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keithbvadu2

(39,513 posts)
1. Remember:::: whatever bad Donald says about "illegals"/undoc immigrants, he would rather hire them than pay Americans.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:50 AM
Saturday

Remember:::: whatever bad Donald says about "illegals"/undoc immigrants, he would rather hire them than pay Americans.
The very same "illegals"/undoc immigrants that he blames for so much crime.

He only quit hiring them when it became politically inconvenient.

Rhiannon12866

(219,049 posts)
3. Excellent point. And then there are the children, will they ever see their families again??
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:06 AM
Saturday

There was a protest here in my small city over that and a few hundred showed up. I saw several people who I knew, but a woman I spoke to said that the handful of MAGAts who also showed up were saying that we were all bused in from New York City by George Soros!

wnylib

(23,936 posts)
2. Numbers like nobody has ever seen before?
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:01 AM
Saturday

How could someone who grew up in NYC not know about Ellis Island?



Rhiannon12866

(219,049 posts)
4. As you know, I live nowhere near New York City, but my Polish grandparents came through Ellis Island
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:10 AM
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And my mother added their names to the Wall there.

wnylib

(23,936 posts)
7. I just looked up the numbers. From 1892 to 1954
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 02:01 AM
Saturday

Last edited Sat Oct 12, 2024, 02:33 AM - Edit history (1)

nearly 12 million people came through Ellis Island.

My great grandparents on both sides of my mother's family brought their young children with them to the US. But they came before Ellis Island was set up. Her father's parents arrived in 1888 and her mother's parents got here in 1890. They came with a large wave of immigrants from all over Europe looking for work in the Industrial Revolution. Because of those large numbers, the Ellis Island processing center was established for the continued waves of arriving immigrants.

Many of those new arrivals were peasant working class people. Some were sick when they arrived so there was a screening hospital for the ones who were treatable before they were released for entry.

Without that influx of skilled craftsmen, machinists, general laborers, seamstresses, tailors, etc, the US would not have become a leading first world nation.

Trump's family came from poor European backgrounds.

I saw a cartoon several years ago that showed a politician saying that immigrants should go back to where they came from. A Native American tells the politician, "I'll help you pack."





Rhiannon12866

(219,049 posts)
8. Thanks for the background!
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 02:31 AM
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My paternal great grandparents came here from Ireland before 1892, she came as a child with her family and he came as a young man, they met and married here and ran a farm. Since one of the buildings was Revolutionary War vintage, the original farm is now part of Saratoga Battlefield.

And their two eldest sons volunteered and fought in WWI. My great uncle fought at the front was awarded the Silver Star and my grandfather delivered ammunition to the front on horseback. I have his discharge papers.

And that is one excellent point, every one of us (unless our ancestors were Native American) came from immigrants or we wouldn't be here - and that includes the anti-immigrant convicted felon. Couldn't they send him back??


wnylib

(23,936 posts)
9. Alas, no. We're stuck with him.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 02:39 AM
Saturday

Germany refused to take his grandfather back when he tried to return. His mother was from Scotland and the Scots hate him.

I doubt that even Putin would take him now.

Maybe we could put him on a deserted island with no phone or computer. Let him have TV and radio so he could spend his time shouting back at them.

MagaSmash

(7,594 posts)
5. This Dangerous Rat is Itching for Revenge
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:44 AM
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Trump often used dehumanizing language, referring to his political rivals as “scum” and to migrants as “ animals ” who have “invaded and conquered” Aurora. The town is “infected by Venezuela,” he said.

“We have to clean out our country,” Trump said. And he reprised the first controversy of his career in politics, when he launched his 2016 campaign by saying migrants are rapists and bring drugs and crime.

“I took a lot of heat for saying it, but I was right,” Trump said Friday, repeating the false claim that other countries are emptying their prisons and mental institutions and dumping their worst criminals in the United States.

To thunderous applause, he called for the death penalty “for any migrant that kills an American citizen or a law enforcement officer.”

Later Friday in Reno, Nevada, Trump insisted the U.S. is “an occupied country,” and added, “I make this vow to you: Nov. 5, 2024, will be liberation day in America. Liberation day.”

LetMyPeopleVote

(153,122 posts)
10. 'Actual Nazi sentiments': Review of recent Trump rallies unearths two alarming trends
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 08:53 PM
Saturday

TFG is going full NAZI.



https://www.rawstory.com/hitler-and-the-nazis-trump/

Former President Donald Trump has ramped up his campaign rhetoric by taking it back to a terrifying time in global history — 1930s Germany, experts told Politico Saturday.

Trump's claims that migrants have "bad genes" and will "cut your throat" mimic the lies and feed on the prejudices that scholars say Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler exploited ahead of the Holocaust.

“What is so jarring to me is these are not just Nazi-like statements," said Robert Jones, founder of the Public Religion Research Institute. "These are actual Nazi sentiments.".....

Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a history professor at New York University, told Politico she believed this was just the next step of a process that began when Trump mounted his first presidential campaign nearly a decade ago.

“He’s been taking Americans and his followers on a journey since really 2015...instilling hatred in a group, and then escalating,” said Ben-Ghiat.

“Now [immigrants are] animals who are going to kill us or eat our pets or eat us,” she continued. “That’s how you get people to feel that whatever is done to them, as in mass deportation, rounding them up, putting them in camps, is OK.”
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