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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:06 PM Nov 2014

Iraq War 4.0? Imagine if Some Other Nation Was Behaving Like the U.S. Towards Iraq

Published on
Tuesday, November 25, 2014
by
TomDispatch
Iraq War 4.0?

Imagine if some other nation was behaving like the U.S. has behaved towards Iraq
by
Tom Engelhardt

Vietnamizing Iraq, Iraqicizing Vietnam

In the meantime, think about what we would have said if the Russians had acted as Washington did in Afghanistan, or if the Chinese had pursued an Iraq-like path in a country of their choosing for the third time with the same army, the same “unified” government, the same drones and weaponry, and in key cases, the same personnel! (Or, if you want to make the task easier for yourself, just check out U.S. commentary these last months on Ukraine.)

For those of a certain age, the escalatory path the Obama administration has set us on in Iraq has a certain resonance and so, not surprisingly, at the edges of our world, familiar words like “quagmire” are again rising. And who could deny that there’s something eerily familiar about it all? Keep in mind that it took less than three years for the Kennedy administration to transition from the first several hundred American advisers it sent to Vietnam to work with the South Vietnamese Army in 1961 to 16,000 armed “advisers” in November 1963 when the president was assassinated.

The Obama administration seems to be in the grips of a similar escalatory fever and on a somewhat similar schedule, even if ahead of the Vietnam timetable when it comes to loosing air power over Iraq and Syria. However, the comparison is, in a sense, unfair to the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. After all, they were in the dark; they didn’t have a “Vietnam” to refer to.

For a more accurate equivalent, you would have to conjure up a Vietnam scenario that couldn’t have happened. You would have to imagine that, in May 1975, at the time of the Mayaguez Incident (in which the Cambodians seized an American ship), just two weeks after the South Vietnamese capital Saigon fell, or perhaps even more appropriately in terms of the dual chronologies of the two wars, in December 1978 when the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia, President Gerald Ford had decided to send thousands of American troops back into Vietnam.

Inconceivable as that was then, only such an absurd scenario could catch the true eeriness of the escalatory path of our third Iraq war.

Four More Years! Four More Years!

Try to imagine the reaction here, if the Russians were suddenly to send their military back into conflict-ridden Afghanistan to refight the lost war of the 1980s more effectively, bringing old Red Army commanders out of retirement to do so.

As it happens, the present war in Iraq and Syria is so unnervingly déjà vu all over again that an equivalency of any sort is next to impossible to conjure up. However, since in the American imagination terrorism has taken over the bogeyman-like role that Communism once filled, the new Islamic State might in one sense at least be considered the equivalent of the North Vietnamese (and the rebel National Liberation Front, or Vietcong, in South Vietnam). There is, for instance, some similarity in the inflamed fantasies Washington has attached to each: in the way both were conjured up here as larger-than-life phenomena capable of spreading across the globe. (Look up “domino theory” on the meaning of a Communist victory in South Vietnam if you doubt me.)

Continued .....a long fascinating read...at:

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/11/25/iraq-war-40

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Iraq War 4.0? Imagine if Some Other Nation Was Behaving Like the U.S. Towards Iraq (Original Post) KoKo Nov 2014 OP
That's some serious nonsense. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #1

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
1. That's some serious nonsense.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:09 PM
Nov 2014

1) How soon does this fool think we'll have 150,000 troops back in Iraq ... based on his level of concern, is it days or weeks from now? I mean if our "fevered escalation" is outpacing the one preceding Vietnam.

2) Iraq has a government that has asked for our help. This guy seems to be so upset as to be totally unaware of that fact.

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