Yep... 'How the Democrats Could Win Every Election' - DailyBeast
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How the Democrats Could Win Every Election
The Democrats are getting populist, which is nice. But will it be enough to lure the millions who dont vote to the polls?
Monica Potts - DailyBeast
1/15/15
The most financially secure participants were strongly Republican, which is no surprise. The least financially secure were much more likely to prefer Democratic policies. That included the mythical white working class, a group liberals have worried about the Democrats losing because of social-justice issues like race and gender relations. Even though white voters overall were more likely to tilt Republican, support for the GOP declines as we move down the income scale, and the poorest whites were more likely to say they liked Democrats better. Will this finally end the myth that the nation is full of poor whites voting against their economic interests?
The least financially secure group was more likely to say that the government should do more to help the needy, which might indicate support for a proposal like Van Hollens. But the bigger problem is that people who were the least financially secure were also the least likely to vote. On top of that, few of them ever wrote to their Congressperson or knew much about the current Congress or the current political field.
This is a big group of votersat least 20 percent of Americanswho could be swayed by Democratic policies. Yet both parties leave their votes on the table.
Why might lower-income and lower-wealth Americans be so disengaged? The Pew survey didnt make any claims, but noted that the least financially secure surveyed were less ideologically consistent than the better-off participants, so maybe they dont strongly identify with a party and that keeps them from feeling moved to vote. Indeed, the least well off were more likely to say they had no preference between the Democratic and Republican candidates in the 2014 elections.
It could also be that, until now, the Democratic Party seemed as friendly to the big banks at times as the Republicans. See above: Warren challenging Obamas Treasury nominee for being a Wall Streeter.
I think this group doesnt see Democrats doing much to enhance their economic security. Even these voters know the game is rigged against them and dont seen many politicians of either party rising to be their champion. Democrats seem ready to cede lots of ground on policies that will hit Americans with the lowest incomes the hardest, like raising the Social Security retirement age and cutting benefits.
The lives of low-income, financially insecure Americans are busy, insecure ones. They are less likely to be well educated and more likely to have a disability that keeps them from working full time. They are more likely to be women who have never been married, which means many are overwhelmed single mothers. The least well-off financially likely includes men who have spent some time in the criminal justice system, which means they are literally disenfranchised or believe they cannot vote even if they live in a state where they could.
More: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/15/how-the-democrats-could-win-every-election.html#
corkhead
(6,119 posts)or their constituency will become disillusioned and not vote. Oh wait!
tblue
(16,350 posts)Follow through. Fight and don't give up. What a concept.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)One of the biggest challenges for Populists
is refuting 3rd-Way corporatists who pretend
to be Populists and then undermine the movement.
As Hillary seeks to ride the Populist wave she will
adopt talking points to "sound" Populist and then
discredit us when she turns her back.
Look at how the Van Hollen-Pelosi "Action Plan"
is being presented as "Populist" at the Washington Times
push bolder wealth redistribution[/font color]
House Democrats, fresh off massive election losses,
say the problem is they didnt make a bold enough
case for tax increases and wealth transfer to the poor.
They rectified that Monday with a speech by Rep. Chris Van Hollen
proposing tax increases on the wealthy with the money
going straight to tax cuts for the poor and middle class.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/12/chris-van-hollen-house-democrats-push-tax-increase/?page=all
Is "wealth redistribution" Populist?
Looks more like the typical centrist democrat tweaking the tax code.
And it's feeding the right-wing narrative of "tax and spend" liberals.
Taking from "productive" people and giving to "takers"?
It's a political wedge to foment class resentments.
That crap needs to get shut down!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)and present the solutions to all problems as a tax cut...just like the GOP says it is.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Populists will need to stay sharp to defeat
the media and 3rd-Way spin doctors.
They will shape the message and define Populists
if Populists don't do it for themselves.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Especially about the progressives having to be sharp and not play their game.
They will have to keep their eyes on the prize.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)There was another thread about it to much applause. Yay! Let's prove that the Republicans were right all along and the REAL problem is taxes!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6074148
Democrats need to run on traditional Democratic values: education, health care and jobs, jobs, JOBS. Tax breaks are nice if you have a job that pays enough that you even have to pay taxes. Think about how many people you could get to come out to vote if your platform was raising minimum wage.
Lest we forget
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)No one, absolutely NO ONE should work
full-time and not earn a living wage!
The paternalistic crap about "high school" wages
and McJobs being stepping stones is done, over, kaput.
Too many adults and parents have no other alternatives.
Walmart is their only opportunity.
Living wages will change that.
Chuck Schumer wants a BOLD Democratic idea?
Living wages, Chuck!
Living wages!
CrispyQ
(38,269 posts)I still have that bumper sticker from the Bush years. Maybe I'll go find it.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose'.
And the voters have spoken loud and clear on that in two Mid Terms now.
Yet the Dem Leadership continues to ignore the message the voters are sending them, see Nancy Pelosi's latest salvo against the message of the voters.
So, what can voters do to get past the Leadership?
Focus on Congressional races. THAT is where the people have the best chance of regaining the power that has been stolen from them by Corporate backed elected officials.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)And Mrs. Pelosi's remarks were not surprising. She is very good at sounding like a liberal. In my encounters with her, if you are not uber rich and famous, she will look right through you (saw this happen so many times it was embarrassing). I'm so sick of liberalism/progressivism being a "brand" they can shrug on and off whenever it suits them or their owners. And I'm sick of people falling for it over and over again.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)again a high profile and attractive Republican (Stefanik) ran against a nobody (Aaron Woolf) for the open seat.
That was a big enough problem but what sealed the Republican victory was the fact that almost every night on the national news we got to see Democratic candidates in high profile races like Alison Grimes trying to be better Republicans than the Republican candidates. We saw more of news about a Republican wannabee on the national news than we did about our own Democratic candidate on the local news.
Why would anyone bother to vote for a Democrat if they see some (many) that act and talk just like Republicans?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)and recommended a whole bunch!
Indydem
(2,642 posts)As people move up in economic security, people become more conservative and support more republican ideas.
So, if we work to increase peoples economic security, they will inevitably become republicans?
This clearly opens the door to the often repeated republican talking point that we want to keep people poor so that they "need" us.
I don't like this survey at all, not only for it's allusions to the future, but also for it's ripeness to be used a bludgeon.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Keep people poor so they vote democratic? That hasn't exactly worked so well for us.
Not at all. People see what works and what doesn't. I think one of the biggest reasons we don't have more support among people who have more economic security is that they are the ones who were "successful". They profited of the backs of everyone around them, and now that they have what they wanted, they feel free to ignore the plight of everyone else. Should we help people get to where they need to be economically, they are far more likely to empathetic to the struggles of others, and vote for liberals. It's been shown time and time again that the poor are much more community oriented, and though that does change as you slide up the income scale, it isn't totally lost.
F--- 'em. If we're actually helping people, they'll know who's on their side (most of the time).
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Liberals spread ideas and those ideas take hold. There are pockets of conservatism in California, it is is the riche and nouveau riche on the coasts and the religious conservatives inland that create that. But for the most part, and in most big cities I have traveled to, conservatism is seen as a sign of selfish stupidity. Christian conservatives latching onto the party has helped with this as well.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)This group works long hours, may not have a car, or has a crappy unreliable one, and is generally worn down at the end of the day. Mail voting and other methods to make it easier to vote will help. Although the repubs will fight tooth and tusk against it.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)give you everything you wanted, you are supposed to sit out the election to "show them".
But the only people who will be hurt by sitting it out and giving the election to Women killers are the Women, and minorities, and Gay folks and poor folks, etc
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)So a tax break is a BIG IDEA...
but a living wage and equal pay are "smaller-scale policies"
BS spin!
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)And yes, total BS spin.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)It is a deliberate attempt to diminish
the living wage and equality movements.
Simultaneously winking to middle-class tax payers
and stoking class resentments.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Divide and conquer. Always frame potential solutions to be what benefits power, nothing else considered. Wish more people would recognize that.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)This is getting the word out.
Expose their techniques and pass on the tools.
It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it ;~)
canuckledragger
(1,937 posts)When most of your time is taken up by working 2-3 jobs in an attempt to make ends meet, it leaves little time left for anything else.
It takes time to wade through all the right-wing propaganda, to fact-check issues for yourself, to learn who your local representatives are and how you can help. (if you have time that is...gotta sleep sometimes too!)
demwing
(16,916 posts)Congrats WillyT, your thread is the pin of the week, and will stay pinned for the next 7 days (or longer, if I get busy or lazy)!
semanticwikiian
(69 posts)as a template for progressives to examine. Their leader was not well known at all, and many voters in lower economic rungs (there are alot there -- 17% unemployment) seem quite supportive. I suspect these voters are similar to those described in the OP.
Maybe some will point to Syriza's primary argument -- opposition to austerity-based policies -- as inapplicable to our country. I am not so sure when I see the path of budgets in non-defense departments of the federal government. Maybe a more descriptive slogan for today's anti-third-wayers is 'tough for thee, trough for me' -- that gets to the corruption of our government.
And recall Clinton promised us when elected to re-direct the 'peace dividend' -- he never did -- so I'm not certain his wife is any less duplicitous. But I digress.
Syriza has risen and overtaken the other parties in a single election cycle. The question is how and why -- did they have a more successful Occupy movement than we did?