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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 03:15 PM Apr 2015

Turn Up the Heat! Hillary Campaign Needs to Champion Populism....

(If all else fails ---Keep her Feet to the Fire? Anyway thought it a good push back on the "Inevitable" and he makes some interesting points that Populists shouldn't be quiet but should organize and yell louder)

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April 13, 2015

As Frederick Douglass taught us, “power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has and it never will.”


Populist Movements Offer an Answer, Not a Threat.

Republican politicians, it is said, fear their activist base, while Democrats have disdain for theirs. The adage is particularly true for the Clinton crowd, which now is hailing Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel for teaching Hillary Clinton how to “tame the left” (raise lots of big bucks and drown any challenger in attack ads while playing mock humble). It’s not accidental that Hillary’s opening video presented everyday Americans on their own, not as part of a movement in struggle.

Movements are messy, polarizing, impudent. Hillary’s instinct – and that of the advisors around her – is to stay above the fray. The peril is she could easily end up looking like (and becoming) a status quo candidate. Being the first woman president is not sufficient to generate the excitement that’s needed.

The populist movements aren’t driving Hillary to the left; they are inviting her to join the emerging majority of Americans and champion the change we need.



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The Populist Temper Inside and Outside the Democratic Party Continues to Build.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announces he’ll enlist progressive leaders to put out an Inequality Contract with America, to force the debate. Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Rep. Elijah Cummings launch a Middle Class Prosperity Project, promising hearings across the country. This week, three major national grassroots groups and the Campaign for America’s Future will announce an alliance to drive a populist platform across the country. The AFL-CIO promises convocations on raising wages in all of the early primary states. The Center for Community Change will enlist others in a campaign for jobs.

Hillary’s campaign will test this activism. The juggernaut will inhale liberal money. Unions, civil rights groups, women’s groups, environmentalists will be pushed to sign up and chip in. Pressure will build on progressive leaders to get on board. Already there’s talk that a contested primary would be disruptive. No one wants Republicans to gain control of the White House. The temptation will be to paint Hillary as “likable enough,” in Obama’s demeaning phrase, as progressive enough, as a reformer worthy of support.

This won’t do. The wealthiest 1 percent% is capturing 95 percent of the income growth coming out of the Great Recession. This doesn’t happen by accident. It happens only because the rules have been rigged to benefit the few. It can only be altered with fundamental changes in policy and direction. Despite the worst economic calamity since the Great Depression and the worst military debacle since Vietnam, the elites and institutions that dominate our economic and national security policy remain largely in place.


As Frederick Douglass taught us, “power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has and it never will.” The lesson of the Obama administration is clear. Those movements that continued to mobilize, drive the debate and challenge the administration made progress. Those that folded into the White House operations got lost.

After a quarter century at the apex of American government, Hillary Clinton is an unlikely champion of the fundamental changes we need. But she is brilliant and resilient. It’s clear that the argument posed by Elizabeth Warren has already concentrated her mind. She’ll lead the charge only if populist movements and upheavals make her do it. This isn’t a time to stand down in the name of party unity. This is a time to turn up the heat.

Whole Article is a Good Read:

http://ourfuture.org/20150413/hillarys-in-challenges-for-the-new-populism
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Turn Up the Heat! Hillary Campaign Needs to Champion Populism.... (Original Post) KoKo Apr 2015 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #1
If Hillary hasn't learned "Populism" yet, bvar22 Apr 2015 #2
Exactly. peacebird Apr 2015 #5
I doubt it, also..but a bit of hope if Populists can seize the moment.. KoKo Apr 2015 #7
Obama did all that "Populist" stuff while running, bvar22 Apr 2015 #8
We've got to find someone else to run to force a Primary.... KoKo Apr 2015 #10
I watched the 3rd Party Debates with intense interest in 2012. bvar22 Apr 2015 #12
Wow, that's wild. lovemydog Apr 2015 #13
Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats want them back. bvar22 Apr 2015 #14
Unreal. Thanks for the info. lovemydog Apr 2015 #15
They are working on challenging Voter I.D. Laws, Campaign Finance Disclosure and other issues.... KoKo Apr 2015 #20
I want to know the truth from each candidate. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #11
Indeed, Indeed, Indeed. 2banon Apr 2015 #21
...besides, there is lots of video from the 2008 campaign that demonstrates bvar22 Apr 2015 #23
that's really interesting flash from the past, so glad it's recorded. Did you see that vile look she 2banon Apr 2015 #24
No matter what, I do believe populists will do exactly that. Enough is Enough! mother earth Apr 2015 #3
Why? She will say anything to get elected, then return to her DLC, corporatist, warhawk roots peacebird Apr 2015 #4
My thoughts exactly. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #9
"Populists shouldn't be quiet but should organize and yell louder" Phlem Apr 2015 #6
I prefer the speak softly but carry a big stick approach myself. lovemydog Apr 2015 #16
Agreed, Phlem Apr 2015 #17
Thank you for your kind response, Phlem. lovemydog Apr 2015 #18
Right now is the time to FIGHT BACK! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #19
Yes! 2banon Apr 2015 #25
I totally agree. We may lose in the primary but we need to continue working to promote rhett o rick Apr 2015 #28
I don't get why we are supposed to be impressed by Hillary parroting Elizabeth's words. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #22
YES! SPOT F**KING ON! EVERY WORD! 2banon Apr 2015 #26
Aw, shaddup Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #27
Nothing weaker than sucking of the energy of the real article. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #29

Response to KoKo (Original post)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
2. If Hillary hasn't learned "Populism" yet,
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:04 PM
Apr 2015

I doubt this remake will be successful.

She may copy the words from Warren & Sanders,
but they will always sound hollow coming from her mouth.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
7. I doubt it, also..but a bit of hope if Populists can seize the moment..
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:34 PM
Apr 2015

If she does adopt the language she can be challenged for "pandering?" Maybe....hopefully, we can be a counterbalance to the "Inevitable" with a better message

Lots of young people see what's going on. . There was a study that TV watching among the young is way down. They use "Twitter"and other Social Media ways to connect. Who knows if that will make a difference in them not being so manipulated by the MSM as the generations before them. But, they are living in tough enough times that it might make them more open to organizing to make the change that we all couldn't except for a short while.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
8. Obama did all that "Populist" stuff while running,
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:39 PM
Apr 2015

but immediately dropped the phony act as soon as he was in the Oval Office.


Hillary HAS a track record, and it will be hard to reconcile with someone who want to call themselves a "Populist".

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
10. We've got to find someone else to run to force a Primary....
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:04 PM
Apr 2015

At least to get another voice in there. I'd hope to see more.

I even had a weird thought, today, that maybe Progressive Groups like the "Nation/Democracy Now" could sponsor a Populist Primary and invite our most Liberal Congresscritters to participate.

"Democracy Now" held a "Third Party Counter" in real time to the 2012 Election Primary Debate with the Green Party Candidate and a Libertarian. Wouldn't it be great to have a Populist/Progressive Primary for the 2016 Election? If we don't try to do something like that and just accept the inevitable of Hillary without having to even Debate then we are truly voiceless.

Maybe enough Progressive Groups could pull together and get funding to hold a Populist/Progressive Primary and some prominent Congresspersons would show up? Lend Support?

Oh...well. It's just an idea.


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
12. I watched the 3rd Party Debates with intense interest in 2012.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:19 PM
Apr 2015

They actually debated ISSUES, and had to answer questions.
It was enlightening, refreshing, and energizing.
I was amazed at how many important issues were "left out" of the MSM "debates"
because BOTH Parties agreed 100%....nothing to debate there so America doesn't have to know!


Here is what the League of Women Voters said about the Presidential Debates when they refused to be a part of the circus anymore.

In 1987, the LWV withdrew from debate sponsorship, in protest of the major party candidates attempting to dictate nearly every aspect of how the debates were conducted. On October 2, 1988, the LWV's 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release:

" The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates...because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."

According to the LWV, they pulled out because "the campaigns presented the League with their debate agreement on September 28, two weeks before the scheduled debate. The campaigns' agreement was negotiated 'behind closed doors' ... [with] 16 pages of conditions not subject to negotiation. Most objectionable to the League...were conditions in the agreement that gave the campaigns unprecedented control over the proceedings.... [including] control the selection of questioners, the composition of the audience, hall access for the press and other issues."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates



Let me repeat:
It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."


I would LOVE to see Hillary (or any other 3rd Way "Democrat&quot enter a legitimate DEBATE
with Rocky Anderson or Jill Stein.
They would tear her up and throw away the pieces.


lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
13. Wow, that's wild.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 06:09 PM
Apr 2015

Is there any chance the League of Women Voters can be brought back?

I've always admired and respected them.

I'm going to check out their web site now.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
14. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats want them back.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 06:18 PM
Apr 2015

The League of Women Voters asked HARD questions, and confronted the candidates with their records.
The Nerve of those nosy women!!!
but they finally got the Memo.

Real "Debates" are not wanted by either Party.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
15. Unreal. Thanks for the info.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:24 PM
Apr 2015

I bookmarked their site and will explore it more.

I've always liked The League of Women Voters.

I think they should be invited back and shouldn't be given a list of demands by either party.

Here's their site in case anyone else is interested.

http://lwv.org

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. They are working on challenging Voter I.D. Laws, Campaign Finance Disclosure and other issues....
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 07:48 AM
Apr 2015
But...I still wish they could take back control of Primary Debates from the Mainstream Media. Their website is pretty user friendly.

Other issues they work on:

One Year Later: Money Still Floods Our Elections
04/02/2015 | Nancy Tate
McCutcheon v FEC, U.S. Supreme Court

Today marks one year since the U.S.Supreme Court invalidated limits on the total amount an individual can donate to candidates or political parties in McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission (FEC).
As LWVUS president Elisabeth MacNamara stated at the time, in this decision the Court said that big money is worth more than the voices of individual citizens.
League Joins Letter to U.S. House on H.R. 425

The League joined a letter to members of the U.S. House of Representatives encouraging them to support and cosponsor H.R. 425, legislation that would end coordination between Super PACs and candidates.
Testifying to the FEC on the Role of Money in Politics
02/13/2015 | Elisabeth MacNamara

Federal elections commission, Citizens United, Campaign Finance

Saturday marks the 95th anniversary of the founding of the League of Women Voters. When Carrie Chapman Catt called for a League of Women Voters to “finish the fight,” she was talking about more than just the fight for women’s suffrage.
FEC Hearing on "Corruption in the Political Process"

President MacNamara offered testimony at a hearing held by the Federal Election Commission (FEC) on February 11, 2015. The hearing follows a comment period where thousands of citizens expressed their concern over the need for stricter disclosure rules and to strengthen regulations on coordination between candidates and secret, dark money groups. President MacNamara called on the agency to update regulations on campaign finance laws to provide full disclosure in light of recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions

Citizens United and McCutcheon v. FEC.
League to Federal Election Commission: “Protect the Voters and Enforce the Law”
02/11/2015 | Kelly Ceballos

McCutcheon v FEC, Federal Election Commission, campaign finance reform, political corruption, SuperPACs, political action committee
League President MacNamara urges the FEC to update campaign finance regulations to provide full disclosure so that the Citizens United decision does not continue as the giant loophole for secret giving that it has become

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
11. I want to know the truth from each candidate.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:10 PM
Apr 2015

I want to know exactly where they stand on Social Security and Medicare. Social Security is my sole source of income. This is issue number one for me. As far as I know Hillary has said nothing about Social Security and Medicare.

Also. We are being subjected to influx of DU secret agents of misinformation. I'm just saying.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
21. Indeed, Indeed, Indeed.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 06:29 PM
Apr 2015

There's no way in hell HRC could possibly mimick Warren or Sanders with any level of authenticity.

We all know she's married to Wall Street and will always be married to Wall Street.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. ...besides, there is lots of video from the 2008 campaign that demonstrates
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 08:34 PM
Apr 2015

.....how Unpopulist she really is, like this:




She will have to face many of these, and explain that she has "evolved", or some other lie that won't sell.
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
24. that's really interesting flash from the past, so glad it's recorded. Did you see that vile look she
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 09:46 PM
Apr 2015

gave Obama when he corrected her on the facts of that issue? Wow!

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
4. Why? She will say anything to get elected, then return to her DLC, corporatist, warhawk roots
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:30 PM
Apr 2015

What good is having her pretend she gives a damn about progressive populist ideas ?

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
9. My thoughts exactly.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:39 PM
Apr 2015

She will never be a progressive, and we will never be able to make her progressive. We shouldn't even try.

On the other hand, organizing and forcing her to be progressive, along with the legislative branch? Worth a shot.

Edit: assuming she gets the nomination, of course, which is sadly looking rather likely.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
16. I prefer the speak softly but carry a big stick approach myself.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:34 PM
Apr 2015

The only way we can carry a big stick is by organizing. At smaller local levels. From the bottom up rather than top down. We only get listened to if we have constituents and voting blocs.

But I feel times are changing pretty quickly. When people get excited about something they can get excited pretty quickly. The problem with that though is that it happens much more online and with social media now, than with the specifically much tougher task of holding meetings, going door to door, getting out of the comfort of one's own place, stuff that used to be able to generate much interest.

As far as the hard work of organizing progressive populist reform within the democratic party, I think it takes all types. Personally I just find that as far as my own personality style goes, and feeling most comfortable within my own skin, that I persuade people better being somewhat soft-spoken. That doesn't mean I'm any less determined to affect populist reform.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
17. Agreed,
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 08:22 PM
Apr 2015

The thing of it is, for me, I was abused for a long time starting before I could speak (yes I remember) and have PTSD to show for it. The good news is I ended it. I fought back and it stopped. That's the impression I get from Republicans and centrists, the would be abusers, and the rest of us who take it day in and day out. I voted for Obama because of his populist rhetoric and we needed a good push back at the time after Bush. Instead we got "I'm a new Democrat" (thirdway) during his acceptance speech.

We've been conned and abused for more than 30 years and we don't need act like an abused spouse who can't leave the abuser. Been there done that.

If we don't put a stop to it, it will most certainly continue.

I completely agree with what your saying, I might just have a different style. The one thing I will not do is give up. I have a little girls that deserves a bright future and giving that away to the 1%...... I can't do that to her.

PS. I miss my dog. We missed putting her down gently by one hour and I will always remember the gentle kiss she gave me on her last night here on earth. I have never bawled so much in my life before. She was the best anyone could have. ehh excuse me I have to blow my nose.

Take care and I hope to talk to you more.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
18. Thank you for your kind response, Phlem.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 08:48 PM
Apr 2015

And I hear you loud and clear!

To me it's a little like the Martin Luther King and Malcolm X things. Both seeking similar justice and both necessary to the movement.

I'm a democratic socialist. I'm a 'straddler' in that I straddle between the socialist part and the democratic part. I can live with it in myself. In no way do I straddle toward the centrist or corporate side of the democratic party. I can't even stand meeting those types of people in person, lol.

Like you say, it takes all types.

And I'm happy to talk with you more as well!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
19. Right now is the time to FIGHT BACK!
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 09:58 PM
Apr 2015

Right now, right through to the end of the primaries.

After that, I don't know what to do.

Thanks, KoKo.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
25. Yes!
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 09:49 PM
Apr 2015

I won't know what to do after the primaries either, but yes, fight right on through to the end of that phase.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
28. I totally agree. We may lose in the primary but we need to continue working to promote
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:35 PM
Apr 2015

the Populist Movement. Clinton can't stop the movement.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
22. I don't get why we are supposed to be impressed by Hillary parroting Elizabeth's words.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015

We know who Hillary is and she is no progressive. She's a neoliberal hawk on foreign policy, a coward when it comes to equal rights (giving an interview with NPR last summer supporting states rights when it comes to same-sex marriage), and she has supported bad domestic policy such as the TPP (which she helped write) and the Keystone pipeline (which she ordered a compromised environmental impact report on).

I ask again: Why should we be impressed by her mouthing words she clearly does not mean? I don't give a good goddamn what she says. She's behaving like she's on Quaaludes now as if we have forgotten what an aggressively ugly campaign she ran against Obama. I have no doubt in my mind with the least inkling of competition, she will revert to that person.

This is Elizabeth Warren's time now. She has the voice and the message to carry forth as the Democratic nominee. I know she's thinking about running with all her public appearances and speeches.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
27. Aw, shaddup
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 10:27 AM
Apr 2015

and eat your programming.

And, as far as that connection between Hill & the Street, just remember--"It takes a pillage…"

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
29. Nothing weaker than sucking of the energy of the real article.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:52 PM
Apr 2015

And how condescending.

Clinton will lose, we will suffer.

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