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1. A few others and their general themes.

2001: A Space Odyssey - Agency, preeminence of tools, man vs. machine, transhumanism, existentialism, self-destruction, isolation, redemption, reincarnation


8 1/2 - Identity, love, frustration, dreams


Adaptation - Identity, duality


Children of Men - Existentialism, absurdity, war, apocalypse, extinction.

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2. It is not a bad list

however, the inclusion of Ayn Rand is suspect.

Outside of libertarian and political economy think-tank circles, no serious philosophers, academic or otherwise, have considered her works even remotely a part of the history and corpus of philosophy.

Many of these other films are really good especially some of the harder to find foreign films.

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3. just because it was a bad philosophy doesn't mean it was not philosophy -

how does one distinguish the bad from the good without knowing the difference?

just like one studies bad architecture and art so that one may understand why it is bad

so too, must one give a look at bad philosophy.

in order to explain why it is bad may help one to better understand why another way is better ....



just my .02

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9. I have to disagree strongly.

It is not about whether it is 'good' or 'bad' as I or others may consider Augustine 'bad' and Nietzsche 'good'.

Ayn Rand was simply not a philosopher. She was a hack fiction writer who cobbled together a tirade based on her narcissism and called it 'philosophy'. L. Ron Hubbard was no more a theologian or great wise man either just because he started a 'religion' that is really just a money cult.

Try going to any philosophy department in a college or university and finding a class or the allowing of Ayn Rand within a class on modern philosophy. I know of one instance and it is a Koch funded Objectivist at the University of Texas who received millions through BT&T Bank to 'promote' objectivism in their philosophy department.

So, no, as a graduate with a philosophy degree, I won't be accepting her pablum into the Canon of Philosophy....ever.

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10. not a bad list you say...

Shall you put together one that you consider more essential or by dropping Rand be enough to satisfy you? Would you care to add other films?

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11. The list is fine.

That was a turn of phrase.

Rand is the only one that I have a disagreement with and I shared why.

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4. I'd add to that the 1972 Bartleby with Paul Scofield.

Do you prefer not to?

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5. excellent selection, I suggest you ask the author of the article if he concurs.

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6. I prefer not to.

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7. lol .... embedding disabled

remake in 2001 with Crispin Glover ...

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8. Yeah that one didn't resonate as well with me.

I'd like to see a thorough slow-paced remake set in mid-nineteenth century Manhattan the way it's supposed to be.