All BS supporters who pushed the lies about Biden's mental status need to apologize. Right now.

[Julian English]

The lies about Biden not being up to the debate were crushed tonight. Vice-President Biden awaits the apologies of the BS supporters.

[samnsara]

1. NEVER in my life..even as a Psych Grad student in my 20s was I THAT sharp!!

[Hav]

2. Even some on DU were so concerned

and insisted that Biden had to address this issue by debating Sanders, for his own good. It's pretty clear what they expected. And yeah, they should be ashamed.

[mcar]

3. "He couldn't stand for a debate."

(Even though he's stood for 6+.) Etc. Team Sanders does need to apologize for these smears.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. I don't think Biden gives a damn what the juicebox revolutionaries think, but

his supporters - that is, us - are owed a big apology.

[Native]

22. Juicebox revolutionaries! First time I've heard that description, and I love it!

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[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. It's Charles Pierce's term. It's perfect.

[calimary]

43. Figures. Charlie Pierce has a rollicking way with words.

“Juice box revolutionaries”!

OMG!

[Native]

62. He is a master

[calimary]

68. No kidding! As my mom used to say, "you ain't just a-woofin'."

[TreasonousBastard]

66. "juicebox revolutionaries" -- excellent description. I shall use it a lot...

And, fwiw, absolutely nobody in the committees I serve in takes Bernie or his followers seriously. We have a Congressional race, and two state legislature spots open and Bernie is merely an annoying, time-wasting sideshow around here.

[Amaryllis]

73. Dont get jukebox revolutionaries?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

74. Children playing at revolution.

[DemKittyNC]

5. Won't hold my breath

in Joe getting any apologies even though they should.

Bernie has run a vile campaign.

[Thekaspervote]

10. Just like in 16! Negative after negative ..frankly I think he's been his own worst enemy

That kind of stuff drives voters away!

[arthritisR_US]

55. That's the way Putin likes it.

[NurseJackie]

6. Amen.

[democrattotheend]

7. I don't think most of those Bernie supporters are on DU

I have seen plenty of so-called Bernie supporters on Twitter push the "senile" meme, but the few Bernie supporters left here don't seem to do that.

I will say, though, that this debate alleviated some of the concerns I had about whether Biden was still as sharp of a debater as he was against Paul Ryan in 2012.

[tarheelsunc]

8. Yet, Bernie's cardiovascular health still hasn't been addressed. eom

[highplainsdem]

9. +1,000,000

[RestoreAmerica2020]

11. My question to my son [a Bernie bro since 2016] will Bernie cry, be a sore loser

..when Biden gets nomination? Will he tell his folks to support Biden 100%? I'm not so sure he will, he was not that convincing to be during debate tonight bc Sanders believes he's going to win!

When he loses will his voters vote third party, vote for trump or opt not to vote like they did in 2016 which gave the election to the f#%#@! racist, bigot, mysogynist..most corrupt person who shouldve never been be allowed to hold office [we seriouly need to amend constitution that allowed this to happen ie implement extreme vetting; increased credentials in law/knowledge of govt] My son's response well if they don't cheat Bernie like Hillary did! There you go..

Ay dios [omg; sigh] can't reason with these,people well I said we can kiss this election goodbye and see a monster for the next 4 years destroy our democracy.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

12. ......3......2.......1

<crickets>

[Skid Rogue]

13. This one on one debate was supposed to prove that, right?

Not!!!!!!!!

Thank you, Joe Biden!!!! We need a real president!!!!!

[showblue22]

14. They won't apologize.

Joe was aggressive tonight but he had to be because of them running with that crap.

[rocktivity]

15. I haven't forgotten about his taking on Ryan after Obama had apparently stumbled

over Romney:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10021519504


rocktivity

[NCProgressive]

16. They must be crying badly

[sop]

17. Joe needs to show up at his first debate with Trump driving his '67 Vette and wearing shades

[Sloumeau]

21. The 1967 Corvette is one of the sweetest looking cars ever.

However, if Biden wants to go twenty-first century, the Mercedes AMG GT Coup, bargain-priced with a MSRP of $115,900, is factory new sweet:

https://mediaserver.mbusa.com/proxy/mbusa/2020/gt?client=mb&brand=mbusa&resp=err_status%2Cpng&quality=90&vehicle=2020_gt&pov=e01%2Crt&paint=2_040&fabric=4_641&sa=0_793%2C0_h70%2Cnoglints%2Cshadow&width=2880&height=1200&w=6407&h=4678&x=1929&y=2612&bkgnd=transparent]

He'd make Trump look so last century in his big heavy President mobile.

[leftieNanner]

24. The AMG is gorgeous

But gets terrible gas mileage. We need to rethink this.

[Sloumeau]

30. Biden drives a Prius from his home to a mile

from the debate stage, and then gets into the AMG for the last mile. He tells everyone he likes to *arrive* in style. He saves more than enough gas with the Prius to allow him a mile in the AMG...or the '67 Corvette.

[brush]

58. That yellow 'vette looks more recent than a '67 StingRay.

[sop]

59. Jay Leno's Garage featuring Joe and his '67 Corvette

[brush]

67. Thanks, I enjoyed that. Have you seen the one with him giving "Veep" star...

Julia Louie Dreyfus a ride in what looks like a 2000-something 'Vette?

[sop]

71. I did see that Louis-Dreyfus bit with Biden. In the last part of this Leno's Garage segment

Colin Powell makes an appearance, driving his own 2015 Corvette. After some trash talk, Joe and Colin hold a drag race to settle which Vette is faster, with Leno as the starter.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2016/11/10/watch-joe-biden-and-colin-powell-race-each-other-in-corvettes.html

[Sugarcoated]

75. Omg

I've never seen this....loooove it!

[trueblue2007]

23. RIDEN WITH BIDEN

[emmaverybo]

29. He is such a lovely man!

[Skya Rhen]

34. He definitely is!

[emmaverybo]

35. We are winning.

[yuiyoshida]

45. HOW ABOUT THIS ONE!

[herding cats]

49. I love that! 😍

[Aquaria]

51. Still Handsome Joe

After all these years. He looks incredible for his age.

[First Speaker]

18. If the Joe I saw tonight has "dementia", then I'm reminded of Lincoln on Grant...

...and his supposed drunkenness. Maybe Joe could spread some of his "dementia" to other Dem pols...?

[Tarheel_Dem]

19. Good luck with that! nt

[Gore1FL]

20. I'd prefer to brefriend them and have them vote for Biden in the fall.

I thank that works better than demanding apologies for moot events.

[TwilightZone]

32. Anyone who bought into the "dementia" nonsense likely wasn't ever going to vote for him anyway.

How exactly do you suggest that he "befriend" people who were ignorant enough to buy into clearly-doctored and heavily-edited videos? If they're that dumb, I doubt common sense or reasoning with them is going to work.

I love how it's always everyone else who has to bend over backward to kiss and make up. It's always someone else's fault. Perhaps we should hold people accountable for their actions, particularly when they're as monumentally stupid as dementia-gate.

[Gore1FL]

38. The nominee is the one who needs the votes. That's the reality of elections.

One way to start the befriending process is not to antagonize them.

Do what you want. But no crying in your beer is allowed if you didn't at least try to get Biden votes.

[Aquaria]

52. He doesn't have to debase himself to get them, though

You don't give in to bullies demanding that you give them what they want or they'll take their toys and go home. Sometimes voters need to grow up, put on their big girl/big boy pants and do what's necessary for the good of the country.

This is what adults do. We realize that we can't always get what we want, and sometimes we must do what we're supposed to do, for the greater good, even when it's not easy.

Biden doesn't have to compromise who he is for a bunch of participation trophy winners who are not being honest about how they'll vote for him if only he'll do whatever they want for their vote. That's bullshit.

[Gore1FL]

80. I don't consider civility debasing.

YMMV.

[TwilightZone]

64. Nope. Pandering to the worst of the worst is a stupid idea.

Some still don't get why Sanders is losing so badly.

If a bunch of childish dopes want to throw a tantrum and stay home because we didn't buy into their pet conspiracy theories, they weren't going to vote anyway.

They're not even showing up for Bernie and you think they're going to show up for Biden?

[Gore1FL]

77. Just don't complain about them in the fall if they don't come out.

This post will be a reminder of the chance lost.

[treestar]

81. What will you be saying to them

that is going to work?

[Gore1FL]

82. Here are a few phrases to start with:

"I'm a Biden supporter, but I have a lot more in common with you and Senator Sanders than I do any Republican, especially Trump."

"Although I didn't support Senator Sanders int the nomination phase, I am glad he energized voters like you to join in the push against Trump."

"Participation in this process builds the party. And though much of this process is competition, a lot of it is cooperation, too. I like that!"

Mostly what my threads have been about is what not to say, however. I find there to be no fundamental use in calling out Senator Sanders or his supporters. They don't need nor deserve to be vilified. They don't need to be told they don't count. They don't need to be told to go away. They aren't your enemies.

[treestar]

83. that's very good

though some will say the DNC cheated Bernie in response. Or that the Democrats are the same as the Republicans or that Biden is Republican-lite. But hopefully a small percentage only.

[treestar]

65. how do you get the support of people who were saying things like that?

It's not like they ever intended to be reasonable. If it's a misunderstanding out of ignorance, but then someone that easily swayed by assertions of others, without minimal research, would be silly to count on.

[Gore1FL]

79. I've been through enough of these.

I've seen the party unify and I've seen the party vilify. I know what works.

[LanternWaste]

70. I don't see potential votes for Biden

from people pretending they were concerned about a non-existent issue.

I think realizing that works better than self-righteous pats-on-the-back.

[Gore1FL]

78. Then don't complain in the fall when they don't vote.

You had your chance to reach out and chose otherwise. Hopefully Biden is more politically savvy than that.

[C Moon]

25. Crickets.

[emmaverybo]

27. Joe his usual presidential , competent and oh so comforting likable self.

[SunSeeker]

28. Joe kicked ass tonight. Can't wait for him to kick Trump's ass.

And Joe's campaign need to bring back the Biden beer cozie that Obama's 2012 campaign was selling! I tried to buy one in 2012 but they sold out too fast!

[certainot]

31. both biden and sanders supporters who arent russian trolls get this through your heads

......rw radio , 1500 stations, have been pushing that meme for months - that biden is senile

it's regular. if dems and progressives let the putin/kremlin play you again, up yours and all your whining about the party is not liberal enough, not left enough...

[TwilightZone]

33. It's not just the right-wing.

People in Sanders' senior staff were pushing them, as were some DUers.

Not sure how you made this into a "both sides" argument, but Biden supporters were well aware of where the memes originated and acted accordingly. Some Sanders supporters, meanwhile, including members of his own staff and top surrogates, were sharing videos from Trump War Room and Fox News.

One side would seem to be a bit more discerning than the other, as far as sources go.

[pampango]

61. Oh, you KNOW that Trump and the RW media are not going to give up on this.

Trump's core belief (to the extent that he has one) if that if you repeat something enough times, people come to believe it - or at least enough of them to affect an election.

What else can Trump campaign on other than attacking with lies? He sure can't run on his record.

If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
Joseph Goebbels

https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1419276

[Liberty Belle]

36. Biden was sharp as a tack tonight.

I would feel better about him as president or our party's nominee after tonight's performance.

Either candidate of course would be a million times better than the moron in the White House today.

I still like Bernie's Medicare for All proposal which for me is where the rubber meets the road. But I liked Biden adopting Elizabeth's Warren plan on free college and his assertiveness on cornavirus issues.

[SunSeeker]

42. Thank you. Folks like you give me hope that we can come together.

[nolawarlock]

57. I'm glad someone sees this!

Then again, I gotta say … the Bernie supporters on this website are a hell of a lot nicer than on Twitter and Facebook. I think the Biden people here might actually be meaner … but ONLY here. :-D

[Renew Deal]

37. Biden looked pretty good from the clips I saw

He might have been getting washed out in the noise with the 12 other candidates.

[Iggo]

39. Um, it's "RIGHT FUCKING NOW".

Get it right, jeez.

[seta1950]

40. Yes indeed

He was sharp and presidential

[JGug1]

41. Biden

Oh, they aren't going away. I was getting on a wingnut on FB when she said he thinks he is married to his sister. I asked her if he lusted for his daughter and then reminded her of Trump telling us that the Continental Army took over the airports in the Revolutionary War. And cautioned her that she probably didn't want to go "THERE." Her guy is just too naked.

[Traym]

44. they underestimated him

Vastly.

[ucrdem]

46. That would be a first.

Still hope springs eternal.

[Cetacea]

47. The one-on-one format suits him better. He'll do fine against Trump.

I think the main reason he fears Biden is because Joe has such a command of how government works, and he has nada. And if tries playing his best and only card (being an insulting bully) it will backfire on a person most consider a good man.

[Aquaria]

53. Better than being some self-serving egomaniac

Yelling at kids to get off his lawn.

[herding cats]

54. Bernie has no path to the nomination now.

Insulting Biden doesn't change that. I'm sorry for you, I've been there before, but your bitterness only hurts us from here forward.

It's time to unite and look to kicking Trump to the curb in November. The time for childish insults is long past.

[herding cats]

50. I'm sure they will once they manage to finally get the crow out of their throat.

When one is eating crow it's advisable to take small bites and drink plenty of water to help it go down more easily. Also, take a pepcid 30-minutes prior to your meal. It's know to cause some wicked bad indigestion.

[nolawarlock]

56. Any Bernie Bro that pushes this disgusting dementia angle is a hypocrite tonight...

… maybe I heard wrong but it sure sounded like Bernie was trying to save us all from Ebola. Or is that E-Boli? I couldn't quite catch it.

[True Blue American]

60. New Poll on MSNBC!

Biden-61%

Sanders-32%

Gabbard-4%

[Julian English]

76. Tulsi is picking up some BS voters

No surprise there. Maybe he’ll name he his choice for VP

[ucrdem]

63. Sorry, they're busy with their tea-leaves and ouija boards just now.

Maybe they'll get back to us in another dimension.

[NNadir]

69. You know the "but her emails" media will drive this day and...

...and night. Unfortunately, it is easy to address, simply by being publically sharp.

No one could read the emails but anyone can see VP Biden speak.

I didn't watch the debate, but I did hear his clear Covid speech, which was quite impressive.

[Gothmog]

72. Biden was great last night

[Kahuna7]

84. That Medhi person from the Intercept claimed that bernie went easy on Joe.

[jimlup]

85. Sorry first I did not and 2nd

I'm an UNAPOLOGETIC Bernie Supporter. Get over it. I'm in need of some love. I know Biden will win the nomination but he now needs me. Why should I work for him?

Don't give me the normal speech. I need to know that he will stand for what Bernie is supporting. If that is not your answer then it is not good enough.