

Why has the word "coronation" just popped back into my mind? TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #360

I guess "it is [his] turn" KitSileya Apr 2018 #438

As someone posted upthread, now that Obama's no longer in office we cant hold feet to the fire stevenleser Apr 2018 #309

You must have missed some in your count. (n/t) Jim Lane Apr 2018 #26

I guess that would go along with his Democratic Party bash #1430? George II Apr 2018 #58

If it's good for the Hillary, it's good for the Bernie treestar Apr 2018 #88

it is not boring, it is the truth. trueblue2007 Apr 2018 #190

Exactly Owl Apr 2018 #287

No politician has told the truth about the state of our country and our world, Ron Green Apr 2018 #6

Aw. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #9

Have you not seen your local party grown and energized Ron Green Apr 2018 #13

So, that's all his doing, huh? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #18

Yeah, thats what happened in my county. I suspect Ron Green Apr 2018 #25

Dogs have four legs and fur. Therefore all animals with four legs and fur are dogs. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #33

Your flippant responses with rolling laughers and all that Ron Green Apr 2018 #40

Nothing about what Bernie has accomplished or the details of what Blue_true Apr 2018 #45

In my last college class now 46 years ago we were addressed by our student advisor. He said.... George II Apr 2018 #57

If any solution starts off with the phrase "All ya need to do is---," then you can... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #64

It is political will. That has to come from people. And since Sanders Ron Green Apr 2018 #109

LOL! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #125

Since Trump's election many women and young people are becoming involved Fresh_Start Apr 2018 #128

Yes, and because of how HRC was treated mcar Apr 2018 #157

Come on. If Sanders presidential run had the impact on young people that you claim, he would have lunamagica Apr 2018 #188

I know that, when I ran for office in 2012, there were rarely a dozen Ron Green Apr 2018 #193

What, do they all tell you they are there because of Sanders, are they wearing his t shirts lunamagica Apr 2018 #200

The Parkand phenomenon is weeks old. Ron Green Apr 2018 #225

I'll ask again...if he had such support, why didn't he win? lunamagica Apr 2018 #229

He obviously DID NOT have such support until later. Ron Green Apr 2018 #235

Oh, it was the DNC. whic allowerd him to become a Democrat overnight so he could use its lunamagica Apr 2018 #242

Ya, Oregon was established by racists. It still voted with that mentality. fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #367

Oligarchy is an archaic term that is frequently used in the absence Blue_true Apr 2018 #575

A good point, and I think nationalization of business, with very few exceptions, Ron Green Apr 2018 #576

that interview was very disappointing, I was so surprised how poorly he did as he always seemed Exotica Apr 2018 #532

I get that Bernie's criticism of the Democratic Party attracts those who want reform and real change MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #127

Has American racial equality been fulfilled? Ron Green Apr 2018 #152

As to your first question: no, of course not MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #201

I think that too many Americans, including many on DU, Ron Green Apr 2018 #215

Much to consider. Thank you MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #306

...even if that means abandoning some previous connections. fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #370

In other words, the Democratic Party consists of neoliberals in the pocket of corporations and betsuni Apr 2018 #378

Correct me if I am wrong, didnt he call every living democrat a liar? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #457

If you dont acknowledge that BOTH major parties have existed to serve big capital, Ron Green Apr 2018 #540

The United States is a capitalist country, always will be. DUH. betsuni Apr 2018 #541

It is indeed silly! In this context it suggests... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #542

And as for you... Ron Green Apr 2018 #551

The difference is big capital. You may know G.K. Chestertons quote about the problem of Capitalism, Ron Green Apr 2018 #549

So then why doesn't he acknowledge that success? kcr Apr 2018 #68

Yes and no. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #115

Wow I just read a post here, not sure how that is possible, that calls Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #455

Anonymous people. betsuni Apr 2018 #11

lol Cha Apr 2018 #21

But what has he DONE about it? George II Apr 2018 #50

He complains about Democrats and has vague policies with no details that in my opinion are Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #52

The reason he gets treated this way is because he's done other things besides bring new people in. DanTex Apr 2018 #439

That is a MOST EXCELLENT and very accurate description. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #7

You nailed it!!!! nt jrthin Apr 2018 #16

It is fair to criticize him BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #17

Or maxrandb Apr 2018 #27

BINGO!!!!!!! nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #48

When someone calls the Democratic party "corrupt" or "feeble" or "ideologically bankrupt"... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #53

It serves Bernie, the ego. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #101

Agreed. It certainly doesn't benefit Democrats... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #108

Exactly Nurse Jackie!! MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #132

So your apparent solution Nevernose Apr 2018 #62

Maybe President Obama maxrandb Apr 2018 #66

Maybe it should be Nevernose Apr 2018 #72

"and continually bash their leaders?" ... Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #67

Appeal? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #117

I'm right there with you, Eliot mcar Apr 2018 #163

What threat is being posted Nevernose Apr 2018 #173

Look around this board mcar Apr 2018 #176

I perceive it more as a danger warning than a threat Nevernose Apr 2018 #189

This! mcar Apr 2018 #196

You dont have to appeal to me Nevernose Apr 2018 #170

I've tried making this point forever and a day... WE NEED TO UNITE AGAINST OUR COMMON ENEMY!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #333

At least partially, due to Sanders' supporters who treestar Apr 2018 #93

So now we have Hillary supporters who have worked themselves into such hatred of Bernie BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #181

Sad to see, especially when we need to unite against our common ENEMY #1 InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #316

Have you visited the JPR site lately? Gothmog Apr 2018 #474

Excuse me but... vercetti2021 Apr 2018 #22

Yes maxrandb Apr 2018 #28

Who knows? vercetti2021 Apr 2018 #30

LOL! Bernie telling voters -- in deep red Texas -- to not vote for Republicans... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #207

Bernie raising money for Our Revolution in deep red Texas TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #366

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #521

Agreed Gothmog Apr 2018 #591

Right after he said how he 'understands' about those meanies at the DCCC. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #527

Yes, every person including Bernie should be saying NOTHING negative about D Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #119

Someone should have mentioned that to Hillary... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #356

I read the book and that is not really true...but no matter what Hillary is a Democrat. Sen. Sanders Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #528

Bernie is as much a Democrat as most Democrats... more in some cases. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #578

Bernie may caucus with us but he has gone out of his way to remain an independent and is not a Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #597

Bernie is for all intents & purposes a Democrat... aside from caucusing with the Democrats, InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #603

Bernie Sanders will tell you he is an independent...voting has nothing to do with it. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #605

As would barring Bernie from running in the 2020 primary as a Democrat... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #607

We will lose either way I think. I would take barring Sen. Sanders as I believe it would be less Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #609

You may be right... guess I side with more democracy, rather than less. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #611

Do you think anyone who wants to should be able to run as a Democrat? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #619

Certainly someone like Bernie who caucuses w/ Democrats & reliably votes w/the majority of Democrats InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #621

That's the standard you believe should be used to determine whether someone runs as a Dem? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #622

You're reading an awful lot into what I said... not every statement is mutually exclusive. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #623

Absent a ballot access law on tax returns, it is hard to keep a candidate off the ballot Gothmog Apr 2018 #624

Nursing old grudges does nothing to beat republicans lovemydogs Apr 2018 #23

Old grudges. Please wake up. Blue_true Apr 2018 #51

I know mcar Apr 2018 #166

Well said!! (Love my dogs too btw.) InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #608

Someobody should alert maxrandb Martin Eden Apr 2018 #24

Excuse me maxrandb Apr 2018 #31

You're asking the wrong question Martin Eden Apr 2018 #34

Hes not an ally - hes an adversary who uses our resources to advance his interests, some of which EffieBlack Apr 2018 #43

Agreed Gothmog Apr 2018 #84

Well said! smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #102

What you just said is provable fact. I wish we could talk about the people who are Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #120

Exactly how is Bernie helping us win. Blue_true Apr 2018 #55

Bernie Sanders is a US Senator Martin Eden Apr 2018 #71

Bernie caucuses with democrats because he would have no impact otherwise. Blue_true Apr 2018 #83

What has he done for Vermont? Tavarious Jackson Apr 2018 #96

I like Bernie, too janterry Apr 2018 #463

Not according to the TOS Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #192

If we wouldn't stand quietly while the GOP smears our party, why should we remain silent... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #234

You routinely bash Sanders unc70 Apr 2018 #240

"You routinely bash Sanders" -- I do no such thing. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #251

In My Not So Humble Opinion, you do unc70 Apr 2018 #258

No I don't. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #263

There is a difference in pointing out disagreements Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #273

Calling out his bad behavior is not bashing. It's holding him accountable. It's helpful criticism. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #276

But it is not heckling. He is offering criticism of the party's approach. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #278

And we're offering "criticism" in return. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #282

None of these are insults, smears, or attacks, nor does calling him a heckler address them Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #289

Smears and lies. That's all he has. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #290

You really can't have it both ways. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #295

You're exaggerating. I can't take you seriously... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #304

Are they not grasping that Democrats fully control only six states, an historic low? SMC22307 Apr 2018 #288

The Party is not his Party and it diminishes our electoral chances. He is not a Democrat and should Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #534

Take that up with the leaders, Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #550

Well that was last time...and in my opinion he should have not been allowed to run...a run as an Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #599

Somebody already alerted maxrandb. betsuni Apr 2018 #32

yes when posters work to divide us day after day questionseverything Apr 2018 #187

Sen. Sanders brings it on himself by both his words and his actions recently Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #529

And I thank him for being the heckler that he is. aikoaiko Apr 2018 #29

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #35

You nailed it. Dream Girl Apr 2018 #38

I think the Cavs thing is a pretty good analogy. Captain Stern Apr 2018 #41

Did the guy next to you complain about the Cavaliers' "business model"? George II Apr 2018 #42

I don't think you can criticize maxrandb Apr 2018 #47

Well I can't say anything myself, I'm a Knicks fan. George II Apr 2018 #61

O U C H Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #121

Just cilla4progress Apr 2018 #59

Sanders has allowed himself to be used as Trump's stalking horse PubliusEnigma Apr 2018 #63

Oh, this is helpful RandomAccess Apr 2018 #73

Don't we have much bigger fish to fry (than Bernie for the millionth time)? MelissaB Apr 2018 #74

Millions of new voters, young folk, seem to hang on his every word. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #283

'Millions of new voters, young folk, seem to hang on his every word' melman Apr 2018 #371

k and r MariaCSR Apr 2018 #75

A "Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed" kind of guy. DinahMoeHum Apr 2018 #78

It's just a matter of time before he goes all Kucinich on us. MyNameGoesHere Apr 2018 #85

I have to agree treestar Apr 2018 #86

Is there any chance we might get a "Hate Bernie Forum?" Vinca Apr 2018 #91

This is something I could get behind. panader0 Apr 2018 #113

We have one already. A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #277

Sanders proposals and platform had no chance of being adopted in the real world Gothmog Apr 2018 #94

+1000 brer cat Apr 2018 #328

No one has clarified how many new voters sanders needed to adopt his platform Gothmog Apr 2018 #343

And all of his millions of supporters? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #103

They were not enough...in 16 and won't be in 20...oh sure they can help elect the GOP by acting as Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #531

Pay attention to what someone DOES more than what he SAYS. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #105

thanks for also stoking that flame while pretending to objection.... JCanete Apr 2018 #141

Exactly which of these major programs has sanders got through congress? Gothmog Apr 2018 #344

When Sanders was what, Senator or Congressperson? Which of those two positions JCanete Apr 2018 #375

Exactly how did sanders expect to get any of his proppsals adopted Gothmog Apr 2018 #396

So who is the person you would vote for in this scenario? JCanete Apr 2018 #398

I live in the real world Gothmog Apr 2018 #403

you help to perpetuate the real world, as is. The republicans are content to reshape it to their JCanete Apr 2018 #405

So sanders made up his magical voter revolution? Gothmog Apr 2018 #407

how am I proving the premise of the op? Why don't you tell me what I said that was untrue? If JCanete Apr 2018 #408

Sanders campaign on ideas based on a lie about a magical voter revolution Gothmog Apr 2018 #413

I'll just say Goth, I wish you all the luck in the world. I don't think its the right approach. I JCanete Apr 2018 #417

Thank you for proving the accuracy of the premise in the OP Gothmog Apr 2018 #446

I'm glad that Sanders finally came around to HRC's affordable college proposal ehrnst Apr 2018 #410

And I think they all deserve credit and should be redusted off. JCanete Apr 2018 #412

What happened to single payer in Vermont? Gothmog Apr 2018 #415

holy shit...are we on repeat here? I already went into why that's a dumb argument...but you hold JCanete Apr 2018 #418

So sanders had no sway over his home state? Gothmog Apr 2018 #433

Did Cliinton get rid of stop-and-frisk when she was a senator of New York? JCanete Apr 2018 #437

Do you really want to compare Clinton's accomplishments in the senate to Sanders? Gothmog Apr 2018 #447

I asked you a question...do you have answer? Yes, Clinton has a range of political accomplishments. JCanete Apr 2018 #449

I asked you about the magical sanders voter rovolution Gothmog Apr 2018 #450

You know what....if that's what you care about, I hope you have a shiny trophy your ready to dust JCanete Apr 2018 #453

Where did I make stuff up? Gothmog Apr 2018 #459

I don't even know what to do with that. So your saying Sanders hasn't brought more people into the JCanete Apr 2018 #462

I am not going to debate the primary results on this thread Gothmog Apr 2018 #465

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #520

You don't know the numbers, but are making claims that involve those numbers. ehrnst Apr 2018 #519

what claim did I make here that involves numbers? JCanete Apr 2018 #545

"I know that there are a lot more grass roots efforts popping up to fight in primaries," ehrnst Apr 2018 #547

Specifically relating to Our Revolution, Wolf Pack, other professed "berniecrats" JCanete Apr 2018 #553

The Our Revolution group in my county are a bunch of racist idiots Gothmog Apr 2018 #625

next time link to evidence of that attack, so I can evaulate it for myself. By the way, what's a JCanete Apr 2018 #627

Candidate for Congress admits arrest for cocaine when he was a teenager, riling Fort Bend race Gothmog Apr 2018 #637

Very interesting. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #649

It's amusing that you would use anything to belittle me in an effort to prove that you're right. JCanete Apr 2018 #663

I actually know the Our Revolution idiots who did this Gothmog Apr 2018 #665

Here is some on the candidate that was attacked by the Our Revolution assholes Gothmog Apr 2018 #694

The attacks on Sri Kulkarni have been well documented right here on DU, and most.... George II Apr 2018 #641

I was just told that the Our Revolution told a group that Sri was "not one of us" Gothmog Apr 2018 #681

I'm really not surprised. Of course they'll say it was a "rogue chapter", but it is being done..... George II Apr 2018 #684

So far there had been no blowback Gothmog Apr 2018 #686

Local Democrats Infighting Attempts to Smear Sri Kulkarni Gothmog Apr 2018 #680

Is it hypocrisy... or have they "evolved"? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #644

Time will tell Gothmog Apr 2018 #682

Any effort to badger someone into using their full name... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #683

The Our Revolution group made no bones about this was due to race Gothmog Apr 2018 #691

I'm not surprised to learn that the Our Revolution group is racist... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #693

I think that attribution for "impact" needs to be factually attributed. It's definitely cumulative. ehrnst Apr 2018 #416

I do not understand why some politicians take such pride at accomplishing nothing... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #409

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #411

I've addressed your version of "nothing" in plenty of posts ad nauseum, but I wouldn't expect JCanete Apr 2018 #421

Why did Sanders refused to stop attacks on Congressman John Lewis at DNC? Gothmog Apr 2018 #476

THANK you! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #422

If I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #426

Beats me. I haven't found it. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #428

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #548

If this OP is any indication, we are KPN Apr 2018 #107

Do you think it's helpful to call Democrats "feeble" or "corrupt" or "ideologically bankrupt"? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #122

I dont know how many will demand we APPEAL to them to get them to help us remove Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #123

My concern is exactly what you just so aptly described. Some of us will vote for the Democratic KPN Apr 2018 #145

Links please. I have not seen Sanders say those things anywhere. I have and do see, however, KPN Apr 2018 #136

LOL! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #144

What, no links? No clear evidence? Thought so. KPN Apr 2018 #150

Must have been sleeping when all those Cha Apr 2018 #334

I think if you believe it, you should say it. I don't think its helpful to pretend that something is JCanete Apr 2018 #153

Are you among those who criticized Hillary for speaking truth about Trump supporters a few weeks ago EffieBlack Apr 2018 #424

If you'd like I'll link to you my response regarding Clinton and what she said about JCanete Apr 2018 #435

I think it is hypocritical to criticize Democrats for saying things that Trump voters may find EffieBlack Apr 2018 #445

Well I just described some differences. What about those do you disagree with? Otherwise, JCanete Apr 2018 #451

In the real world, the Texas Democratic Party used to waste a ton of money on this theory Gothmog Apr 2018 #565

In htat real world scenario, I might take issue with how they tried to do it. I see how they JCanete Apr 2018 #567

I believe in winning races in the real world Gothmog Apr 2018 #568

He was also a candidate voted for by millions. David__77 Apr 2018 #118

even as a candidate, Bernie was a heckler Fresh_Start Apr 2018 #134

"But he doesn't work with others to accomplish it." -- Agreed! It's always ... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #414

Privilege EffieBlack Apr 2018 #423

"Their lives and futures don't depend on making progress." -- Preach! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #431

Exactly! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #434

I couldn't agree more pandr32 Apr 2018 #579

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #613

Bernie ran a campaign without the use of corporate money. Therein lies his sin. jalan48 Apr 2018 #124

My problems with Bernie have nothing to do with whether he took corporate money EffieBlack Apr 2018 #133

I'm sure that's true. The corporations care though. jalan48 Apr 2018 #137

Your problems, or lack-there-of, with our other candidates have nothing to do with JCanete Apr 2018 #162

Which Democrats accepted "corporate money" to run their campaigns? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #142

There are numerous articles on who funded the 2016 election. Google and you can see for jalan48 Apr 2018 #164

Google it yourself! "Corporations and unions are banned from donating money directly to candidates NurseJackie Apr 2018 #267

Corporations can donate through Super Pacs. jalan48 Apr 2018 #296

You mean like the super pac that supported sanders? Gothmog Apr 2018 #348

Boom. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #468

Too bad he didn't put better use of that money then nini Apr 2018 #167

No one knows what money was used. No reconciliation R B Garr Apr 2018 #202

I look forward to Mueller's report. jalan48 Apr 2018 #204

About the $10 Million?? R B Garr Apr 2018 #205

Yes. And hopefully more info on the American oligarchs as well. jalan48 Apr 2018 #206

The Russian oligarchs are consistently ignored by R B Garr Apr 2018 #213

The only strange thing is your not so transparent attempt to tie Bernie to the Russians. jalan48 Apr 2018 #217

Reality is in the news, though. Not in favored speeches. R B Garr Apr 2018 #220

Well then, I'm sure Mueller will be all over it. Let's see what his report says. jalan48 Apr 2018 #221

There are already plenty of reports about the corruption R B Garr Apr 2018 #291

There will be ballot access laws in a number of blue states Gothmog Apr 2018 #350

I think all Presidential candidates need to show their tax returns. jalan48 Apr 2018 #352

Any Democratic candidate who refuses to provide their returns need to be excluded from the ballot Gothmog Apr 2018 #355

Horseshit. Adrahil Apr 2018 #227

Thank you! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #230

Your first statement isn't 100% accurate, and your last one is implying that.... George II Apr 2018 #243

Ya think?! Of course big business & Wall Street expect it. Bernie set the bar high InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #357

Sanders is not a Democrat, he just hangs out with them and uses the party elocs Apr 2018 #126

His own political agenda? Please tell, what is that agenda? KPN Apr 2018 #156

Ha! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #224

Word. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #223

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #129

Yet another attack on a member of the Democratic leadership left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #131

It's largely a ceremonial role that has little or no real or meaningful impact on party business. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #159

Sorry to state the obvious.. Didn't work. Cha Apr 2018 #336

Lesson learned... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #337

Yeah HOPEFULLY.. That's Cha Apr 2018 #339

Hmm, a job invented for him...in order to woo his supporters ...bad idea. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #533

Totally insulting and off base. If he were wrong about his complaints...and why don't you JCanete Apr 2018 #138

Hear, hear! KPN Apr 2018 #151

bravo dembotoz Apr 2018 #155

! TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #372

It truly depends on how you define it. I define an outsider as somebody who isn't in the click...who JCanete Apr 2018 #373

"It truly depends on how you define it." TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #376

That doesn't make him an insider. Every mesasure that people here would use to bash him JCanete Apr 2018 #406

I can't say what I sum up TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #513

how? where are my contradicitions? Okay wow....so something that just happened recently JCanete Apr 2018 #516

Since you asked I will point it out to you. TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #517

Well for starters its hard to nail this down when so much of the language here, when its convenient, JCanete Apr 2018 #518

You do realize that the premise of this thread is that Sanders is an outsider with no Gothmog Apr 2018 #569

fucking a....except that my first post literally address why the presmise is bullshit, and since you JCanete Apr 2018 #629

You never addressed the premise of the OP Gothmog Apr 2018 #632

Ask them why dont they want to see the same number of years and extent of tax returns Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #653

I believe that a number of blue states will be adopting ballot access laws Gothmog Apr 2018 #654

I assume every person you or I communicate with wants these laws. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #655

I believe in these laws and think that they are constitutional Gothmog Apr 2018 #656

Speaking of, didnt Mueller get these a long time ago, you think? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #657

The best speculation is yes that Mueller has these tax returns Gothmog Apr 2018 #658

Oh no, dont think he will, but someone will. They better. Or we better get the info Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #661

Yeah, that tactic has been tried that with me as well. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #659

I like living in the real world and in the real world need to have realistic proposals Gothmog Apr 2018 #662

I wanted to find a list of his major legislative accomplishments were... but nobody wanted to reply. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #664

I believe Bernie has been in Washington murielm99 Apr 2018 #377

So if you show up at a party and none of the other guests want you there, JCanete Apr 2018 #404

This post makes no sense. murielm99 Apr 2018 #471

well you could have asked for clarification, but I get that that's not what you're going for. JCanete Apr 2018 #478

That is not what I said. murielm99 Apr 2018 #505

You do realize that you are validating the premise of the OP? Gothmog Apr 2018 #571

No, I'm not. The op is saying "nothing but a heckler" which would suggest no value. I JCanete Apr 2018 #574

How does sanders' proposals have any value without a magical voter revolution? Gothmog Apr 2018 #583

how does being in opposition to a voter revolution have any value? But I've said over and over how JCanete Apr 2018 #584

I live in the real world and have actually worked on campaigns Gothmog Apr 2018 #585

If after 30+ years, you're still an outsider, you're not doing it right EffieBlack Apr 2018 #592

That doesn't make any sense Effie...hell our society continues to make whole races outsiders. Would JCanete Apr 2018 #628

I'm not talking about "outsiders" in general EffieBlack Apr 2018 #636

Sanders is put there by his constituents, not by the other people in congress. There JCanete Apr 2018 #660

Because we have a two party system, a heckling "outsider" benefits the other party. honest.abe Apr 2018 #383

No it doesn't. It benefits our party to create an environment where the groundworks is laid down JCanete Apr 2018 #402

Think of it like this.. honest.abe Apr 2018 #469

think of it like this then...sometimes we need an intervention JCanete Apr 2018 #483

Perhaps.. but during the intervention I think bashing the person as a failure.. honest.abe Apr 2018 #485

I'll give you that it is indelicate. Its a conversation that's been going on for years though...nt JCanete Apr 2018 #487

The shame of DU is this acceptance of Bernie bashing. philly_bob Apr 2018 #154

+ a brazillian dembotoz Apr 2018 #160

... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #210

Did you ever see that one show Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #473

Was it called "Skating on Thin Ice" NurseJackie Apr 2018 #475

Nope that isn't it. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #479

Seriously. The Democratic Party places him in an outreach position... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #216

Are you insinuating the entire Bernie or bust movement is fake news? Amimnoch Apr 2018 #232

Really? His constituents depressed the vote KPN Apr 2018 #247

One of many articles on it. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #255

That article is BS. It makes a grand and KPN Apr 2018 #430

So, in short to you it's "Fake news"? Amimnoch Apr 2018 #441

Yeah, read the article you linked. KPN Apr 2018 #444

"Minority and black turnout was not only lower in the national statistics... SMC22307 Apr 2018 #249

No argument at all about plenty to go around. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #257

The Senate Steering and Outreach committee is about setting the Democratic agenda in the Senate tammywammy Apr 2018 #236

LOL! Yeah, you go with that. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #254

What is amazing to me karin_sj Apr 2018 #231

EXACTLY Raine Apr 2018 #285

This Bernie trashing is out of control and serves no useful purpose! karin_sj Apr 2018 #158

Very productive... vi5 Apr 2018 #165

Just Plain Ugly OP. KPN Apr 2018 #168

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2018 #208

LOL. KPN Apr 2018 #244

I don't think you're Cha Apr 2018 #274

Troll bait. moondust Apr 2018 #172

Hey, I just found this cool Trash This thread button. Let me see what it does. CentralMass Apr 2018 #178

Thank God someone has finally found the courage to criticize Bernie Sanders on DU Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #179

Did you forget your sarcasm notice? unc70 Apr 2018 #260

I dont know but however many it is we need more! Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #262

Ive been arguing upthread, trying to make a reasonable case against this echo chamber. Ron Green Apr 2018 #195

If Bernie makes you this angry, you need to look in the mirror. earthshine Apr 2018 #203

I agree with you 100%, and I like the descriptive way you stated it. NBachers Apr 2018 #211

We've got a big tent JackInGreen Apr 2018 #233

"This entire thread is an example of why we lost." -- No it's not. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #237

Because Cheney, Ryan and Cruz do not want the Democratic Party to be Ron Green Apr 2018 #241

LOL! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #253

One might pass that along to BS. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #365

Yup. KPN Apr 2018 #246

So Bernie should accept the "corporatists" and "GOP lite" Dems. honest.abe Apr 2018 #256

And why we're in danger of losing again karin_sj Apr 2018 #358

I like Bernie and Jspur Apr 2018 #239

Corporations and unions are banned from donating money directly to candidates. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #245

Why do you think Bernie never released his tax returns? Adrahil Apr 2018 #419

No responses, I see. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #458

Yes nt Progressive dog Apr 2018 #248

Its becoming apparent that Sanders main goal is to destroy the existing Democratic party.. honest.abe Apr 2018 #250

He is. It is. They do. It is. It will. It will. He does. He should. He will. They are. It is. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #286

If by heckler you mean Lunabell Apr 2018 #259

So much mocking in this thread. Beartracks Apr 2018 #266

Nope, it's holding feet to the fire. Remember that? Or was that just for Obama? nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #314

What? DU members should hold eachother's feet to the fire? Beartracks Apr 2018 #364

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #268

I'd like to thank Bernie Sanders for everything he does to support our veterans. democrank Apr 2018 #272

Yes, but it was an Obama administration review that lit a torch under him. VOX Apr 2018 #275

good catch lunamagica Apr 2018 #279

Perhaps you should contact the American Legion and VFW and demand democrank Apr 2018 #298

Whether we do that or not doesn't change the truth. Your post is a distraction. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #313

Just one of many issues Bernie has led on... his support of our veterans is second to none! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #332

BS was chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee murielm99 Apr 2018 #380

Interesting. It seems that someone's "second to none" boast isn't entirely accurate. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #386

Thank you for this, Muriel.. Cha Apr 2018 #504

So, if I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #385

Why doesnt anyone take you up on this? I tried with a thread of my own, but when Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #460

i love bernie and hate sports and this garbage is boring. Cobalt Violet Apr 2018 #335

threads like this are the reason... cntrfthrs Apr 2018 #338

Threads like this on an anonymous, rather obscure message board will have nothing to do with whether EffieBlack Apr 2018 #427

Exactly! The post you're responding to is echoing a common (but flawed) theme... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #442

Just like so many of today's "activists"! JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #349

It's so ''American'' to use football analogies for political converse. Perhaps that's what's wrong. YOHABLO Apr 2018 #354

K&R Jamaal510 Apr 2018 #381

so true heaven05 Apr 2018 #395

The fact is this person they are discussing has TREMENDOUS influence over MILLIONS Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #461

I can only heaven05 Apr 2018 #472

Rec for truth. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #425

K&R. Paladin Apr 2018 #429

How do threads like this help us win the election this year? IronLionZion Apr 2018 #466

How do Bernie's constant attacks on Democratic Party help? Adrahil Apr 2018 #490

It does just the opposite karin_sj Apr 2018 #512

why is any one wasting time on bernie sanders posts or opinions? beachbum bob Apr 2018 #501

It's beyond belief that we've had over a YEAR of this pathetic, petty, divisive bullshit. Kentonio Apr 2018 #530

It is past time for Sen. Sanders to bow out of the 2020 presidential race for the good of the Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #536

Sorry, but trying to force an alternate reality isnt going R B Garr Apr 2018 #546

We're smarter than we're being given credit for. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #552

Yes, and that is apparently very frustrating for some. R B Garr Apr 2018 #556

Yep Gothmog Apr 2018 #572

Who they are? Kentonio Apr 2018 #593

I could also say the same about Bernie. R B Garr Apr 2018 #596

Reality is the GOP hold the White House, Senate and Congress Kentonio Apr 2018 #626

Another attempt at false realities. R B Garr Apr 2018 #635

+1 betsuni Apr 2018 #638

I only have one more thing to say to you. Kentonio Apr 2018 #639

... betsuni Apr 2018 #643

Sorry! No. No more false realities. R B Garr Apr 2018 #645

"If you continue to attack progressives," -- Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #647

"Anyone attacking Democrats is the real enemy." -- Perfect summary. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #646

And look how the alternate reality is being promoted R B Garr Apr 2018 #685

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #557

Ummm.. disillusioned73 Apr 2018 #544

Bernie Snackshack Apr 2018 #577

Stop it! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #582

I'd call that bashing. ehrnst Apr 2018 #604

Yep. Bashing EffieBlack Apr 2018 #620

I love Bernie! the_sly_pig Apr 2018 #630

That too, but there's also the money he's raising. ucrdem Apr 2018 #631

Really? Tell me more. Who receives the "money he's raising"?? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #650

Yes, that's what makes it more complicated. ucrdem Apr 2018 #671

Fascinating. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #676

Mambo! ucrdem Apr 2018 #677

Always kind of reminded me of.. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #648

Eh... Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #651

I preferred it when never ending threads were about kudzu ("it's going places") DBoon Apr 2018 #652

This is the thread that never dies. nolabear Apr 2018 #666

Congrats of being post 666 for this thread Gothmog Apr 2018 #668

LOL! Just maybe a giggle from the old timers who get the joke. nolabear Apr 2018 #669

My son's law firm's new york office is in 666 Fifth Avenue Gothmog Apr 2018 #670

666 replies is bad luck. Also I like Bernie although I think he's flawed. nt el_bryanto Apr 2018 #667

It didn't last long.. Cha Apr 2018 #672

Hi Cha Gothmog Apr 2018 #674

G'Day, Goth Cha Apr 2018 #675

This is so spot on. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #678

So true. It is very accurate. nt R B Garr Apr 2018 #695

Good ol Max.. Cha Apr 2018 #696

Absolutely. He hit a home run here... R B Garr Apr 2018 #697

Outta the park! To Cha Apr 2018 #698