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rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:31 AM Nov 2014

Once Again President Obama Chooses a Fox to Guard the Henhouse.

Once Again President Obama Chooses a Fox to Guard the Henhouse.

President Obama’s pick to be Treasury Under Secretary for Domestic Finance is Antonio Weiss. His new job would be to oversee the domestic financial system—including the implementation of the Dodd-Frank financial-reform act, and consumer protection. He is currently the global head of investment banking at Lazard Ltd, a firm that has put together several major inversion deals. Why is this significant?
“Since 2003, more than thirty-five American companies have dodged taxes through similar deals, which are known as “corporate inversions.””

A number of progressive Senators, lead by Sen Warren have reservations. "Warren has a number of problems with Weiss. The first is the fact that his career has been focused on international transactions. “Neither his background nor his professional experience makes him qualified to oversee consumer protection and domestic regulatory functions at the Treasury,” she wrote. The second is that he’s tied up in the corporate-inversion trend, which, as she notes, the Obama administration has criticized and tried to stop."
Sen Warren further stated, “It’s time for the Obama administration to loosen the hold that Wall Street banks have over economic policy making.”

Sen Warren’s third concern is “about the fox guarding the henhouse. She ticked off a long list of people with close ties to the financial industry who now serve in high-level economic-policy positions in the Obama administration, including Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and US Trade Representative Michael Froman. Letting former Wall Streeters roost in top government perches “tells people that one—and only one—point of view will dominate economic policymaking. It tells people that whatever goes wrong in this economy, the Wall Street banks will be protected first,” she wrote.”

Read more at The Nation Magazine - http://www.thenation.com/blog/191289/next-big-fight-between-progressives-and-wall-street-dems
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Once Again President Obama Chooses a Fox to Guard the Henhouse. (Original Post) rhett o rick Nov 2014 OP
What are some other examples, please? searchfortruth1 Nov 2014 #1
There were two examples in the OP. How many do you need? nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #2
And don't forget wheeler Doctor_J Nov 2014 #13
Arnie Duncan. The list is long. I've asked repeatedly for someone to rhett o rick Nov 2014 #14
well, there's Van Jones, Doctor_J Nov 2014 #16
Yes. To this day, he remains my absolute favorite Obama appointment RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #17
Got the Chance to meet him once, Mbrow Nov 2014 #43
Yes! I am familiar with his work with the Ella Baker Center, too. RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #46
Yes, there was Van Jones, and look what happened to him.. mountain grammy Nov 2014 #63
Warren to head the freshly minted Consumer Protection Bureau, as I recall. Want more, you just asked Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #45
Aren't you clever? But actually you make my point. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #58
How about Michael R. Taylor, Deputy Commissioner for Foods at the FDA RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #18
All Broken Promises billhicks76 Nov 2014 #49
How about Taub and Hammond at the Postal Commission? merrily Nov 2014 #64
I hope your "searchfortruth" is successful. I noticed you popped in and left your post rhett o rick Nov 2014 #19
he couldn't handle it when he found it Enrique Nov 2014 #35
Geitner, Paulson, Duncan, and Wheeler at FCC nikto Nov 2014 #54
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #55
Monsanto CEOs, Gates and Hagel, REPUBLICANS in Defense, Bush Loyalists left in the NSA, Clapper, sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #86
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #3
K & R +++ Thespian2 Nov 2014 #4
LOLx2, so that is why Obama went into community organizing, so he could cozy up to the banks.... Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #5
His work as a community organizer does not prevent him from being dependent on the financial JDPriestly Nov 2014 #10
What is obvious? I agree with this new member.Are you really disparaging them because they are new? rhett o rick Nov 2014 #12
Thank you! markpkessinger Nov 2014 #53
You've been here less than a year, Fred Sanders. Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #21
So, you agree with the new guy, Obama is a "hired hand", a lackey in the employ of and totally Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #22
Here is my conclusion. Either Pres Obama chooses conservatives because he supports conservatism rhett o rick Nov 2014 #27
I really appreciate your thought processes, R o R. grasswire Nov 2014 #79
Thank you and I appreciate your posts also. We must keep up the pressure. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #81
How else do you explain his appointments? Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #32
Isn't the whole point of a group that we don't need to have this kind of discussion? merrily Nov 2014 #65
Thank you. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #67
Every other group is a "safe haven." Why not this one? merrily Nov 2014 #68
Here is my take. I would like this to be a safe haven for open discussions. I don't mind at all if rhett o rick Nov 2014 #70
There is at least one hidden post on this thread. merrily Nov 2014 #73
maybe you can explain for us all of Obama's very disappointing appointments magical thyme Nov 2014 #34
You Thespian2 Nov 2014 #42
That's so wrong--Goldman Sachs & JPMorgan were Obama's biggest donors RiverLover Nov 2014 #61
Let's see, Wall street inside for treasury LiberalArkie Nov 2014 #6
Hope and Change for Wall Street? jalan48 Nov 2014 #7
It looks to me like Pres Obama is in good with Wall Street or a higher power is calling the shots.nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #8
I am sure it is 11 dimensional chess. zeemike Nov 2014 #9
But it's like Lucy and Charlie Brown. Lucy (BO) promising Charlie Brown (99%) that rhett o rick Nov 2014 #11
what the fan club refuses to acknowledge is that this is bad politics as well as bad governance Doctor_J Nov 2014 #15
Do you have a possible explanation for Pres Obama's obsession with appointing conservatives? nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #20
It is possible to support Warren and twice elected Democratic party President Obama, it is not that Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #23
Obama was twice elected because he pretended to be progressive. Why not support a real progressive rhett o rick Nov 2014 #25
I see Obama as transitional, he is the pioneer as Gorbachev was....history will be the judge of that Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #26
"And all I see on his overall agenda are clear progressive policies" You must be reading rhett o rick Nov 2014 #28
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #39
Just a Minute saintsebastian Nov 2014 #50
So far, other than Sen Sanders, she is the best candidate we have. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #57
I hope by that time Warren will be so popular among most Democrats, that there Cal33 Nov 2014 #24
My greatest fear is that she's just another illusion. Like Obama 2008. Doctor_J Nov 2014 #41
She might be. But she seems like less of a cipher than the President RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #47
my exact same fear Caretha Nov 2014 #52
X2 ctsnowman Nov 2014 #59
Watch this video from back when she was still a professor RiverLover Nov 2014 #62
I have watched Elizabeth Warren long enough to feel quite sure that she is the real McCoy. I Cal33 Nov 2014 #71
Others had been watching Obama from afar since his speech at the 2004 Democratic National merrily Nov 2014 #74
I've read that when she was working at the Treasury Dep't, she had no fear about telling Cal33 Dec 2014 #82
A decade ago, she wrote a book about the 99% getting MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #78
He hired a lot of Republicans to run his government. Aren't there enough better Democrats around Cal33 Dec 2014 #83
Jeebus... ReRe Nov 2014 #29
He talks a good talk. It's the walk that's troubling. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #30
Now well into the 6th year...it does seem that's a big concern... KoKo Nov 2014 #75
The middle class are frogs in the water on the stove. The temperature is rising rhett o rick Nov 2014 #77
politics as usual highmindedhavi Nov 2014 #31
Yep. 840high Nov 2014 #33
Yeah, the fan club calls us racists and blames us for all thats gone wrong for 6 years Doctor_J Nov 2014 #38
They want so badly to have a leader they can blindly follow. Not make up their own minds rhett o rick Nov 2014 #56
Last week, Sen. Warren wrote a HuffPo blog about Obama picking Weiss red dog 1 Nov 2014 #36
Senator Warren is one of the few in Washington... Hubert Flottz Nov 2014 #37
Her and Bernie Sanders. Mbrow Nov 2014 #44
Washington is a crime FAMILY. A racket. All the insiders Obama chooses pretty much tips their hand blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #40
The fucking Third Way. Phlem Nov 2014 #48
When Oh When? colsohlibgal Nov 2014 #51
Do you think they will harrass Hillary they way they did her husband Bill, and Cal33 Dec 2014 #85
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2014 #60
Pin of the Week! demwing Nov 2014 #66
Thanks demwing. Let's get this movement going. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #69
The president appoints right wing asshole and Wall Street shills QC Nov 2014 #72
There's THAT to consider. Judging him by his Appointments..... KoKo Nov 2014 #76
For a real "thrill", investigate the Bush Lazard connections. grasswire Nov 2014 #80
Nice to see this pinned! Odin2005 Dec 2014 #84
Out Cheneying-Cheney: Obama’s Likely Defense Pick Once Backed Pre-emptive Attack on North Korea wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 #87
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #88
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. And don't forget wheeler
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 12:29 PM
Nov 2014

none so blind as he who will not see. The BOG is really a cyber version of blind man's bluff, only with back-slapping and "God Bless president, the bestest bestest in history" whenever they bump into each other.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. Arnie Duncan. The list is long. I've asked repeatedly for someone to
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 12:34 PM
Nov 2014

show me any appointments that are not conservative.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
46. Yes! I am familiar with his work with the Ella Baker Center, too.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:31 PM
Nov 2014

Although he's been well known in the Bay Area for quite a while, I got a distinct impression that he was a rising star on the national stage.

mountain grammy

(27,276 posts)
63. Yes, there was Van Jones, and look what happened to him..
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:28 AM
Nov 2014

he was crucified. He was called everything in the book. Given the boot at the first opportunity? Please! I guess we could have let the raging right wingers and the conservative corporate media chew him up more, but for what purpose? Obama can't even get a surgeon general.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
45. Warren to head the freshly minted Consumer Protection Bureau, as I recall. Want more, you just asked
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:19 PM
Nov 2014

for one?

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
18. How about Michael R. Taylor, Deputy Commissioner for Foods at the FDA
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:02 PM
Nov 2014

Formerly Vice President for Public Policy at Monsanto.

Then there's Secretary of Commerce, Penny Pritzker

...perhaps the most infamous and pernicious Pritzker abuse of power was the Superior Bank scandal, a predatory subprime mortgage securitization racket that led to the failure of Superior Bank in 2001 and prefigured the 2008 crash.

Penny Pritzker played a leading, decision-making role in the lead-up to the failure, which ultimately lost 1,400 depositors an estimated $10 million and cost the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation approximately half a billion dollars.


Then there's FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler, a former telecommunications lobbyist and campaign fund-raiser. Wheeler was chief executive of the National Cable Television Association for five years and the Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association for 12.
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
49. All Broken Promises
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:18 PM
Nov 2014

And it would have been easy not to name corporate lobbyists to head regulatory positions. Anyone here think someone has embarrassing wiretaps on Obama for leverage or are threatening him?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
64. How about Taub and Hammond at the Postal Commission?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:05 PM
Nov 2014

Taub was a chief, if not the chief, author of the 2006 Postal Act, whose objective was to destroy the Post Office. And he re-appointed Hammond, who also wanted the Post Office destroyed.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
19. I hope your "searchfortruth" is successful. I noticed you popped in and left your post
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:17 PM
Nov 2014

only to never return. There are lots of examples.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
54. Geitner, Paulson, Duncan, and Wheeler at FCC
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:24 AM
Nov 2014

There's probably more, but those are the most conspicuous ones.

Response to searchfortruth1 (Reply #1)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
86. Monsanto CEOs, Gates and Hagel, REPUBLICANS in Defense, Bush Loyalists left in the NSA, Clapper,
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:16 AM
Dec 2014

Former CEO of a 'Security Contractor, Booz Allen who profited nicely from Clapper's work in the NSA, still is.

The list is so long it needs its own thread. In fact that is a very good idea.

Btw, how many Liberal Dems are in this President's cabinet? There are lots of Republicans and Corporate CEOS, but that is not what we elected when we voted for Democrats is it?

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
4. K & R +++
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 11:20 AM
Nov 2014

Obama has been and continues to be a hired hand for Wall Street. Any doubts? Check his appointments.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. LOLx2, so that is why Obama went into community organizing, so he could cozy up to the banks....
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 11:25 AM
Nov 2014

how ridiculous can new members at DU get, and as obvious?

Try again, man.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. His work as a community organizer does not prevent him from being dependent on the financial
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 12:05 PM
Nov 2014

sector for his success as a politician and maybe even his future career.

Elizabeth Warren pointed out that his rhetoric and presumably his personal leanings are not toward preferences for bankers but that he appoints them to positions of control in our government nonetheless.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
12. What is obvious? I agree with this new member.Are you really disparaging them because they are new?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 12:20 PM
Nov 2014

Let's look at your implication. Since Obama went into community organizing he can't be cozying up to banks. Is that your implication? Doesn't even make any sense. Almost all of Pres Obama's appointments have been from conservative to very conservative and some have been Republicans.

markpkessinger

(8,563 posts)
53. Thank you!
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:41 AM
Nov 2014

I agree with him, too. I've been seeing this tactic of disparaging a poster because he/she is new to DU, and I find it very troubling. I mean, agree or disagree with a post, but on its substance, not on the length of DU membership!

Kermitt Gribble

(1,855 posts)
21. You've been here less than a year, Fred Sanders.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:20 PM
Nov 2014

What does a poster's join date have to do with anything? If you can refute that the majority of appointments have not been from Wall Street and Corporate America, please do.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
22. So, you agree with the new guy, Obama is a "hired hand", a lackey in the employ of and totally
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:23 PM
Nov 2014

subservient to them?

I have not rushed to judgment that appointing any of these folks leads to such a conclusion....you can if you want....

Free world.....

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
27. Here is my conclusion. Either Pres Obama chooses conservatives because he supports conservatism
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:35 PM
Nov 2014

or someone with a higher power (the NSA/CIA Security State) "helps" him with his decisions. If you have an alternate possibility, I'd like to hear it.

As far as "rush to judgement", how many conservative appointments will it take to convince you? I think the percentage is 99%.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
79. I really appreciate your thought processes, R o R.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:28 PM
Nov 2014

Just a pat on the back for the consistent speaking of truth to power.

Kermitt Gribble

(1,855 posts)
32. How else do you explain his appointments?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 02:16 PM
Nov 2014

If this were the exception instead of the rule, I might agree with you.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
65. Isn't the whole point of a group that we don't need to have this kind of discussion?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:18 PM
Nov 2014

If we still need to argue that people like Geithner and Duncan weren't liberal nominees, why not just post in GD?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
70. Here is my take. I would like this to be a safe haven for open discussions. I don't mind at all if
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:06 PM
Nov 2014

people want to try sell their Third Way issues here if they stick to honest arguments and cut the ridicule, mocking and absurd posts.
I think that stipulation will weed out the disruptors. They never have decent arguments. They get away with their disruption in GD because they have enough friends to win jury decisions.
Honest debates only strengthen our stands and may win converts.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
73. There is at least one hidden post on this thread.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 07:32 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sun Nov 30, 2014, 08:05 PM - Edit history (1)

A Third Wayer did not get the hide. Haven't enough traditional Democrats or liberals been driven off this board or banned?

I don't hang out in other groups a lot, usually only when a group thread shows up in Latest Threads. But, when I happen to see see hides in other groups, it's not someone who belongs in the group who gets the hide.

A challenge in the very first reply on this thread, just like "the swarm" in GD.

Posters in this group should not have to put up with that kind of thing. No loyalist group has to. Besides, how is going to a group to challenge what is being said there ever an "honest discussion?"

Did you ever "honestly" go to the BOG to challenge praise of Obama being posted there by fans of Obama or to the Hillary Group to challenge praise of Hillary being posted there by fans of Hillary?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
34. maybe you can explain for us all of Obama's very disappointing appointments
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 03:20 PM
Nov 2014

because this isn't the first time I've seen him put a fox in charge of a henhouse. In fact, it seems to be a pattern.

LiberalArkie

(16,505 posts)
6. Let's see, Wall street inside for treasury
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 11:38 AM
Nov 2014

Telecom lobbiest for head of FCC, Always a Republican for Defense Sec. , What we need is a southern conservative prosecutor for Justice.

Name the rest of the liberal dept heads we have.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
9. I am sure it is 11 dimensional chess.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 11:54 AM
Nov 2014

Who knows more about causing chaos in the chicken house that a fox, so give him the job of protecting it...

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. But it's like Lucy and Charlie Brown. Lucy (BO) promising Charlie Brown (99%) that
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 12:11 PM
Nov 2014

the Fox won't eat the chicken THIS TIME. George Bush would say, "Don't be fooling me again." (I left out the stutters)

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
15. what the fan club refuses to acknowledge is that this is bad politics as well as bad governance
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 12:35 PM
Nov 2014

These moves alienate everyone in the base. And here's a clue for the party: in 2016 there won't be a charismatic african american to get blacks to the polls. Hillary will have to try to win with Obama's conservative/corporatist platform, and without that natural constituency.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
23. It is possible to support Warren and twice elected Democratic party President Obama, it is not that
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:25 PM
Nov 2014

difficult or inconsistent.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. Obama was twice elected because he pretended to be progressive. Why not support a real progressive
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:30 PM
Nov 2014

instead?

The problem I have with your statement is that you are discussing personalities and not ideologies. While you might like both Sen Warren and Pres Obama because they seem nice and have nice smiles, you can't like both progressive and conservative policies.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
26. I see Obama as transitional, he is the pioneer as Gorbachev was....history will be the judge of that
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:32 PM
Nov 2014

The French Revolution took decades to play out, not like in the movies.

And all I see on his overall agenda are clear progressive policies....all of them. He needs and deserves our support, not our disappointed derision.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
28. "And all I see on his overall agenda are clear progressive policies" You must be reading
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:41 PM
Nov 2014

different news than me. Do you consider drone killings as progressive? How about his support for fracking? TPP? No accountability for Wall Street crime? How about his supprt of the Patriot Act and indefinite detention. His protection of war criminals isn't progressive nor is his stonewalling the report on torture. Clearly his "overall agenda" isn't progressive.

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #28)

saintsebastian

(41 posts)
50. Just a Minute
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:46 PM
Nov 2014

I totally agree, first of all, with nearly all of the remarks you've made in this thread. Looking at your avatar and signature, though, and considering your use of a phrase like "real progressive", I wonder how far your support for Sen. Warren goes. If we're going to be criticizing other progressives for not being as liberal as they perhaps should be, we can't overlook Sen. Warren.

For starters, she supports GOP efforts to "to repeal or reduce the estate tax". She's also been evasive when asked about raising inheritance tax rates. Furthermore, there's a great deal that remains unknown about her foreign policy positions other than that she's steadfast and typical in terms of her support of Israel. She's even implicitly approved of Israeli shelling of Palestinian schools. Would any of these things make you second-guess your support for the senator?

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
24. I hope by that time Warren will be so popular among most Democrats, that there
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:27 PM
Nov 2014

will be a tsunami of a movement to get her to run. There's a good chance
that her name recognition will be as good as, if not better than, Clinton's.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
41. My greatest fear is that she's just another illusion. Like Obama 2008.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:05 PM
Nov 2014

If we actually elect her she might turn out to be another corporate water-carrier.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
47. She might be. But she seems like less of a cipher than the President
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:57 PM
Nov 2014

She's also shown the ability to utter inconvenient truths and to face adversity without shrinking.
On the other hand, over time Washington has turned the process of corrupting decent politicians into a fine art.
Will Warren be able to resist decades of refined techniques for bringing public servants to heel? I really don't know.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
52. my exact same fear
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:57 PM
Nov 2014

Doctor_J

I'm not going to endorse anyone until I see who actually throws their hat in the ring....


and them I'm going to scrutinize them like there is not tomorrow before I cast my next vote.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
62. Watch this video from back when she was still a professor
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:39 AM
Nov 2014

& maybe you'll feel more assured she IS the real deal~

&list=PLX2fpiFdElFXZohAs7jOOdVKrWvzE7nCa&index=7

But I completely understand your concern. Once burned, twice shy. Obama burned half of the country, people who really who wanted what he was selling. That "You Didn't Build That" line, he took from Liz Warren...sigh.

Here's another vid of the Young Turks discussing centrist corporate Obama vs EW. Its really interesting & and they mention that "We all know now that Barack Obama is not a liberal, he's not progressive."~

"Published on Feb 6, 2014

"On Thursday morning, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) called on President Barack Obama to nominate more judges to the federal bench who have backgrounds serving the public interest instead of corporate America. Of Obama's judicial nominations so far, just ten—fewer than four percent—have worked as lawyers at public interest organizations, according to a report released Thursday by the Alliance for Justice, a network of civil rights organizations. Only 10 nominees have had experience representing workers in labor disputes. Eighty-five percent have been either corporate attorneys or prosecutors. At an event Thursday sponsored by several civil rights organizations, including the Brennan Center for Justice and the Alliance for Justice, Warren called for more balance in the system. "Power is becoming more and more concentrated on one side," she said...".* Ben Mankiewicz (co-host of What The Flick?! and TYT Sports) and comedian Jimmy Dore break it down on The Young Turks.






 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
71. I have watched Elizabeth Warren long enough to feel quite sure that she is the real McCoy. I
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:57 PM
Nov 2014

didn't know much about Obama until after he became president. I simply can't believe that
she is a middle-of the-roader at heart,, pretending to be a Progressive -- just to become
president. That simply is not Elizabeth Warren.

I can guess at her reasons for not wanting to run. But she might possibly change her mind
if the political situation becomes such that she felt it was her duty to respond to the wish of
the American people.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
74. Others had been watching Obama from afar since his speech at the 2004 Democratic National
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 08:13 PM
Nov 2014

Convention. Including me. Originally, I chose him chiefly because I thought he had the best chance of winning of anyone in that field. But, as primary wore on, I got to be more and more of a fan--and I was following the primary relatively closely, donating and volunteering, too. I vowed never to make that mistake again.

I am not saying that Warren is like Obama. But, that was a fear of mine when people first started literally gushing over her, when she was still working in his administration. Once burned, twice shy, as the saying goes.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
82. I've read that when she was working at the Treasury Dep't, she had no fear about telling
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:44 AM
Dec 2014

Geithner and her other superiors what was on her mind, when she disagreed with them --
which was rather often. They came to look upon her as a nuisance.

Lately I've also read that when Obama thought of appointing another Wall Street banker
as Under Secretary of the Treasury, when asked her opinion, Warren said, "Enough is enough."

Obama's government does have many Republicans. Too many, in my opinion. Is he doing it
to appease the Republicans? If so, look at the way they are treating him. Yet he seems to be
going back for more punishment.

Warren is a Progressive -- and one with courage, integrity, and the willingness to make
America a better place for everyone, not just the rich few. Her history of opposing Wall Street
crooked bankers is well known, and it has been steady over the years.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
78. A decade ago, she wrote a book about the 99% getting
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:54 PM
Nov 2014

@$!#ed.

And started the CFPB.

Warren's been consistent for a long time.

What had Obama done, other than talk about transcending ideologies and other such stuff?

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
83. He hired a lot of Republicans to run his government. Aren't there enough better Democrats around
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

to help run our government?

ReRe

(10,783 posts)
29. Jeebus...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:43 PM
Nov 2014

All I can do is hold my head with my right hand and my gut with the left.

Just when you think he might be getting it, he turns around and goes in the opposite direction.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
75. Now well into the 6th year...it does seem that's a big concern...
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:33 PM
Nov 2014

We Watched and Waited...and BOOM. It gets harder and harder to make excuses as much as we might want to and as much as we want to believe that he's playing that cautious, lawyerly 23rd Dimension (or whatever it is) Chess Game in the "Interests of the American People."

I've wanted to believe....and hoped to believe when I voted Twice for Him on Recs of our Last of the Left ...to give One More Chance.

It wears thin these days...There's not much more betrayal of "Principles" that one can ignore as much as one tries.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
77. The middle class are frogs in the water on the stove. The temperature is rising
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:36 PM
Nov 2014

and some frogs are willing to stick it out with MIC-Hillary until they reach a boil. I say it's time to make a move, to try to jump out of the pot. The movement has started, we must help it.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
38. Yeah, the fan club calls us racists and blames us for all thats gone wrong for 6 years
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:58 PM
Nov 2014

In fact all we believe is that the president is just part of the corrupt system instead of the godly populist saint that they see.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
56. They want so badly to have a leader they can blindly follow. Not make up their own minds
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:36 AM
Nov 2014

about fracking or the TPP.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
37. Senator Warren is one of the few in Washington...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:21 PM
Nov 2014

who is not afraid of the banksters and their pet puppets in high places.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
40. Washington is a crime FAMILY. A racket. All the insiders Obama chooses pretty much tips their hand
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:04 PM
Nov 2014
"Change"

colsohlibgal

(5,276 posts)
51. When Oh When?
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 09:54 PM
Nov 2014

Will the democrats go back to being democrats, not third way tools of Wall Street. I'll be eager to see the Obama apologists rationalize this.

We'll get another big dose of Wall Street Third Way with Hillary.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
85. Do you think they will harrass Hillary they way they did her husband Bill, and
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:51 PM
Dec 2014

the way they are harassing Barack now, should she become president? I've
raised this question before, and somebody thought that it was all an act.

It could be, but I feel pretty sure that the Tea Baggers really mean it. They
are a group apart from the other Republicans, I think. There are also those
who hate him for no other reason than his race.

I think she would be harassed, too, no matter how much she should help the
rich to get richer.

QC

(26,371 posts)
72. The president appoints right wing asshole and Wall Street shills
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:45 PM
Nov 2014

so they will be where he can keep a close eye on them.

They work for *him* now, not Goldman Sachs or Citigroup, by damn!

Anybody else remember that particularly desperate rationalization from late 2008-early 2009?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
76. There's THAT to consider. Judging him by his Appointments.....
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:35 PM
Nov 2014

If one looks at his Appointments from the beginning....it's hard not to wonder what he was about...and as it went on it became clearer. Though....we still wanted to believe.

There are still those who BELIEVE.... But, at some point, some of us really can't "cough it down" anymore on "FAITH."

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
80. For a real "thrill", investigate the Bush Lazard connections.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:36 PM
Nov 2014

This is a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE appointment. Much worse than it even appears.

I believe this is the turning over of the U.S. to the BFEE. Pure and simple.

Here's a start if you want to go digging into Bush Lazard. Follow the trails to Texas and Scotland and all around the mulberry bush.

http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=13140.0

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
87. Out Cheneying-Cheney: Obama’s Likely Defense Pick Once Backed Pre-emptive Attack on North Korea
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 12:37 PM
Dec 2014

Out Cheneying-Cheney: Obama’s Likely Defense Pick Once Backed Pre-emptive Attack on North Korea

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/12/4/out_cheneying_cheney_obamas_likely_defense

President Obama is reportedly preparing to nominate former Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter to replace ousted Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel. A trained physicist, Carter has a long history at the Pentagon, where he once served as the chief arms buyer. In 2006, he made headlines when he backed a pre-emptive strike against North Korea if the country continued with plans to conduct a test launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile. He co-wrote a piece headlined "If Necessary, Strike and Destroy." We speak to Alice Slater, New York director of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation and a member of the Abolition 2000 coordinating committee.

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