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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 01:43 PM Nov 2014

"...What the Democratic Party Needs is a Rump Formation of Dissenters..."--William Greider

[b[How the Democratic Party Lost Its Soul

The voters themselves resemble the supernumeraries in a grand opera: they appear on stage at election time, always lavishly praised by the pols. But they are given no lines to speak or songs to sing.


William Greider
http://www.thenation.com/article/190385/how-democratic-party-lost-its-soul

Long ago, the party abandoned its working-class base (of all colors) and steadily distanced itself from the unglamorous conditions that matter most in people’s lives. Traditional party bulwarks like organized labor and racial minorities became second-string players in the hierarchy that influences party policy. But the Dems didn’t just lose touch with the people they claimed to speak for; they betrayed core constituencies and adopted pro-business, pro-finance policies that actively injure working people.

The shift away from the people was embraced most dramatically when Bill Clinton’s New Democrats came to power in the 1990s. Clinton double-crossed labor with NAFTA and subsequent trade agreements, which encouraged the great migration of manufacturing jobs to low-wage economies. Clinton’s bank deregulation shifted the economic rewards to finance and set the stage for the calamity that struck in 2008. Wall Street won; working people lost. Clinton presided over the financialization of the Democratic Party. Obama merely inherited his playbook and has governed accordingly, often with the same policy-makers.

“The people,” of course, are still present in the party, but they’re treated mainly as data for election strategies. The voters themselves resemble the supernumeraries in a grand opera: they appear on stage at election time, always lavishly praised by the pols. But they are given no lines to speak or songs to sing.

Instead of actually talking to people, as the old party precinct captains used to do, the campaigns now rely on TV ads to shape public opinion, and polling and focus groups to monitor the views of citizens. The communication is reversed: instead of asking people what they need as a guide to governing, people are asked what the party needs to say (or not say) to harvest votes.


---snip---

What we need is a rump formation of dissenters who will break free of the Democratic Party’s confines and set a new agenda that will build the good society rather than feed bloated wealth, disloyal corporations and absurd foreign wars. This is the politics the country needs: purposeful insurrection inside and outside party bounds, and a willingness to disrupt the regular order. And we need it now, to inject reality into the postelection spin war within the party. On one side, the right-wingers will blame the loss on Obama’s unpopularity, claiming his economic policy is too liberal; progressives must counter that the Democrats lost because they had no economic message aside from Obama’s replay of tired Wall Street bromides that misfired so spectacularly.

This is the fight that really matters, and it was coming no matter how bad the Democratic losses were.

http://www.thenation.com/article/190385/how-democratic-party-lost-its-soul
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"...What the Democratic Party Needs is a Rump Formation of Dissenters..."--William Greider (Original Post) KoKo Nov 2014 OP
Kick NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #1
Can you imagine a 2016 election wherein Liz Warren faced off truedelphi Nov 2014 #2
This happened in the early 70s... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #3
That is an excellent article! It says everything that many of us have been saying for quite some sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #4
Clinton didn't scrap the Fairness Doctrine meow2u3 Nov 2014 #19
k and r. all of this. bbgrunt Nov 2014 #5
K & R democrank Nov 2014 #6
Happy to serve 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #7
Where do I sign up? FairWinds Nov 2014 #8
Agree, and i am ready and able to serve to advance the progressive liberal Democratic ideas. peacebird Nov 2014 #16
I agree it is Inevitable and Mr. Mustard Nov 2014 #9
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2014 #10
Very clear when you take Blue Dogs into account SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2014 #11
K&R ReRe Nov 2014 #12
There's nothing preventing any of you from becoming actual activists... ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2014 #13
Ahhh..but WE ARE "Actual Activists" and many have been here since KoKo Nov 2014 #14
Good for you, KoKo ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2014 #25
Oh, snap! djean111 Nov 2014 #15
I've been here since day one of the D.U. ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2014 #26
WE ARE actual activists. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #21
You're right of course. None of here do a single thing politically except preach to our DU choir. Scuba Nov 2014 #22
We don't need yet another rump organization. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #17
Agree...but the "POWER" will be when we UNITE...and that's FEARFUL KoKo Nov 2014 #18
Yet another "rump" org Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #29
in gd and p14, dissent is met with a swarm of threats and epithets Doctor_J Nov 2014 #20
K&R Scuba Nov 2014 #23
That kind of Rump won't do a thing like-mind Nov 2014 #24
"Rump of Dissenters" to me means Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren KoKo Nov 2014 #30
K&R'd. snot Nov 2014 #27
k/r 840high Nov 2014 #28

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
2. Can you imagine a 2016 election wherein Liz Warren faced off
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 02:02 PM
Nov 2014

Neal Barofsky?

Where we had a choice between two honest human beings -- both of whom want policies that protect the Middle Class?

And where the whole notion of "Evil" vs "A lil Bit Less Evil" meme was forever laughed off the idea book for the Political Head Honchos.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
3. This happened in the early 70s...
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 02:57 PM
Nov 2014

Rump caucuses, rebellions and house-cleaning did take place. Sure, it didn't last, and we got Nixon and the push for corporate policy soon thereafter. And we don't have the a big activist push following Kent & Jackson State tragedies, and the Vietnam war mobilization. We have "only" the shift from a robust middle class economy to a pitiful scramble for income for tens of millions of citizens. But that should be more than enough.

The "takeover" was REAL and not a fanciful wish.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. That is an excellent article! It says everything that many of us have been saying for quite some
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 03:26 PM
Nov 2014

time now, while the Third Way attempts to dismiss what is clearly evident and completely undeniable.

One other thing Clinton was responsible for, which the article didn't mention, aside from deregulation of the banks and NAFTA, he also did away with the Fairness Doctrine as far as I know, leading to the Conglomeration of the media by a few Corporations that we have today.

When you look back, it was all so carefully coordinated. They needed the media to propagandize the people in order to prevent any criticism of what they were up to until it was too late.

They also needed the Dem Party, or at least half of the Dem party to complete the Corporate takeover.

I'm sure they were very proud of themselves.

I love what the article says about the voters, just showing up at elections, like players in a play, with no lines. I just SAID something like that in another post. You would have to be blind not to see it.

meow2u3

(24,922 posts)
19. Clinton didn't scrap the Fairness Doctrine
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:54 PM
Nov 2014

Reagan got rid of it in the 1980s, paving the way for the conservative entertainment complex, which in turn infected the MSM with their RW poison.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
5. k and r. all of this.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 03:28 PM
Nov 2014

"But the Dems didn’t just lose touch with the people they claimed to speak for; they betrayed core constituencies and adopted pro-business, pro-finance policies that actively injure working people."

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
8. Where do I sign up?
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 04:13 PM
Nov 2014

Serious question.
We need to organize now to primary
the DLC candidates at all levels.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
16. Agree, and i am ready and able to serve to advance the progressive liberal Democratic ideas.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 07:20 PM
Nov 2014

Please tell me who to report to in the Charlottesville area. I will work HARD to help move us back to supporting the PEOPLE, not the corporations.

Mr. Mustard

(63 posts)
9. I agree it is Inevitable and
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 04:21 PM
Nov 2014

the sooner we have it the better.

I'm not saying we'll win, but we'll surely lose if we don't have the fight.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
10. K&R
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 04:50 PM
Nov 2014
- Although I find the sentiments simpatico, I believe them to be a bit late and that a more radical form of surgery shall be required.


It's devilishly hard to change all 4 tires while the vehicle is still moving......



* - It was a failure of politics.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,675 posts)
11. Very clear when you take Blue Dogs into account
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 04:50 PM
Nov 2014

Some "Democratic" Senators are clueless about Elizabeth Warren's appoitment this week.

http://huff.to/1qGfZ1h

How do Claire McCaskill and Warren get on? I'm curious.



ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
13. There's nothing preventing any of you from becoming actual activists...
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:39 PM
Nov 2014

...other than being lazy, I mean.

I mean, it really looks like you think all this upvoting of each other's posts on the DU is sure to do something eventually.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
14. Ahhh..but WE ARE "Actual Activists" and many have been here since
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:28 PM
Nov 2014

DU's Founding (The Early Years of DU) and some went silent for awhile and came in and out and others stayed here and Contributed "All these years" when few were listening ...but, we didn't give up and we are STILL HERE.

So, be thankful you are a part of a "DIVERSIFIED" Dem Universe and NOT the Alternative.

We are here and we work for our Dem Party just like YOU in your "Conservative Dem Position" do.

Embrace us and Recognize that no matter the "stuff" thrown at us.....WE ARE HERE!

's to you "Conservative Democrat." as you name yourself here on DU.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
25. Good for you, KoKo
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:05 PM
Nov 2014

I have only respect for leftists in the party who actually walk the walk. Even though both of my Senators here in Oregon are to the left of me, I support them.

But surely, you must realize that many of the most prolific screed-writers on the D.U. do not do this. It is to them, I address my advice.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
15. Oh, snap!
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 07:09 PM
Nov 2014

"Proud Member of the Reality Based Community" - good for you! But, as you are not a proud member of THIS community, why are you in here with your little put-down?

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
26. I've been here since day one of the D.U.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:07 PM
Nov 2014

And you should look up my tag line to see where it comes from, before you criticize it.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
22. You're right of course. None of here do a single thing politically except preach to our DU choir.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 09:01 AM
Nov 2014

We're all just lazy. Yeah, that's it.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
17. We don't need yet another rump organization.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 07:37 PM
Nov 2014

Just off the top of my head, I can think of Democratic Socialists of America, Democracy for America, and Progressive Democrats of America. There are differences among them but each of them meets Greider's basic description -- an organization that disdains the mirage of third-party politics and instead works to change the Democratic Party so that it's more progressive.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
18. Agree...but the "POWER" will be when we UNITE...and that's FEARFUL
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:15 PM
Nov 2014

for our "Conservative Democrats: i.e. DLC morphed into the "Third Way" or "No Labels" Camps who are out there spouting off in every MSM Owned Outlet they can get an "Airing."

's It will take some time but there is Revolution all Over our Global Allies...Against, AUSTERITY imposed by Wall Street, EU, IMF and Banking Entities who have cause the Global Financial Meltdown that we STILL suffer from.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
29. Yet another "rump" org
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:09 PM
Nov 2014

Anyone who is NOT 3rd Way is
a potential "rump organization" member.

I just don't understand why people continue
to try failed methods to change politics?
Is it that their thinking is too rigid and
the ideological frames are so resilient?
Seriously, why?

Did the DLC create a rump organization?
Did the 3rd Way create a rump organization?
IS the Tee Party a rump organization?
Because those groups used tactics that WORK!

Any group that mutters and grumbles within
the existing "framing" has already marginalized itself
as malcontents wanting ponies and expecting unicorns...
see how framing worked for the 3rd Way?

New Day, The Populist Way.
Welcome Home!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
20. in gd and p14, dissent is met with a swarm of threats and epithets
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 09:31 PM
Nov 2014

We need to somehow get to where the turd way are the ones looking in from the outside

like-mind

(2 posts)
24. That kind of Rump won't do a thing
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:55 PM
Nov 2014

Obama won 2x by popular vote. it is vain glorious to imagine countering RtWing propaganda by joining them in their criticism of him. The Rump we need is like Warren and Socialist Bernie Sanders who exhort the People while not trashing POTUS.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
30. "Rump of Dissenters" to me means Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:18 AM
Nov 2014

addressing issues we on the Left care about and that doesn't mean trashing President Obama. It's addressing the Populist/Progressive issues that we have in common to reform the system i.e. the Corporate/Wall Street Controlled Military/MSM Media/Industrial/Spying Complex that is controlling this country and not serving the people.

We have to address failed Neo-Liberal Policies that are causing the inequality in our country and find and Local and National Representatives who will support those issues we care about and hold them accountable when they don't.

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