Sen Sanders Says No to TPP – Why Do Conservative Dems Say Yes? - Part 1
Why are some Democrats willing to look the other way?
2. U.S. sovereignty will be undermined by giving corporations the right to challenge our laws before international tribunals.
3. Wages, benefits, and collective bargaining will be threatened.
4. Our ability to protect the environment will be undermined.
5. Food Safety Standards will be threatened.
6. Buy America laws could come to an end.
7. Prescription drug prices will increase, access to life saving drugs will decrease, and the profits of drug companies will go up.
8. Wall Street would benefit at the expense of everyone else.
9. The TPP would reward authoritarian regimes like Vietnam that systematically violate human rights.
10. The TPP has no expiration date, making it virtually impossible to repeal.
This information came from Sen Sanders. Support Sen Sanders opposition of the TTP here: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/stop-the-tpp
Please contact your Senators and tell them to side with Sen Sanders and vote no on the TTP.
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djean111
(14,255 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)That's why I am so cynical about the campaign and support stuff. We feel so strongly about what is right and what is wrong, and right and wrong are lobbied away or murdered in the name of getting elected, and then reelected, and obtaining the money for that.
Feel like a fool, at times.
CrispyQ
(38,167 posts)The dems are on thin ice. They have no credibility with the liberal wing of the party. Every time I vote for the lesser of two evils, the party shifts to the right, so what the fuck, next time I'm going green or writing my vote in.
merrily
(45,251 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)system, kind of completely disassociated from what the elected does when they win, the internet has let us know in great detail what
really happens when everyone gets to Washington and The Lobbyists and The Donors who are not only Owed bur have to have their asses kissed and their desires legislated in order for the elected to be able to run in the next election. Starts the first day of a new term. And here we are, foolishly waving banners and sticking signs in our lawns and putting our teams' bumper stickers on our cars, sending in our pittances, and hanging on every word of campaign blather. Then they get to Washington and Monsanto or Jamie Dimon or their whip tells them what they are actually going to vote for, what bills are actually going to be permitted to get to the floor.
And then, of course, some horse's asses bray that why doesn't your favorite senator DO something instead of just talking about it. As if one senator or Representative can buck the whole corrupt system. As if Reid or Boehner or Pelosi or McConnell or Obama or Dimon or the Kochs or Monsanto have not already decided things.
merrily
(45,251 posts)For just one thing, their homes need not be included and, for most homeowners, their homes are their largest assets (except when they go underwater). For another, they get to report in ranges, as opposed to hard numbers. Even with all that, over half of them show up, by their own fudge-y reporting standards, as millionaires and probably several times over.
The notions that I see get repeated over and over on this board and even by professional pundits, that the Democrats, who are supposedly the smarter of the two, are continually getting duped and gamed into benefiting themselves and their fellow multi-millionaires is charmingly naive, but silly.
djean111
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Autumn
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TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Why can't we infiltrate and run some candidates as red dogs or constitutional repubs
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)anyone in. The Republican's tent is small and very tightly controlled. They all vote lock-step. No progressive Democrat would venture near.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to be Republican, even a moderate Republican. I don't think it's possible.
The infiltrators in our Party are people who really are Republicans when it comes to most issues, they would be in the Republican Party except for how crazy they have become.
But on Foreign Policies and Economics, which affects minorities, though they claim to support minority rights, law enforcement issues, Civil Rights etc, they are in agreement with Republicans.
colsohlibgal
(5,276 posts)But we can all bet that the Obama apologists will either ignore this or have some excuse. They are amazing and they are blind in their loyalty.
merrily
(45,251 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Hear all that shit about "centrist" and "moderate"? The mythical "middle"?
That's just just what it is. Shit. 100% pure shit.
There are no "moderates'. Just the unprincipled, gilded class of comfortably rich who use comfort words like "moderate" to defend their predatory, anti-democratic behavior.
For the Hillary/Jeb class citizen - TPP is pure gold.
More exploited labor in Asia, more bullshit about the global economy, more poverty and wealth disparity, more pollution.
More bullshit about how education is the key, torturing kids in schools while shipping jobs to $1 a day labor in Vietnam - no bathroom breaks, no chairs, no air conditioning, kids on the factory floor, living in dorms, 6 to a room, abused by their bosses.
And more H1Bs
Our infrastructure is LITERALLY rotting, talented kids are being tortured with idiotic testing standards, college $100k and costs rising as faster than gas filled college execs salaries.
Meanwhile, the media will waste no time labeling both candidates "moderates".
Democrats are giving us TPP and Republicans applauding white supremacists.
For the rich, it really doesn't get any better than this.
The sublime irony is how the rich, political class is working both parties against the "middle" class.
It's Hillary and Jeb, and they are both competing for their entitled place at the throne and the right to fuck us over.
And we are perfectly conditioned not to fight back (spying, militarized police, puppet journalism), just where they want us, like helpless fish in the barrel.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Rightist Dems do pretty much what they want to do, then blame Republicans for whatever is wrong with the country. That doesn't mean they got gamed. It's all a normal part of D.C. kabuki.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)What I believe is that Democratic voters are the ones being gamed. Just having a D next to your name is enough to pacify the rank and file who are afraid to fight back against ANY so-called Democrat.
Blaming Republicans is a game by the 1% to keep us distracted as their class war plunders the nation.
We've tried rewarding our elected leaders over and over, hoping they'll stop hurting us.
It doesn't work.
Until voters have enough courage to start punishing elected representatives, nothing will change.
merrily
(45,251 posts)long as he or she gets re-elected.
I am not sure what the solutions are. I did hear an interesting discussion on Free Speech TV, but I was falling asleep and never did get the names of the people leading the discussion. (Why, O why, must I get to sleepy to fight it at all the wrong times?)
Still, it was encouraging to know some people are looking for solutions beyond LOTE. Whether Demlicans or Republicrats will ever allow those solutions to be implemented on a national level is a big question, but I think our voices carry to more places if we work in our cities and towns and in our state houses.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't think contacting them hurts anything, and I often do so myself, if I want something and I have the time and patience. However, I think the impression that contacting them is going to change their votes is affirmatively dangerous.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Deserves.
Wake up, people!