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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:13 PM Mar 2015

Progressives vs. Republicans and Democrats

This war is heating up...

Progressives vs. Republicans and Democrats
Mar 2012

There is a war going on in this country and it’s not the war between Democrats and Republicans. It’s a war between progressives—those who represent the interests of the poor and middle classes, people like Elizabeth Warren, Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, and progressive activists—and Democrats and Republicans who feed at the corporate trough (most Democrats and all Republicans).

Corporate Democrats—like Rep. Steve Israel, Chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC)—consistently support corporate candidates over progressive candidates. Israel and the DCCC are busy throwing money and resources at reactionary Blue Dog candidates who often vote with Republicans—including Mike McIntyre (NC), Tim Holden (PA), John Barrow (GA), Jim Matheson (UT) Ben Chandler (KY), Nick Lampson (TX), Clark Hall (AR). Rob Wallace (OK), and Leonard Bembry (FL).

When they are not doing that they are recruiting Republicans to run as Democrats.

Progressives shut out of the political arena

Progressives who try to compete against corporate Democrats or Republicans are often shut out of the running by lack of money, lack of backing by the DCCC or the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), or they are shunned when they refuse to go along with the “slash and burn” politics typical of both parties. ...

In 2010, progressive candidate Arthur Lieber ran against Tea Party incumbent Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) and lost. Lieber ran a low-budget, self-funded campaign in Missouri’s Second District. Because the district was heavily Republican, his chances were not good. But what was most striking was the complete lack of interest in his campaign by the Democratic Party of Missouri or the DCCC in Washington. Because Lieber was not an establishment Democrat, the Party and the media ignored him. Instead of working to defeat Akin, for years, the Democratic Party had written off the district. Lieber ran in the Second because no Democrat filed to run, and he felt strongly that voters needed a choice. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, couldn’t have cared less.

Corporate Democrats: A high wire balancing act

Among the top 10 contributors to Sen. Patty Murray, (Chair of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC)) are Boeing, Microsoft and Weyerhaeuser. Among the top 10 for Rep. Wasserman Schultz, (Democratic National Committee Chairwoman), are Boeing, Microsoft and American Crystal Sugar. Corporations give campaign funds to Democrats and Republicans because, in return, they expect policies and legislation that benefit their bottom line. Unlike Republicans, Democrats are expected to vote for the interests of working families and they campaign on the promise to do so. ...
DCCC refuses to take on Ryan, Cantor or Boehner

Down With Tyranny! reports that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) uses high profile Republican villains like Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor and John Boehner to raise money yet they make little or no effort to defeat them in their home districts. For example, Boehner has a 28% approval rating in Ohio, but the DCCC has no intention of taking him on. Boehner, who is raising piles of money for his reelection, will end up giving the money, which may reach upwards of $25,000,000, to other Republican candidates to use against Democrats around the country.

Again, according to Down With Tyranny! for the twelve years he has been in office, DC Democrats have never once seriously challenged Paul Ryan in Wisconsin. This year Ryan has a serious opponent, progressive candidate Rob Zerban, but the DCCC has yet to cut him a check. The DCCC fills its coffers by attacking Ryan in national press releases and attack ads, but refuses to take him on locally in Wisconsin. Why? Ryan gets his cash and power from the same corporate donors who fund establishment Democrats. Obviously, for DC Democrats, taking on certain high profile Republicans is off limits, perhaps because their shared donors have an investment in them staying in office.

A corporate Democrat and Republican meet in a bar . . .

Actually, it wasn’t at a bar, it was backstage at a Fiscal Summit held by the Pete Peterson Foundation in 2011. Bill Clinton and Paul Ryan were both scheduled to speak. Pete Peterson is a billionaire who wants to balance the budget by destroying Social Security and Medicare. The transcript of the conversation, recorded without their knowledge, is about Social Security and Medicare.....
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Clinton: “I’m glad we won this race in New York, but I hope Democrats don’t use it as an excuse to do nothing.”

Ryan: “My guess is it’s gonna sink into paralysis, is what’s gonna happen. And you know the math. I mean, it’s just—we knew we were putting ourselves out there. But you gotta start this. You gotta get out there. You gotta get this thing moving.”

Clinton told Ryan to call him if he ever wanted to talk about the issue, Ryan said he would, and the two parted.
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So, there you have a high profile corporate Democrat, former president Bill Clinton, and Republican Paul Ryan agreeing that Social Security and Medicare are on the table. Which is why you can’t ever trust a corporate Democrat....

http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2012/03/29/progressives-vs-republicans-and-democrats/



*I saw this first hand in Ohio for the 2014 race. The unknown (& apparently unvetted) Democratic challenger ag Gov Kasich was completely left on his own, without enough money for even a TV ad.

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Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
1. I've been watching that dog and pony show for years.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:10 PM
Mar 2015

The list at DCCC goes on and on. Harold Ford, Rahm Emmanuel, Steve Israel, etc, and so forth.

I've seen them fund former Republicans, running against progressive Democrats DURING THE PRIMARIES, when they're supposed to be neutral. They flat out ignore progressives.

I've seen DWS for all intents and purposes, endorse Republicans in Florida, because, "they're her friends".

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
3. In my case, I'm late to the party.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 06:25 PM
Mar 2015

Turns out, ignorance IS bliss! I knew corporations were taking over govt policy, sure. But I had no idea how the DCCC was enabling this & manipulating the elections. Not wanting to oust Boehner because he's a hot button fund raiser for Dems? Christ. What about the harm he does to our country while in office? Recruiting rethugs to run as Dems? Its sickening.

I'm in awe of your ability to watch this for years, and still tune in.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
5. as is well documented, the party big shots supported anti-healthcare incumbent Blanche Lincoln
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:39 PM
Mar 2015

in the 2010 AR senate primary. She got trounced in the GE but that gave the Wh and the party cover for passing Gingrinch Care instead of the public option that Obama promised voters in 2008. I believe they know that their "centrism" is pretty much handing the country to the Republicans - that has been the plan all along.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
7. Conservatives know that lower turnout helps the Republicans.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 07:19 AM
Mar 2015

Centrist/moderate/DLC/Third Way Dems give very little hope to many Americans. Conservative Dems don't speak out on issues that many Americans want them to speak out on. The fact that turnout has fallen so low should not be a surprising thing in light of this.

Progressive Dems that fight for the People will wake people up and get them to the polls. They'll also get LOTS of people in the street fighting for them, talking to their neighbors, increasing turnout, etc.

Conservative Dems know this too. They get paid very well to ignore this fact.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
8. It seems to be less and less about party distinction than economics
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 10:35 AM
Mar 2015

The traditional left-right, Democrat-republican
division seems to have blurred to the point that
it's now predominantly about inner-outer party,
or up-down economics?

Considering the role campaign cash plays in elections
maybe it's worth reconsidering the role big donors play?

Is it the donations, or the fealty that the money buys?
Can candidates accept donations without selling their soul?

TheKentuckian

(26,250 posts)
9. Can they? Sure, but in practice folks like return on their investment and if you don't stay bought
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 09:06 AM
Mar 2015

not only does the well dry up but all the sudden the opposition becomes more flush with ca$h to take you out.

I'd imagine other "allies" also become decidedly less friendly and cooperative and FUD bubbles up about you from all angles from the media to letters to the editor and anywhere one can imagine.

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