The Way Forward
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I know a lot here may not want to listen to this, but please listen with an open mind. Remove the "Bernie" tag and just listen to his policies. The democratic party needs to change, and change big time. We cannot continue as we have in the past. If Kamala couldn't do it, there's a huge red flag there. She should have won hands down. This link is amazing. Bringing the working class together is the only way to kill this fascism. Please listen. There's a lot of good stuff in here. The oligarchy is here. We must stop it.
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WarGamer
(16,071 posts)
Faux pas
(15,497 posts)been The Man. 
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,744 posts)
Think. Again.
(20,786 posts)They are the epitome of a pure Democratic Party ideology.
wordstroken
(690 posts)How different things would be if he’d been president the last 8 years.
LilElf70
(654 posts)Mike hit the nail right on the head and drove it home. Very good points.
Just imagine.
Clouds Passing
(3,418 posts)But after 12 years of neocons the Ds move to the right (wrong). Joe is the only one who has moved toward regular people. That’s why hes been smeared and maligned by the media and the neocons in the D party.
LilElf70
(654 posts)it was about the first 3 words of the constitution. WE THE PEOPLE.
His point about Mexico's new president was right on.
JohnSJ
(97,074 posts)VP Harris.
Clouds Passing
(3,418 posts)JohnSJ
(97,074 posts)Biden, and I was pointing out it wasn't just what you refer to as "neocons" in the D party, but there were members in the D progressive caucus who not only maligned Biden, but also went out of their way publicly announce that they would NOT endorse Biden and subsequently Harris in the November 5 election.
that is a similar problem that occurred in the 2016 general election, where those with that same thinking refused to vote for Hillary in the general election by either not voting or voting third party, and it didn't take much to effect the election.
The Democratic party has always been an inclusive party, and that has been its strength and weakness, and the weakness is when those within the party instead of coming together in spite of some differences, take their marbles and walk away.
The modern Democratic party since Kennedy in general has always stood for Civil RIghts, Workers RIghts, Women's rights, the environment, social security, medicare, healthcare rights, a fair minimum wage, etc. etc. etc., and there is no ambiguity on those issues where the Democratic party stands verses the republicans.
hedda_foil
(16,589 posts)Clouds Passing
(3,418 posts)I see economic globalists are either way neo conservative or neo liberal. It all means disempower the 98%. Empower the 2%
hedda_foil
(16,589 posts)JohnSJ
(97,074 posts)2016 refused to vote for Hillary in the general election, along with others such as susan sarandon, and why did they encourage others to do likewise? His judgement was too good when he picked those people it seems, and there was no ambiguity what was at stake then, THE SUPRME COURT.
It didn't take much either.
In every swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while in those critical swing states Jill Stein received 1% of the vote.
The "Democratic Party needs to change"? nonesense. These suppossed self-identified progressives, who don't like to be identified as Democrats better screw their heads on straight. It isn't the "either my way or the highway" bullshit.
If you are part of the Democratic Party then you work within the Democratic party, and that MEANS that if there is disagreements among Democrats they work together through those disagreements, and if in the end on some issues they don't prevail, you don't take your marbles and go away, or in this case not vote.
For gosh sakes, how stupid are people anyway.
Biden was the first President to walk a picket line, and along with Harris was as pro-labor as they come, yet labor split the vote between the sociopath and VP Harris. It isn't because the Democrats had the wrong message, it is because labor themselves were their own worst enemy. They did the same thing by voting for Reagan over Carter. That worked out real well for them, and was the beginning of the corporate anti-union movement.
Then there was the Latino's who split the vote between the sociopath and VP Harris. We will see how that works out if god forbid the sociopath's actual deportation plans are realized.
and last but not least the protesters, who were angry with Biden because after the October 7 slaughter he sent weapons to Israel, instead of doing what THEY wanted, to boycott Israel. An overwhelming bipartisan Congress was against that. In addition, the Problem with that logic is that Biden/Harris were constantly pushing for a ceasefire, return of hostages, and back to the negotiating tables. That wasn't good enough for hamas, Israel, etc. so the protesters so they decided to play the same game that was played in 2016. We will see how that works out for them.
The problem is there are interests within the Democratic party who if they don't get there way, they won't vote or vote third party.
On most of the issues, abortion, the environment, minimum wage, social security, medicare, healthcare, women rights, workers rights, civil rights, etc. the Democrats are on the same page, and there is NO AMBIGUITY WHERE THEY STAND.
The Democratic Party is NOT THE PROBLEM.
B.See
(4,210 posts)what I was writing back then.
Fact: I like MOST of what Bernie says, and AOC too. But after the smoke settles, debates are had, the votes are in, and a candidate is chosen, you back that person to the HILT. Not shoot oneself in the foot with a lot of sulking and bs. And no one knew that better than Bernie HIMSELF.
It's called PRAGMATISM - The ability to see the forest, in spite of the trees. Some STILL haven't learned that lesson, I think.
TBF
(34,973 posts)We can't win by being MAGA-lite, or with billionaires in charge. Unify the working class by focusing on economics and identify the charismatic young dems to pick up the mantle and sell the message (on platforms where they can reach everyone). One problem I'd like to see someone pick up and write about is how to get our message out. The billionaires now own most of the major media. That's a huge problem and another piece of how we can get better. If our message isn't even heard, then we lose. We have to figure out that piece too.
LilElf70
(654 posts)Citizens United. Big money must be removed from the voting system.
And you can't get the message out when a 74 year old man with cancer is picked over a young, aggressive, progressive Democrat. Gee, what's wrong with that picture?
TBF
(34,973 posts)
Martin68
(24,870 posts)
ismnotwasm
(42,510 posts)About everything
Bluepinky
(2,344 posts)But Bernie’s ideas are in line with more things that are important to me, such as his commitment to not accept corporate and big money donations during his campaigns. His ideas on gun control have evolved over the years, but he has been in favor of banning the sale and distribution of assault weapons since the 1980’s. He voted against the Iraq War.
intheflow
(29,186 posts)Hillary was all over that, and thus, helped pave the way toward our current authoritarian climate.
emulatorloo
(45,709 posts)“marketing team” (misinformation merchant David Sirote et al) and blamed a First Lady for.
Magnitsky Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act
The Global Magnitsky Act of 2016 within the NDAA 2017 authorizes the U.S. government to sanction those foreign government officials worldwide that are human rights offenders, freeze their assets, and ban them from entering the U.S.
His career in the Senate lacks any significant accomplishments. He is good at coming up with vague concepts but apparently lacks the skills to translate those into concrete plans of action.
He is a good man and I initially supported him in the 2016 primary.
But his lack of concrete accomplishments and the poor quality of people he had hired over the years gave me pause. Additionally his petty claim that Planned Parenthood was the “ESTABLISHMENT” also did not impress me with his knowledge or judgement.
Bluepinky
(2,344 posts)I’m entitled to choose my preferred candidate, just as you are. This thread is about Bernie Sanders, not Hillary. Don’t know why you have to turn it into a Hillary vs Bernie thread.
Lunabell
(7,214 posts)Bernie was against it from day one. He's the one who was right all along.
Skittles
(161,204 posts)Bernie HELPED TO GET US TRUMP
LilElf70
(654 posts)this link it not about Hillary, Nina Turner, or even Bernie Sanders himself. It's not about the fact that Bernie is an independent. It is more about the policies and ideas that Bernie has tried to bring to the forefront for make everyone's life better. Healthcare for all, tuition free education, and so on and so forth. This is the format of progressive democrats.
TBF
(34,973 posts)It looks more like it every day. Bernie has the energy..
GPV
(73,134 posts)Always have liked the guy. He strikes me as genuine, and most politicians... don't.
scipan
(2,704 posts)But... I'm not sure if the people are, or were, going to go for him. Biden has been great; I couldn't have asked for more.
Why did they vote for trump? I tentatively think it's 1) ignorance and disinformation, and 2) they really want BIG change.
I just think we need to know why those people (idiots) voted the way they did.
Bernie represents change, yes. But that's not just his policies, it's his lifelong consistency.
LilElf70
(654 posts)they voted for Trump, was the "National Enquirer" mentality, that this country loves. Look at the shiny object and attention it is getting. He never shut up. All the attention was given to him. He knew it would work and he just kept hammering it home to the losers. It didn't really matter as to the content, they sure liked that corrupt shiny object.
TBF
(34,973 posts)they still want it.
I don't think it was a vote for Trump as much as policies. Lower rent, lower gas, lower eggs, etc.
There are some that are in the Christian Nationalist tent and will do anything - even vote for a clown like Trump - to get those rulings they want (Roe etc). We can't discount that those cult members will not budge.
But all those voters out there that didn't vote & see politics as useless -- those are the folks we need to reach.
osteopath6
(153 posts)Some wanted big change. Bernie offered just that. Not watering down his ideas. We're a country built on bold ideas
emulatorloo
(45,709 posts)Nor does he hire intelligent staff who are savvy at getting practical policy written.
Instead he hires ‘influencers’ who tend to undermine and lie about Democratics.
Peregrine Took
(7,554 posts)WarGamer
(16,071 posts)He wrote an op-ed urging a US full pressure campaign to negotiate before the war even started...
He warned of the possible consequences and he's been vindicated...
But NO... the West told Zelenskyy "We got your back, bro"
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,744 posts)
LiberalArkie
(17,013 posts)"How will they afford their third mcMansion and fifth yacht"