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[merrily]

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[Xipe Totec]

1. Let's also remember that the opposite of progress is congress.

[merrily]

2. Good one!

[Enthusiast]

3. The media can twist any term to suit their agenda.

As we have seen.

[merrily]

4. I'll get there with more posts. Right now, I'm only at 1790 A.D.!

but, who needs media?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4339292

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024747872

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025787400

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026056601

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026982708

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026035424

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024449907

And on and on and on.

[iemitsu]

5. From my perspective, the problem with progress, as an American

political goal, is that progress is always tied to material gain.
Our lives are not necessarily improved because we have more stuff.

[merrily]

6. Well, a flushing toilet vs. an outhouse was considered progress.

Probably cut down on typhoid, to name just one.

On the other hand, it killed Boston Harbor.

[iemitsu]

7. Flushing toilets are a good thing

but how many of us actually count them as part of our material possessions?
They have become standard equipment in American homes. It was progress to install them in homes. Electricity the same. Perhaps even the first radios and televisions. But second and third televisions do not improve our lives.
At least not in my opinion.

[merrily]

8. Not many counted outhouses as part of our material possessions, either. That was my point.

The period of the Idea of Progress was 1620s to 1780s. It was not about cell phones or multiple TVs.