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AOC on fox news of all places (Original Post) Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2020 OP
Well, they didn't. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #1
True, but it's not even that. There were virtually ZERO reports of voters in Michigan.... George II Mar 2020 #10
The youth vote for ST#2 was 7%. For ST and 4 previous races 6% Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #20
Exactly. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #33
Partially? He lost every state except one. He was too far demosincebirth Mar 2020 #106
Yep! FM123 Mar 2020 #38
She is claiming voter suppression caused Bernie to lose mcar Mar 2020 #52
That's what I took the OP to mean from the wording.. How Cha Mar 2020 #58
Pushing conspiracy theories mcar Mar 2020 #70
Desperation is not Cha Mar 2020 #91
Well, obviously the youth vote was suppressed because nobody brought ballots The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #76
Alert the media! mcar Mar 2020 #84
"along with free pizza" lol lol LizBeth Mar 2020 #101
But the OP said.. ".. youth did Get to Vote" like they were Cha Mar 2020 #57
Oh I see. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #62
No.. it wasn't. Thank you! Cha Mar 2020 #64
Here we go RandySF Mar 2020 #2
They didn't get to vote because they didn't show up. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #3
They found out Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #4
Facebook is becoming mostly for older people, the younger cohorts are leaving in droves Celerity Mar 2020 #47
66 years old here Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #51
Instagram or tick tok the (Chinese owned apt) Historic NY Mar 2020 #54
fox, making AOC live in the studio, the face of the big, Dem bill to be voted on tomorrow. empedocles Mar 2020 #5
What AOC didn't mention RandySF Mar 2020 #6
If you want to shut AOC up BidenBacker Mar 2020 #7
Well, Chris Cuomo asked her about some of the so-called savings in the "medicare for all" plan.... George II Mar 2020 #13
God, now that's what I call "grasping at straws" BidenBacker Mar 2020 #19
'Cause dead people are "straws"? marble falls Mar 2020 #22
Following her logic BidenBacker Mar 2020 #36
Whether people have adequate healthcare or not, eventually they're all going to die anyway.... George II Mar 2020 #40
Ummm. Maybe because everybody dies. No one lives forever. eilen Mar 2020 #102
Read the link below to get rid of the crickets Perseus Mar 2020 #26
Thank you BidenBacker Mar 2020 #32
In the article I sent you they talk about the difficulty to provide good cost estimates Perseus Mar 2020 #39
I agree with you 100% BidenBacker Mar 2020 #43
... W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #8
LOL nt zackymilly Mar 2020 #11
Lol. That's as brilliant as it is funny. oasis Mar 2020 #87
Good one Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 #107
Biden won by 260,000 votes!!! That's pure BS, sour grapes. George II Mar 2020 #9
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #14
What is the damage to the Democratic party? Perseus Mar 2020 #16
Going on Fox News and complaining about the Democratic Primary? You don't see it? And after.... George II Mar 2020 #17
By giving the impression that the Democratic Party blocked young people from voting, which only OnDoutside Mar 2020 #18
Did she say or infer that the Democratic party "blocked young people" from voting? Perseus Mar 2020 #29
AOC's image, talking about the Dem bill [up for vote tomorrow], does damage to broader appeal. empedocles Mar 2020 #42
Why, because she is a progressive? Perseus Mar 2020 #55
AOC's image, as honed by rw media, gives a reason for most voters to not like empedocles Mar 2020 #61
Ah, but some Sanders supporters insist FDR and LBJ were avowed socialists. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #63
And LBJ was a prudent progressive BidenBacker Mar 2020 #85
Agreed. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #86
It helped him some BidenBacker Mar 2020 #89
The real backlash didn't start until '66-'67. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #90
Those were weird times BidenBacker Mar 2020 #94
Yeah, haven't been to Dubya's. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #98
One big advantage of being a narcissist like Trump is BidenBacker Mar 2020 #96
"AOC implies voter suppression cost Bernie Sanders Michigan primary" TwilightZone Mar 2020 #66
What stopped them? Scurrilous Mar 2020 #12
The Scurrilous Squirrel strikes again! BidenBacker Mar 2020 #24
LOL Scurrilous Mar 2020 #69
Hey! BidenBacker Mar 2020 #71
I saw it. Throw in your name at top and it was 23 on page. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #72
I'm still relatively new here BidenBacker Mar 2020 #74
I'll search for it later. The search here sucks IMHO. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #110
And, here is the best proper question! Cha Mar 2020 #60
Apathy. nt sheshe2 Mar 2020 #78
Yes, good old apathy. Been around forever. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #109
AOC is a great representative of the Democratic party Perseus Mar 2020 #15
In short: Don't ask what you can do for your country; ask for gimme question everything Mar 2020 #21
What???? Sorry I don't understand your quote. Perseus Mar 2020 #44
You are thinking like a Democrat. Gore1FL Mar 2020 #75
University isn't free in Canada. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #81
College education is not free, but elemetary and high school are Perseus Mar 2020 #113
Right wing garbage right here on DU Yeehah Mar 2020 #67
Do you say the same about food stamps? Sympthsical Mar 2020 #112
It will require them voting first and then applying pressure to him tishaLA Mar 2020 #23
Read the OP, she said "they didn't GET to vote", implying something stopped them. And then.... George II Mar 2020 #27
She fibbed? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #79
No... M4a and total elimination of student debt are political suicide with voters Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #28
51% of young Americans support tuition-free public college Perseus Mar 2020 #35
But only 10-12% of them show up to vote for the candidate proposing it. George II Mar 2020 #46
A little earlier than the early 80s BidenBacker Mar 2020 #59
He already is the nominee nt showblue22 Mar 2020 #65
And here she is telling people "why" she was on Fox News! So why was she complaining.... George II Mar 2020 #25
What is wrong about that statement? Perseus Mar 2020 #31
I suspect the reason she posted that tweet is that she got a lot of flack about.... George II Mar 2020 #37
I suppose you are right, but she should not get any flack for appearing in Fox News Perseus Mar 2020 #49
Didn't Biden also appear on Fox news? Perseus Mar 2020 #30
Biden didn't go on fox news to complain about "Dem Cha Mar 2020 #93
Guess Sanders' "pied piper effect" wore off...or something. brush Mar 2020 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #41
This is from the Daily Caller, they're already using her appearance as a talking point, but... George II Mar 2020 #45
She needs to elaborate on what she meant by "voter suppression" Perseus Mar 2020 #50
AOC is on fox a lot. No, it is not good for the Dems - at all empedocles Mar 2020 #53
She could have elaborated at the time. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #68
The youth vote was suppressed because The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #77
Other populations have run State Trooper barricades & billy clubs to vote. NBachers Mar 2020 #48
Idealism doesn't win elections. Beartracks Mar 2020 #56
Can you show us on the doll where AOC hurt you? nt Gore1FL Mar 2020 #73
Bernie lost because of youth voter suppression? Evergreen Emerald Mar 2020 #80
I don't understand the need for DU to be a divisive cesspool, that's all. nt Gore1FL Mar 2020 #114
I think stating opinions is the purpose of this site Evergreen Emerald Mar 2020 #115
To what benefit? Gore1FL Mar 2020 #116
I was stating an opinion about OAC Evergreen Emerald Mar 2020 #117
Boomers take Biden to new heights. But the demographics are changing fast b/c boomers are juxtaposed Mar 2020 #82
So does AOC think there should be special express lines comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #83
Former Obama aide, David Axelrod said AOC would be THE Bernie oasis Mar 2020 #88
Axe is wrong again.. shocking. Cha Mar 2020 #92
I'm done with AOC so long as her credibility is on the line. oasis Mar 2020 #95
Yeah.. I've been done Cha Mar 2020 #97
Axe seems to have lost about 50 IQ points comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #105
She is already trying to backtrack what she said on Twitter Galraedia Mar 2020 #99
Wonder what clued her into Cha Mar 2020 #103
maybe they'll give her a job... quickesst Mar 2020 #100
Cliff notes from the interview. OneBro Mar 2020 #104
She's not wrong. And it is a fairly significant indictment against... SKKY Mar 2020 #108
Just occurred to me BidenBacker Mar 2020 #111
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,773 posts)
1. Well, they didn't.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:23 PM
Mar 2020

The youth turnout has been abysmal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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George II

(67,782 posts)
10. True, but it's not even that. There were virtually ZERO reports of voters in Michigan....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:37 PM
Mar 2020

....having problems with voting.

It's a phony excuse for losing each and every one of the 83 counties in Michigan. EVERY ONE!

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Thekaspervote

(34,547 posts)
20. The youth vote for ST#2 was 7%. For ST and 4 previous races 6%
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:56 PM
Mar 2020

Pitiful

You wanna change things...VOTE!!

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Turin_C3PO

(15,773 posts)
33. Exactly.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:15 PM
Mar 2020

It’s partially why McGovern didn’t win. He was depending on the young boomers to come out and carry him into office. They didn’t show up at the polls and say hello to four more years of Nixon.

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demosincebirth

(12,740 posts)
106. Partially? He lost every state except one. He was too far
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:35 AM
Mar 2020

To the left just like BS.

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FM123

(10,124 posts)
38. Yep!
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:21 PM
Mar 2020

There are 93 colleges and universities in Michigan full of voting age young adults, you would think that they would have shown up in droves to vote for Bernie.

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mcar

(43,435 posts)
52. She is claiming voter suppression caused Bernie to lose
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:57 PM
Mar 2020

This is a lie.

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Cha

(305,137 posts)
58. That's what I took the OP to mean from the wording.. How
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:24 PM
Mar 2020

in the Hell would the "youth" be denied to vote.. riddle me that one, AOC?

And wth was she doing on fox with such a message?

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mcar

(43,435 posts)
70. Pushing conspiracy theories
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 08:28 PM
Mar 2020

that's what she was doing. Shame on her.

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Cha

(305,137 posts)
91. Desperation is not
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:23 PM
Mar 2020

helping, AOC.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,601 posts)
76. Well, obviously the youth vote was suppressed because nobody brought ballots
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:03 PM
Mar 2020

to their dorm rooms along with free pizza.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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LizBeth

(10,804 posts)
101. "along with free pizza" lol lol
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:16 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Cha

(305,137 posts)
57. But the OP said.. ".. youth did Get to Vote" like they were
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:21 PM
Mar 2020

denied it or something.

I didn't see it so I don't know what she said exactly.

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Turin_C3PO

(15,773 posts)
62. Oh I see.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:47 PM
Mar 2020

Yeah, I seriously doubt they’re vote was suppressed.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Cha

(305,137 posts)
64. No.. it wasn't. Thank you!
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:54 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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RandySF

(70,417 posts)
2. Here we go
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:25 PM
Mar 2020

Divide and conquer

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
3. They didn't get to vote because they didn't show up.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:25 PM
Mar 2020

One kind of presupposes the other.

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Mr.Bill

(24,767 posts)
4. They found out
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:26 PM
Mar 2020

they couldn't vote on Facebook.

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Mr.Bill

(24,767 posts)
51. 66 years old here
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:56 PM
Mar 2020

and I have never looked at it. The wife uses it to keep track of the family.

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Historic NY

(37,812 posts)
54. Instagram or tick tok the (Chinese owned apt)
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:59 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
5. fox, making AOC live in the studio, the face of the big, Dem bill to be voted on tomorrow.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:27 PM
Mar 2020

[fox viewers got the picture from the beginning. AOC her usual, hard-edge, righteous, aggressive, pro BS self]

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Undecided
 

RandySF

(70,417 posts)
6. What AOC didn't mention
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:28 PM
Mar 2020

Many students didn’t register until they got to the polls.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
7. If you want to shut AOC up
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:30 PM
Mar 2020

just ask her how much her New Green Deal costs.

Then sit back and enjoy the chirping crickets.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Well, Chris Cuomo asked her about some of the so-called savings in the "medicare for all" plan....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:41 PM
Mar 2020

....over the existing system. This was her answer:

“Why aren’t we incorporating the cost of all the funeral expenses of those who die because they can’t afford access to health care. That is part of the cost of our system.”

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
19. God, now that's what I call "grasping at straws"
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:55 PM
Mar 2020

Don't get me wrong...I'm all for slowing and preferably halting climate change and providing health care to as many people as humanly possible, if not everyone. That's what a majority of people want.

But dammit, when you propose some of these much-needed programs then at least show a little initiative and figure out how much they're gonna cost. The best way to ensure that nothing will ever get done is to never attach any realistic price tags to them. Americans have the right to know how much they will cost and how we're gonna pay for it.

Until then, whenever folks like Bernie & AOC talk about such things all they're doing is expelling yet more carbon dioxide and only making global warming that much worse!

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marble falls

(62,020 posts)
22. 'Cause dead people are "straws"?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:02 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
36. Following her logic
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:18 PM
Mar 2020

we should add the cost of gasoline for people who didn't have health insurance previously driving to doctors they didn't have before.

Someone asks her how much the Green New Deal might cost and she starts talking about the cost of caskets. Really?

There are studies and reports out there prepared by those technical people who would actually perform the work. Go read some of them for an eye-opener.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
40. Whether people have adequate healthcare or not, eventually they're all going to die anyway....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:30 PM
Mar 2020

..."medicare for all" isn't going to eliminate a single death, there still will be funeral costs.

That is an illogical statement of hers.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

eilen

(4,950 posts)
102. Ummm. Maybe because everybody dies. No one lives forever.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:40 PM
Mar 2020

So those expenses are always gonna be there. I mean, hell, sooner they are probably cheaper than later d/t inflation. And I guess he could reply that there is an offset in SS savings....

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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
26. Read the link below to get rid of the crickets
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:03 PM
Mar 2020

This is a very defeatist attitude, and I understand where that its coming from because Biden is also a skeptic on the issue, although he is a Democrat, he is not a progressive, he is more of a conservative Democrat, which is also understandable due to his length in public office and the policies he is accustomed to deal with, lets face it, it is a different generation with more conservative values. I am not including the word "conservative" to resemble anything republican by the way, just want to make sure people who read this understand it.

Here is the link, before I forget:
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/how-much-will-the-green-new-deal-cost/

The cost of NO GREEN DEAL will be devastating. There is so much that can be done with taxes, cuts to the military, etc. The 2020 budget for the military is $738 billion (a $22 billion increase over last year’s), that is coming from tax payer contribution, so are the tax cuts. As the World becomes warmer pandemics like the one we live today will become more frequent, because virus and bacteria love the warm weather, it makes us all more vulnerable, so instead of thinking that the "Green Deal" is something funny, we all need to support it, it will affect those who will still be alive in 30-40 years, and it will definitely affect our kids, and their kids. It is not far fetched to imagine a World like the one in "Total Recall", by making the World a harder place to live we give more power to those who already have the power, we become their subjects just so that we can exist.

And here is part of AOC's proposal for the "Green Deal":
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-new-green-deal-jobs-guarantee-what-to-expect.html

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Undecided
 

BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
32. Thank you
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:13 PM
Mar 2020

I have saved your links and will read them to better inform myself. But here's one for you...

https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-says-green-new-deal-cost-10-trillion-2019-6

An outrageously bogus lowball is not much better than a "hell if I know". But I notice she said "at least"...which is pretty damn open-ended.

I've seen estimates by engineers that indicate halting global warming will cost the entire world in the vicinity of $50-$70 trillion. Since the US is the second worst polluter behind only China, we will have to bear a large portion of that cost.

Don't know about other folks here but I believe engineers a lot more than I do AOC...being one myself who has worked on wind turbines in the past.

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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
39. In the article I sent you they talk about the difficulty to provide good cost estimates
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:28 PM
Mar 2020

Yes, I agree, 10 trillion may be low, but we don't know everything it entails and I believe they don't know either, they have allowed republicans to drive the conversation about money and of course, if you don't have your plan fully developed you can only guess.

My take on this is that we all need to support it, we need to push for people like AOC to continue working on it because if we don't do anything we are all toast, and I mean "toast" because we are all going to burn.

Thank you for your link, I will read it tonight.

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Undecided
 

BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
43. I agree with you 100%
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:36 PM
Mar 2020

We have to do something and we have to do something soon. Step One is to get a Democratic White House and a Democratic Congress with people who will make this a very high national priority. It will never come to pass as long as the GOP is in power.

I applaud AOC for helping push this issue to the forefront. I just don't want her to be put in charge of budgets...LOL. The GOP and FOX will use her as a lightning rod to discredit the effort but that probably can't be avoided anyway.

Slowing/halting climate change will be very costly but eventually it will be even costlier if we continue to do nothing. I just want people to know what kind of dollar signs we're talking here is all. I think that is only fair and reasonable.

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oasis

(51,647 posts)
87. Lol. That's as brilliant as it is funny.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:00 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. Biden won by 260,000 votes!!! That's pure BS, sour grapes.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:34 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to George II (Reply #9)

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
16. What is the damage to the Democratic party?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:48 PM
Mar 2020

She is telling the truth, young people did not vote in the numbers that were expected...How does she damage the Democratic party by telling the truth? I am curious.

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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. Going on Fox News and complaining about the Democratic Primary? You don't see it? And after....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:50 PM
Mar 2020

....trump has been claiming that the Democratic Party screwed Sanders.

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OnDoutside

(20,649 posts)
18. By giving the impression that the Democratic Party blocked young people from voting, which only
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:54 PM
Mar 2020

feeds the low information Fox viewer. The OP said "Complaining young voters in Michigan didn't get to vote."

That is an entirely different thing to what you said "young people did not vote in the numbers that were expected", which is what I would agree with.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
29. Did she say or infer that the Democratic party "blocked young people" from voting?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:07 PM
Mar 2020

I will research it, but I have hard time she would say something like that.

Her appearance at Fox News doesn't damage the party, she was asked a question and she answered it truthfully but, I do need to watch the video and see for myself.

If you are both right then shame on her, but I will check it and come back.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
42. AOC's image, talking about the Dem bill [up for vote tomorrow], does damage to broader appeal.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:34 PM
Mar 2020

AOC is not a good, broadly appealing face for the Dem Party.

[That's why she is on fox so much. They made her a national figure].

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
55. Why, because she is a progressive?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:00 PM
Mar 2020

We, as a country, need to support progressive ideas, otherwise it will be more of the same, nothing will change, we will be stuck on this system that has gradually become so difficult for so many people and that has been slowly crafted by corporate, the military and republicans, we need to change things, and radically.

This system is getting worst for people who do not have the resources to go to school, to pay for health, the american dream of the 1950s is no longer alive and we must all come to grips with that. People like AOC need to push hard for change.

I am a Democrat, but I want things to move forward, for opportunities to be available for everyone, not just for a few.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
61. AOC's image, as honed by rw media, gives a reason for most voters to not like
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:47 PM
Mar 2020

what the Dems appear to be selling.

trump would like nothing better than to have AOC and BS running their mouths as loudly and as much as possible, in the coming seven months.

Real change, as has often been presented here, came from pragmatists FDR and LBJ - far more than any other Dems.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
63. Ah, but some Sanders supporters insist FDR and LBJ were avowed socialists.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:52 PM
Mar 2020

Laughable, yes, but they're quite vehement about it.

FDR was so anti-socialism that he would explode any time someone tried to refer to him as a socialist.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
85. And LBJ was a prudent progressive
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:52 PM
Mar 2020

He would be shaking his head in disbelief if he saw how some progressives have become so rigid and uncompromising.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/28/lbj-great-society-josh-zeitz-book-216538

Sticking to one's principles to the point that you get no results is foolhardy.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
86. Agreed.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:58 PM
Mar 2020

He also had the benefit of following a president that the country was still grieving on a large scale. He took full advantage of that and got stuff passed that would have been very difficult to get through in another environment.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
89. It helped him some
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:15 PM
Mar 2020

but it also hurt him at the same time...

Man Of The Year: Lyndon B. Johnson, The Prudent Progressive

http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,841674-1,00.html

Goldfish Bowl. All this was done while his country and the world watched in a "show me" spirit. Jack Kennedy had drained the world's capacity for unrestrained fascination with the U.S. presidency, and Lyndon Johnson was sure to harvest some initial resentments. But in that enormous goldfish bowl, he went relentlessly to work, determined to put his own stamp on the presidency, rarely trying to be anything but himself.

I was just a dumb little kid at the time but my respect for the man continues to go up as I learn more about him.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
90. The real backlash didn't start until '66-'67.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:21 PM
Mar 2020

There was some early, but it really ramped up in 1966. Lucky for him (and us), 1964 and 1965 were remarkable legislative years.

We're within a couple of hours of the LBJ Presidential Library, the Texas White House, his boyhood home, and various other LBJ sites and museums. We make the rounds every year or two with various friends and relatives who come to visit. I'm a history buff, but I had no idea just how much stuff got done in those first couple years.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
94. Those were weird times
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:39 PM
Mar 2020

You had a radical left wing who hated LBJ because of Vietnam while at the same time he was pushing through some of the most progressive social and economic legislation since FDR.

That damn war destroyed the man. He got himself caught in a quagmire and couldn't figure a way out. Still hurts his legacy because many/most people still remember him for the war rather than his progressive successes.

I'm a history buff as well...guessing you visit LBJ's library a little more frequently than Dubya's...LOL.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
98. Yeah, haven't been to Dubya's.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:54 PM
Mar 2020

It might be interesting from a historical perspective, but...just can't. haha

A lot of his "wounded warrior" art was in a museum in San Antonio on a traveling exhibit. We were there with relatives and didn't know it was going to be there at that time. I have to admit that it was pretty interesting. Horrible president, but unlike our current resident of the WH, he had some redeeming qualities, even if they didn't measure up to the bad.

Agreed on LBJ's legacy. His museum has a whole section about how Vietnam overshadowed his achievements and talks about what his legacy would have been, but also acknowledges that they're impossible to separate.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
96. One big advantage of being a narcissist like Trump is
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:49 PM
Mar 2020
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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
66. "AOC implies voter suppression cost Bernie Sanders Michigan primary"
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:57 PM
Mar 2020

"Baier asked Ocasio-Cortez to clarify her voter suppression claims.

"You're saying that you think voters didn't get to vote that wanted to vote in Michigan?" Baier asked.

"Absolutely. You know, obviously, there's also more that we need to do in terms of turning out youth voters," Ocasio-Cortez said."

Apologies for the Fox News link, but it's obviously relevant to the topic since that's where she appeared.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-voter-suppression-bernie-sanders-michigan-primary

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
24. The Scurrilous Squirrel strikes again!
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:03 PM
Mar 2020

Hate when that happens.

And don't even get me started about Gopper Gophers suppressing the vote.

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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
69. LOL
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 08:27 PM
Mar 2020

Rodent reckons rancid Republican ratfucker relative relations recently, releases, rapidly retreats, runs 'round receptacle, repeatedly retches.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
71. Hey!
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 08:33 PM
Mar 2020

You're the one who came up with a long "c" one a while back.

I answered you with a bit of genius "b" alliteration myself that I was damn proud of but maybe you didn't see it.

21 continuous "b"s I think it was! Still waiting for Guinness to call but so far nothin'.

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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
72. I saw it. Throw in your name at top and it was 23 on page.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 08:43 PM
Mar 2020

I go back and forth a lot so I get confused. I probably responded on twitter to God knows who. Have done that more than once.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
74. I'm still relatively new here
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 08:55 PM
Mar 2020

I have to say that DU kinda reminds me of the Tower of Babel. New threads pop up faster than the DJIA goes down.

It's pretty disorienting. I'm sure I'm missing folks who respond to me and vice versa. Maybe I'll get the hang of it eventually.

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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
110. I'll search for it later. The search here sucks IMHO.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 03:05 AM
Mar 2020
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Cha

(305,137 posts)
60. And, here is the best proper question!
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:29 PM
Mar 2020

LOl

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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
109. Yes, good old apathy. Been around forever.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 03:02 AM
Mar 2020

They'll snap out of it.

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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
15. AOC is a great representative of the Democratic party
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:46 PM
Mar 2020

It is true that young people did not vote in the numbers that was expected, she told the truth.

My theory on this is that young people tend to register Independent, they don't want to belong to any of the two parties, they don't have confidence on any of the two, and if Biden does become the nominee, and if becomes president he better deliver to young people, that includes "Medicare For All", and "Free Education", not this "two-year college" thing he has been talking about. If he doesn't deliver he will be a one-term president and we will have the republicans back again in power.

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question everything

(48,736 posts)
21. In short: Don't ask what you can do for your country; ask for gimme
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:59 PM
Mar 2020
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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
44. What???? Sorry I don't understand your quote.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:40 PM
Mar 2020

Who is asking for "gimme"? Because of "Medicare For All" and "Free Education"? Like many other countries in the World, that is part of what government is there for, to provide basic needs to its citizens, and THEY ARE NOT GIMMES, WE ALL PAY THROUGH TAXES.

Lets see, where do I rather have my taxes go to..hmm..."Medicare For All" and "Free Education"? or trump's golfing outings, politicians & their families free healthcare, politicians travels around the World, $768 billion in military budget, which they don't need?

So, it is OK for the military to extend their hands (gimme) and receive $768 billion in money they don't need of which $20 billion were added this year...

Ask Canadians, if you don't feel like traveling to Europe. They don't mind paying higher taxes because they get both, healthcare for free and free education.

If we had an educated country trump and assholes like republicans would never be elected, just take a look at the people in trump's rallies, like he called them "his uneducated", and they cheered. That is what "Free Education" gives us, it gets rid of ignorance, it helps people like the MAGATS understand and repudiate people like trump, it helps them make a better life for them, a more decent life, less ignorance gives us less racism, less misogyny, better people in general.

I hope that I did not misunderstand your quote, if I did please expand on it.

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Gore1FL

(21,825 posts)
75. You are thinking like a Democrat.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 08:57 PM
Mar 2020

We can have none of that at Democratic Underground!

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
81. University isn't free in Canada.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:32 PM
Mar 2020

Not even close. They do have government programs for low-income students, though some of those have been eliminated in cost-cutting. University is generally cheaper than expenses at many US universities, but it's far from free.

https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/student-finance/how-much-does-it-cost-study-canada

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ontario-s-tories-eliminate-free-tuition-for-low-income-students-1.4257135

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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
113. College education is not free, but elemetary and high school are
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:54 AM
Mar 2020

Also, the cost of College in Canada is only about $7,800/year, compare that to college in the USA. Also, there are plenty of program that students can get into to have their college careers subsidized by the government, we don't even have that, students in the USA have to get the scam student loans that take them years to pay. I have been through those student loans, I know about it.

But let us not forget about Europe where most of the education is free.

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Yeehah

(5,193 posts)
67. Right wing garbage right here on DU
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:58 PM
Mar 2020

Sad.

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Sympthsical

(10,108 posts)
112. Do you say the same about food stamps?
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 07:15 AM
Mar 2020

I mean, that’s gimme too.

Or do you pick and choose who needs help?

Free stuff!

Yes, health care so people don’t die. Those greedy people.

And some wonder why Democrats are wrestling with the party. I already saw bootstraps a few times here. Waiting for full on welfare queen rhetoric at this point.

Being anti-Trump does not make a body liberal. Or a Democrat. As we’re now seeing, as Reagan Democrats attempt to steer the party.

Fortunately, this is likely to be the last election they’ll be able to pull this conservative bullshit.

Enjoy for now.

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tishaLA

(14,320 posts)
23. It will require them voting first and then applying pressure to him
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:02 PM
Mar 2020

if he's elected. Remember that LGBTQ activists consistently held Pres Obama's feet to the fire re: military service-after they'd shown up and vote for him--until he got it done. And with things like M4A and education, it means pressuring congress members even more than it means pressuring the president because they'll have to write the bill (or at least help write it) and get it to his desk. Same with a reasonably acceptable piece of immigration legislation.

That pressure we all applied to congress when there was a threat of overturning ACA? We will need that and then some.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
27. Read the OP, she said "they didn't GET to vote", implying something stopped them. And then....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:05 PM
Mar 2020

...she went on Twitter to explain why she was on Fox News, but thanks to the OP we know this isn't true:


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Thekaspervote

(34,547 posts)
28. No... M4a and total elimination of student debt are political suicide with voters
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:06 PM
Mar 2020

No democrat...not one wants to see anyone go without health care. REAL democrats have been pushing for health care since the early 80’s. This isn’t something unique to sanders!

AOC doesn’t even want to be in the Democratic party and has said so publicly. Her justice dem group has yet to elect one of the candidates she and sanders backed. Running primaries on Nancy Pelosi and Hakeem Jeffries...really? She needs to go home and start work for her constituents.

7%... that’s the number of youth voters for ST#2. So where’s her appeal?

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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
35. 51% of young Americans support tuition-free public college
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:17 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/01/56percent-of-young-americans-support-free-public-college-how-it-might-work.html

Guaranteed education: Free education is important because it guarantees every student in a country some level of education. This means that each student has an equal opportunity to access this level of education on the same scale. 2. Secured life: Education is the key to a secured life.Mar 16, 2018

And:

Majority of voters support free college, eliminating student debt
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/461106-majority-of-voters-support-free-college-eliminating-student-debt

<snip>
Seventy-two percent of Democratic voters said they are in favor of making higher education tuition-free and eliminating student debt, compared to 40 percent of Republicans. Fifty-eight percent of independents, meanwhile, said the same.

How is that "political suicide"? Maybe it is the other way around, not supporting it is "political suicide"?
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George II

(67,782 posts)
46. But only 10-12% of them show up to vote for the candidate proposing it.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:45 PM
Mar 2020
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showblue22

(1,026 posts)
65. He already is the nominee nt
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:56 PM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
25. And here she is telling people "why" she was on Fox News! So why was she complaining....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:03 PM
Mar 2020

...about the voting in Michigan?


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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
31. What is wrong about that statement?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:12 PM
Mar 2020

Maybe I am missing something here?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
37. I suspect the reason she posted that tweet is that she got a lot of flack about....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:19 PM
Mar 2020

....being on Fox News. Why didn't she tweet BEFORE she did it that she was going on Fox News to explain why?

She tweets about everything she does.

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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
49. I suppose you are right, but she should not get any flack for appearing in Fox News
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:53 PM
Mar 2020

Sander and Biden also appeared in Fox News, if anything, it may be a good idea, we all know Fox news viewers need some educating, and to see rational people like those three may be a good idea. I know it is a lot to hope for, but who knows, it may light somebody's bulb.

Ry Cooder (musician) went to Cuba and found old Cuban musicians that Castro's regime had not allowed to go anywhere, or do anything, but Ry Cooder got them out of the dark, invited them to record and "Buenavista Social Club" came about. Great Music.

Anyway, they ended up playing at Carnegie Hall, and as one of them was walking around New York, he kept saying "this is wonderful, people are great, I never though this was like this, they lied to us", so my hope is that one of their appearance in fox news will have the same effect on some MAGATS.

Here is one of my favourite songs from the Buenavista, its happy, and the words have a double meaning, which is funny, and the guy who plays that Cuban guitar is incredible:



I hope you enjoy it.
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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
30. Didn't Biden also appear on Fox news?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:11 PM
Mar 2020

This is from "The Hill":

Fox News has landed several interviews with top Democrats in recent months, including Sanders for a town hall this past Monday and 2020 Democratic front-runner former Vice President Joe Biden earlier this month.


https://thehill.com/homenews/media/487336-ocasio-cortez-set-to-make-her-first-appearance-on-fox-news

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Cha

(305,137 posts)
93. Biden didn't go on fox news to complain about "Dem
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:38 PM
Mar 2020

Voter Suppression".

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brush

(57,382 posts)
34. Guess Sanders' "pied piper effect" wore off...or something.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:16 PM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
45. This is from the Daily Caller, they're already using her appearance as a talking point, but...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:43 PM
Mar 2020

....she DID say there was voter suppression. That's BS! People ALL OVER THE COUNTRY and Michigan waited on line. Old people, young people, male, female, black, white, latino, asian, etc. Young people weren't singled out. Either young people didn't bother to show up or they couldn't be bothered to wait along with all the other people who voted.

(BTW, the video is authentic, please excuse the fact that it's from Daily Caller)


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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
50. She needs to elaborate on what she meant by "voter suppression"
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:56 PM
Mar 2020

The guy was astute enough to disallow her to explain, so she needs to come out and explain now.

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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
53. AOC is on fox a lot. No, it is not good for the Dems - at all
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:58 PM
Mar 2020
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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
68. She could have elaborated at the time.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:59 PM
Mar 2020

She chose not to and instead gave a one-word answer.

At least she seems to understand that they need to do more to get young people to actually vote, which is the real issue.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,601 posts)
77. The youth vote was suppressed because
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:04 PM
Mar 2020

nobody brought ballots to their dorm rooms along with free pizza.

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NBachers

(18,107 posts)
48. Other populations have run State Trooper barricades & billy clubs to vote.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:53 PM
Mar 2020

"What does he bring to Mee??"

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Beartracks

(13,557 posts)
56. Idealism doesn't win elections.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:10 PM
Mar 2020

Turns out, only votes win elections!



=========

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Gore1FL

(21,825 posts)
73. Can you show us on the doll where AOC hurt you? nt
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 08:55 PM
Mar 2020
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Evergreen Emerald

(13,095 posts)
80. Bernie lost because of youth voter suppression?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:30 PM
Mar 2020

Who is she blaming for the youth suppression? Biden? The Democratic party? The Establishment?

She is flat out lying. Lies hurt Democracy.

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Gore1FL

(21,825 posts)
114. I don't understand the need for DU to be a divisive cesspool, that's all. nt
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 04:13 PM
Mar 2020
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Evergreen Emerald

(13,095 posts)
115. I think stating opinions is the purpose of this site
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 04:25 PM
Mar 2020

And the fact that Democrats are attempting to divide us and create chaos is .....cesspoolish and needs to be called out.

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Gore1FL

(21,825 posts)
116. To what benefit?
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 04:27 PM
Mar 2020

How does antagonizing people at DU help Biden?

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Evergreen Emerald

(13,095 posts)
117. I was stating an opinion about OAC
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 04:31 PM
Mar 2020

I was not antagonizing people at DU. If you disagree with my opinion, that OAC should not be lying about the Sanders's loss, state it. But, stop attacking me personally, I have not attacked you.

You feel antagonized by my opinion? Think about what OAC did. Rather than blindly believe.

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juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
82. Boomers take Biden to new heights. But the demographics are changing fast b/c boomers are
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:35 PM
Mar 2020

dying off as the greatest generation has. Crazy world we live in!

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comradebillyboy

(10,444 posts)
83. So does AOC think there should be special express lines
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:41 PM
Mar 2020

that only serve Bernie's voters so they don't have to wait?

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oasis

(51,647 posts)
88. Former Obama aide, David Axelrod said AOC would be THE Bernie
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:09 PM
Mar 2020

surrogate who could unite factions after Biden's nomination. Axe sounded confident when he made the assertion.

I wonder what he thinks now.

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Cha

(305,137 posts)
92. Axe is wrong again.. shocking.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:29 PM
Mar 2020
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oasis

(51,647 posts)
95. I'm done with AOC so long as her credibility is on the line.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:46 PM
Mar 2020

Her Fox News appearances won't do her any favors in that regard.

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Cha

(305,137 posts)
97. Yeah.. I've been done
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:49 PM
Mar 2020

for a long time.

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comradebillyboy

(10,444 posts)
105. Axe seems to have lost about 50 IQ points
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:27 AM
Mar 2020

since he went to work for CNN. I haven't taken him seriously for quite a while now.

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Galraedia

(5,142 posts)
99. She is already trying to backtrack what she said on Twitter
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:00 PM
Mar 2020



"Well I think that one thing that isn't being talked about is the rampant voter suppression in this country..." ~ AOC on Fox News

By the way, Fox News has already wrote an article titled AOC implies voter suppression cost Bernie Sanders Michigan primary: 'Kids were waiting three hours' to vote
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Cha

(305,137 posts)
103. Wonder what clued her into
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:57 PM
Mar 2020

that was a better way to go?

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quickesst

(6,300 posts)
100. maybe they'll give her a job...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:10 PM
Mar 2020

.....after she's primaried.

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OneBro

(1,159 posts)
104. Cliff notes from the interview.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:07 AM
Mar 2020

Well, I think one thing that we — that isn’t being talked about is the rampant voter suppression in this country,” Ocasio-Cortez said, alluding to the long voter lines seen on Super Tuesday in Southern states like Texas, where hundreds of polling places have been closed in recent years. “Right there, in Ann Arbor, where we had that rally, those kids were waiting three hours in line to vote in Michigan. And so when we talk about who’s turning out and who’s not turning out, we absolutely…”

“So, just to be clear, you’re saying that you think voters didn’t get to vote that wanted to vote in Michigan?” Baier broke in to clarify.

“Absolutely,” she confirmed. “You know, obviously there’s also more that we need to do in terms of turning out youth voters. It’s, we need to make sure that we’re inspiring young people to turn out, but when you do turn out, you should not be waiting three, four, seven hours in order to vote. And that causes people to leave.”

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/aoc-in-first-fox-news-visit-blames-sanders-struggles-on-rampant-voter-suppression-long-lines-turned-off-young-voters-in-mich/

Why is this such a big deal? She didn’t say Democrats caused the long waits on college campuses.

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SKKY

(12,223 posts)
108. She's not wrong. And it is a fairly significant indictment against...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:57 AM
Mar 2020

...Bernie that, despite what was promised, young voters did not turn out en masse.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
111. Just occurred to me
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:21 AM
Mar 2020

Why isn't AOC going around claiming "voter suppression" in California? They shut down thousands of polling stations from their last primary and the resulting lines there were much longer than in Michigan.

When Bernie wins states that do this, not a peep outta her. When Bernie loses states that do this, it must be due to some nefarious plot against him. It can't possibly be that the people in Michigan actually prefer Biden to Sanders.

Either this gal ain't quite as smart as many people seem to assert...or she's being extremely disingenuous.

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