who remembers the progression of primary 2008? i am not talking drama, trauma and dirt.

[seabeyond]

i do not do that. i am talking the way obama stepping in and how we saw his base grow, that made him competitive to clinton. i am not recalling.

right now, clinton is so far ahead. looking at realistic expectations from omalley

[misterhighwasted]

1. Appreciate you request leaving the dirt & drama out of this.

As for 08, Obama did certainly surge ahead. I have clear reasons as to why this happened.
For one, Obama is superior in his skillful oration. He has personality & humor & would be a difficult match in debating any point.
And he came to the voting nation as an unkown, pretty much baggage free.
There were certain other factors in his favor, also.

[CentralMass]

2. The party hierarchy pulled the rug out from under HRC's feet.

In the end, Wall St still won.

[misterhighwasted]

3. Interesting point. So why wouldn't the hierarchy prefer Wall Street Hillary to Obama?

I don't understand that but Obama must have given them something Hillary could not or would not.
This is curious, even though we can only suppose at this point.

[CentralMass]

4. i can only guess. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry were actively campaigning for Senator Obama

I recall Hillary being up by double digits in the polls in MA around that time. All of MA's super delegates, Kennedy, Kerry, and Patrick all endorsed Senator Obama. Hillary won our primary decisively but still did get the support of our super d's at the convention. Then there was the Florida and Michigan primary fiasco and the divvied up votes.

The party has issues and I believe has lost the trust of a lot of dems.

[Raine1967]

6. Not this Dem.

What issues do you think the party has?

I can tell you this, the party has far more support than the GOP. we don't have a tea party division.

[FSogol]

8. Every party has issues, but I disagree that the Democratic party has lost the trust of its voters.

Republican obstruction is the problem, not some fault of our candidates/politicians. Place the blame where it belongs, vote (D) in every election, and rebuild our majorities.

[Raine1967]

9. +1

[Raine1967]

5. To your first point: That is not true.

It's hyperbole.

To your second point, you might find a better discussion in GD. I saw your declaration that

The party has issues and I believe has lost the trust of a lot of dems.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1281614#post4

I am not sure you give a care. If you do, then come aboard. but don't come in and slam the party. I don;t think you speak for the party.

I want to know what you are going to do to get Dems elected. I can't stand posts that take a shit on the party without offering solutions.

[CentralMass]

7. The 2008 democratic primary was appalling.

The party has a shitty agenda that is doing nothing for the middle class and voter interest and turnout speaks volumes,