A very permanent solution to a temporary situation: Suicide

[flamin lib]

Guns are used in more than half of the successful suicides. Oh but they'll only use a different method if we take guns away cry the pro gun side.

Bullshit.

Of the unsuccessful suicides only 1 in five try a second time. But if the gunners are right then the suicide rate would remain constant as other methods supplanted the use of guns.

Witness Australia that enacted rigid gun control in 1996 and greatly reduced the availability of guns. The suicide rate by all means for men of fell from a high of 25/100,000 in 1997 to 15/100,000 in 2005 and has remained there, a decrease of 40% (some studies show a decrease of much more). The suicide rate for women, who typically use non-violent methods of suicide such as drugs and poison, remained the same at 5/100,000.

The suicide rate for all age groups of men declined from 1997 forward with only the ages 40 to 50 remaining level at about 20/100,000. The decline for young men ages 20 to 40 showed the most dramatic declines.

So it seems that the wishful thinking of gunners to hold guns blameless is just that, wishful thinking. Guns are very effective at taking life and it only takes a moment of despair to pull the trigger and apply a very permanent solution to a temporary situation.

http://www.mindframe-media.info/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/11868/Suicide-Figures-ABS-2015.pdf

[catrose]

1. My mother went to the hardware store, bought a gun, and ended her life that night

Nope. Thought I could discuss it. I was wrong.

[daleanime]

3. ......

[flamin lib]

5. I am so sorry for your loss. There are no words big enough to match your grief.

I have also brushed up against personal loss from suicide and in both instances they fell into the 80% who, having survived an attempt, never tried again.

[DashOneBravo]

13. I'm sorry for your loss.

Truly sorry. I had a friend who did the same after one tour in Iraq and a divorce. I hope you find some peace.

[catrose]

14. Thanks much

It's been awhile, but still...

[DashOneBravo]

15. I don't think it gets any easier

but at some point it's not something you think about everyday. I've found remembering the good times seems to help.

[daleanime]

2. K&R.....

Too bad a realistic discussion is unlikely.


"Don't take my gun."

[edgineered]

4. As opposed to one step off a bridge,

one jump in front of a bus, one push of the needle, one handful of pills, one waving of a knife at the swat team, ... keep trying. (lunch time is over, can't reply)

[flamin lib]

6. The numbers are there. Make up a smart ass reply if you like, but don't blow smoke up may ass.

[edgineered]

7. Okay, take it easy, I do not think that you believe guns are the only way to go.

As you clearly state in your opening sentence,

"Oh but they'll only use a different method if we take guns away cry the pro gun side."

I agree entirely with what you are saying.

Some suicide attempts are a cry for help; it is certain that those attempts do not choose a firearm, a tall bridge, a speeding train, a massive fatal overdose. You can believe that it takes less determination for a person to shoot oneself than it does for that same person to die by a countless number of other methods - that is where I think your reasoning fails.

[flamin lib]

8. I just showed you the numbers. You refuse to accept them.

Nothing more to say here except that some people are so blinded by a religious fealty to guns that they can ignore pure statistical records. That would be you.

[edgineered]

9. Three semesters of statistics and I don't own a gun. You're not very good at this.

[flamin lib]

10. Ah! Now we're into the ad homonym stage.

You don't even look at the evidence presented, presume to postulate other means of suicide without presenting evidence to support it so now we're down to personal insults, right?

Sorry, Sport, but you don't get to do that.

If you want to argue stats why not go to Australia's bureau of statistics and refute what I posted?

You are clearly the expert here, right?

[edgineered]

11. Did you just ask, Now we're into the ad homonym stage?

Now we're into the ad homonym stage? when in your post #6 you posit me to post a smart ass reply, and follow it up in your post #8 by saying:

You refuse to accept them.

and

some people are so blinded by a religious fealty to guns that they can ignore pure statistical records. That would be you.

I replied by saying you aren't very good at this, and what do you do? You prove me right.

Now what's with this ad homonym stuff of which you refer?

[flamin lib]

12. Naaa, see post 10. nt