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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 07:46 PM Nov 2014

Must Read: 'Who Will Save the Democratic Party From Itself?' - NYT

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Who Will Save the Democratic Party From Itself?
Thomas B. Edsall - NYT
NOV. 25, 2014

Let’s forget Webb for a moment and take the question a step further. What are the prospects of winning the presidential nomination for a candidate who challenges current Democratic Party strategic orthodoxy? This strategy calls for identity group, rather than class-based, mobilization, on the assumption that turning out single women, the young, and racial and ethnic minorities is more effective than an uphill struggle to revive support in the recalcitrant white middle and working class.

As much as such a shift to a class-based strategy might result in economic policies more beneficial to less affluent Democratic constituencies, and therefore to more votes in the long haul, so far there has been insufficient intraparty pressure to force a change in strategic orientation.

It is not lost on Democratic strategists that President Obama won twice deploying a group-based rather than a class-based strategy. Even if the next Democratic nominee does not inspire the high minority turnout levels of 2008 and 2012, the 2016 electorate will be less Republican than it was in 2012. Every four years, the heavily Republican white share of voters drops by a little over 2 percent, and the disproportionately Democratic minority share grows by the same amount.

There are, however, fundamental problems with the current Democratic strategy, not least of which is that it is a strategy for winning presidential elections but not necessarily for exerting real political control.

The current approach depends on a Republican Party that refuses to adjust to the transforming composition of the electorate. The 2014 elections demonstrated, however, that the Republican Party and its candidates are not immune to feedback and will change if they have to in order to win.

Insofar as the Republican Party tempers its retrograde stance on social-sexual and moral-racial issues, Democratic campaigns stressing alleged threats from conservatives — the threat to freedom and privacy posed by the Christian right; the threat to Hispanic family unity posed by anti-immigrant activists; the threat to programs serving the poor posed by deficit hawks — will run out of gas.

That moment may be closer than expected. An Oct. 15 Washington Post/ABC poll found that the public held the Democratic Party “in worse regard than at any point in the past 30 years.” An Oct. 24 Pew Research Center survey found, in turn, that the public favored Republicans over Democrats on such key issues as handling the economy, the budget deficit, immigration and terrorism.

Democrats, according to Pew, retained an advantage on less tangible qualities such as empathy, honesty and a willingness to compromise. As attractive as those characteristics are, they are not top priorities for voters. Both Pew and Gallup have found that, except in times of crisis – for example, in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks — voters’ top priorities consistently include bread-and-butter issues, jobs and the economy.


Much More: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/opinion/who-will-save-the-democratic-party-from-itself.html

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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. After all that we've done
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 08:07 PM
Nov 2014
to for you little people, this is the thanks we get.

Disgusting!

Regards,

TWM
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
7. I like the cut of your jib, good man.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:29 AM
Nov 2014

there may be a position for you on Wall Street yet. I'll check with Jamie and Lloyd.

Regards,

TWM

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
8. Aw Manny... My Brother In Snark...I Am SO Tired Of This Crap...
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:04 AM
Nov 2014

I've learned recently that the FDR coalition/philosophy is dead...

That the NeoLibs are the future...

And that we must keep looking forward... even though we wrote a winning playbook 70+ years ago...

I'm grateful I live in California, but even that may go by the wayside.

I AM PISSED!




sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. It's only dead to the Third Way. We can make sure it isn't dead. They hate it when we
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:17 AM
Nov 2014

talk about FDR, so imo, that is what we should do as much and as often as possible.

I was reading some of his fireside chats recently and was so impressed at how his mind was always so focused on the PEOPLE. And how fast he moved to implement ideas he communicated to the people. He was not looking for approval from the Bankers, he mocked them.

The people voted for him four times! And we are still benefiting from the work he did for the people.

But the Third Way now ensconced in the Party of FDR are bound and determined to take away everything FDR worked for.

There really needs to be an organization of Populists as strong and as determined as the Third Way within this party.

I think people are ready for another FDR. Most are sick to death of the Corporate policies and their phony 'concerns' for the people. They care nothing for people, they are so out of touch in their bubbles, they couldn't relate to the Working Class if their lives depended on it.

pscot

(21,037 posts)
3. I think it's already run out of gas
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 08:26 PM
Nov 2014

We seem to be drifting. I'm looking for someone with a clue, a plan, some vision of a possible future.

appalachiablue

(42,906 posts)
5. Where is the Dem. plan, and strategy anymore- Same with the CBC, Congress. Black Caucus
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 09:07 PM
Nov 2014

that was visible in the 80s, 90s.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
6. I opt for "genuine" over the "how to act" in order to win.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 10:08 PM
Nov 2014

This whole charade of acting has to end. So figure out what the majority of people want and then act like you can give it to them? Yeah ...been there ...and thrown under the bus. If a candidate "has always been" about keeping and increasing good living wage US jobs I'm down with that. Economy? ehh ...whatever ...IMO if people have good living wage jobs the economy will boom. Economy for them rich rat fucking WallBangers is making money from nothing ...producing nothing but more money for them and less for us. Fuck that. It has to either come under full control or ...END! Let the too big to fail fuckers fail next time. Low income tax stock holders are / can be our enemy IMO. 2nd move to peace ...as hard as that may be to do. We must rein in the MIC or that fucking money pit from hell will only get worse ...at the cost of innocent human life. If we can get some reasonable control over the MIC and the greedy fuckers who are ripping the country off we can work on the primary issues ...GOOD LIVING WAGE JOBS!

PS:Hey if you are making your living off of MIC stocks you might be a rat fucker or a congress person ...but then I repeat myself.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. What a great post!
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 03:10 AM
Nov 2014

I was going to excerpt part of it, but ALL of it so perfectly states the truth.

'Let them fail'! Yes, if it had been up to the people, that is what would have happened, but their caretakers made sure they would not fail. The people have lost control.

It is all so phony, ALL of it.

I know one thing, I don't intend to play their game anymore. IF we are presented with a WH candidate who is part of the whole system, this time, there is no way I will support that candidate. No more 'lesser evil'. Let the chips fall where they may. All we are doing by going along with the 'the other guy is worse' strategy, is keeping the whole, corrupt system going.

Great post, everyone should read it!

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
12. In the words of Saint Reagan, "You ain't seen nothing yet."
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 05:09 AM
Nov 2014

I firmly believe They® plan to start a war with Iran. They just have to fake up some reasons, like WMDs or the like.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
13. the public held the Democratic Party “in worse regard than at any point in the past 30 years.”
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:30 AM
Nov 2014

Thank you Third Way and previous incarnations of the Koch brothers/Wall Street coup of our party.


Another excellent post WillyT, thank you. And some great replies, too.

It's time we wrest our party away from the infiltrators who have taken it over. We are the party of FDR, it's time to start acting like it. No more capitulation, no more soft-peddling the crimes of the Republicans and their backers, no more policies that benefit the wealthiest at the expense of the party base.

I too will no longer support the "lesser of evils" candidate just because he or she has a (D) after his/her name.

To paraphrase Bill Clinton, it's about policy, stupid!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. And I echo "I too will no longer support the "lesser of evils" candidate just because he or she has
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 12:39 PM
Nov 2014

a (D) after his/her name." May I go a step farther or more specific, I will not support a candidate that has no integrity even if you convince me she can win. H. Clinton give up her integrity, and once given up, it can not be re-earned. I will never support H. Clinton. I won't stay home, I will support local and national Democratic candidates that have integrity and support the 99%.

This is a great OP with lots of great comments.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
16. While a good article, it's nothing new...
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:03 AM
Dec 2014

the collection of interest groups outlook of the Democratic Party was well outlined some 30 years ago by Newt Gingrich and the GOPer FR. Should some Democrat step out of line and invoke FDR or even LBJ, the GOPer would dog-whistle "class warfare!" and Democrats would return to that corner of the box they seem most comfortable with.

The GOP was there long ago.

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