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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Sat May 30, 2015, 06:13 PM May 2015

Hillary Clinton's Controversial Pastor--Daily Kos (from Hillary's First Run for President)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/19/480201/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Controversial-Pastor

Over at Talk to Action, (and here on Daily Kos) I have highlighted the strange relationship between Hillary Clinton and the secretive Religious Right network known as "The Family." Jeff Sharlet and Kathryn Joyce wrote about this in Mother Jones and wanted to ask her about it, but she declined.


In the wake of the controversy over Barack Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, Barbara Erenreich, writing at The Nation, thinks it is only fair and reasonable to ask Hillary Clinton about her relationship with Doug Coe, the controversial leader of The Family, and for that matter, The Family itself.

I raise this again at the urging of a friend, who thinks this should be aired. In fairness, it is going to be aired no matter what I do or don't do, so you might as well hear it from me first. This diary really only scratches the surface of what is truly a deeper matter, and goes to what is an important dimension of the sometimes shadowy power game in the nation's capital. Hillary Clinton is far from alone in participating in the "Family;" and the network is bipartisan. But Sen. Clinton is the only one who happens to be running for president, and like Obama and McCain, she really ought to step-up and explain herself.


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Here is an excerpt from Erenreich's article:

There's a reason Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she's a lot more vulnerable than Obama.


You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that "through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as "The "Fellowship," a k a The Family. But it won't be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposé The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in May.

This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, The Family's publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."


Furthermore, The Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.


What drew Clinton into the sinister heart of the international right? Maybe it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by ever-changing hairstyles and names: Hillary Rodham, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton and now Hillary Clinton. She reached out to many potential spiritual mentors during her White House days, including New Age guru Marianne Williamson and the liberal rabbi Michael Lerner. But it was the Family association that stuck.


Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

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Here is more about The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power.

http://www.harpercollins.com/9780060559793/the-family
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Hillary Clinton's Controversial Pastor--Daily Kos (from Hillary's First Run for President) (Original Post) KoKo May 2015 OP
And, of course, 'The Family' has it's hooks in quite a few Republicans in politics as well. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #1
Thanks, I didn't want to sleep tronight anyway. arcane1 May 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author hedda_foil May 2015 #2
Aw, jeez, you've gone & done it now, KoKo. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #3
This is apparently a hot topic, so be warned! arcane1 May 2015 #4
uh oh marym625 May 2015 #6
Well..it's Daily Kos...Harper's Magazine...The Nation Magizine and a Legitimate Book Review... KoKo May 2015 #7
Last time this information was posted, it was hidden, though I'm not quite sure why arcane1 May 2015 #8
Want to take a guess? marym625 May 2015 #10
I meant what will happen to your post marym625 May 2015 #9
You didn't say it badly at all....! KoKo May 2015 #11
I remember all that stuff very well marym625 May 2015 #12
I wonder if that's the source of the "preacher friend" she mentions in that CNN article. arcane1 May 2015 #13
Which CNN Article? KoKo May 2015 #14
"With scripture, Hillary Clinton wins over a voter" arcane1 May 2015 #16
And yet we continue to hear whining from the clinton sycophants tularetom Jun 2015 #22
Um, message hidden by jury decision...The entire thread is now locked... merrily May 2015 #20
I don't think Clinton really believes all that crap, not that that says anything good about her tularetom May 2015 #15
Not backing away. There was a swoon piece in GD recently--Hillary encountering a minister studying merrily May 2015 #21
Thank you for posting. Paka May 2015 #17
Doug Coe is a total piece of shit! Why haven't you recognized that, Hillary? Enthusiast May 2015 #18
They believe that those whom God has called to lead-which, I guess, means anyone merrily May 2015 #19

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. And, of course, 'The Family' has it's hooks in quite a few Republicans in politics as well.
Sat May 30, 2015, 06:15 PM
May 2015

My nightmare scenario is a Presidential election where the major candidates are both (all?) Dominionists.

Response to KoKo (Original post)

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
7. Well..it's Daily Kos...Harper's Magazine...The Nation Magizine and a Legitimate Book Review...
Sat May 30, 2015, 06:30 PM
May 2015

If it is getting that bad out there.....then we are in Deep Trouble!

Getting rid of our Mainstream Resources?

marym625

(17,997 posts)
9. I meant what will happen to your post
Sat May 30, 2015, 06:39 PM
May 2015

Not your post. Though it seems like they're playing elsewhere the last few days

Sorry that I said it badly

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. You didn't say it badly at all....!
Sat May 30, 2015, 07:18 PM
May 2015


I was responding, here, because when I saw the OP's post about being Hidden in "GD" and remembered Jeff Sharlit's piece in Harpers...I went back in search to get the info from that time because it was an important article back then and deserves another look since Hillary is running again. I thought PMRG would be a better place to post the info since GD didn't work out for the OP with the Lock.

Her background sure seems to deserve scrutiny about her involvement with "The Family." That a post was locked about it did seem like a Jury who wasn't aware of her background with "The Family" and the questions that were raised about Hillary's involvement back then.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
12. I remember all that stuff very well
Sat May 30, 2015, 07:24 PM
May 2015

She is not the person so many believe she is,

Glad you did all the research. Great post

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
16. "With scripture, Hillary Clinton wins over a voter"
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:04 PM
May 2015

To spare you paragraph after paragraph (after paragraph...) of pure ass-kissing, here's the quote I refer to:

"You're doing what is the most important thing to do, it's continuing to study and learn what the scripture says and what it means," she said. "I have a preacher friend who sends me scripture and devotionals, sometimes mini-sermons every day."


http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/27/politics/hillary-clinton-2016-election-faith/

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
22. And yet we continue to hear whining from the clinton sycophants
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:51 AM
Jun 2015

About how unfair the media are to Hillary Clinton.

In the dictionary, next to "puff piece", you will find a picture of that article.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
15. I don't think Clinton really believes all that crap, not that that says anything good about her
Sat May 30, 2015, 07:51 PM
May 2015

I think she was cynical enough to believe that associating with this gang of nuts will build her credibility with the group that she believed represents the prevailing mood of Americans.

Because all her feedback comes from the beltway media, she actually thought that we're all a bunch of religious fanatics and if she pretended to be one of us we would all love her.

Obviously she miscalculated badly and she's now trying to back away. She'd like everybody to just forget this episode in her life ever happened.

It's not a profession of faith it's a calculated political move. Which is probably worse.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. Not backing away. There was a swoon piece in GD recently--Hillary encountering a minister studying
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:07 PM
May 2015

the Bible in a bakery and quoting the Bible to him. The story did not seem very believable to me, but whatever. Apparently, it was worth a lot of column inches. Whenever religion comes up around anyone who knows about the Family, the Family is likely to come up as well.

ETA: I had not noticed: arcane 1 nlinked that GD thread in Reply 16.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
17. Thank you for posting.
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:14 PM
May 2015

I was out of the country during the 2008 primary and being a strong "not Hillary" person, I never saw anything about it. Call it "The Family," "Dominionist," whatever, they are all scary.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
19. They believe that those whom God has called to lead-which, I guess, means anyone
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:32 AM
May 2015

who decides to run for office claiming God had something to do with that decision--is not subject to laws of man OR God.

Now, when you get that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is one of the Big Ten laws of God......

This is what Governor Hiking the Appalachian Trail meant when he started muttering about King David after Gov got caught with his honey.

King David had tried to kill the husband of Bathsheba because David was lusting after Bathsheba. And David was still so beloved by God that he was chosen to be the ancestor of Christ (in theory anyway)*. So, from that, I gues, they got the concept that anything goes if you've been chosen to lead, including murder. (Shades of House of Cards.)

Most of the time, I try not to think about it because the more I think about it, the more awful it seems.


I posted something very similar Friday on another DU thread where the Family was discussed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026748033

peacebird recently got an OP on this topic hidden. IIRC, it consisted solely of a subject line mentioning Hillary's connection to the Family and some links to articles on that subject, including one from that famous RW source, Huffpo.

Word to the wise.

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