Illinois bill would allow gun owners to use silencers

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SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) _ Hunters and other gun owners would be allowed to use silencers under a bill filed in the Illinois legislature.

The Belleville News-Democrat (http://bit.ly/1KAyo8Y ) reports the measure would lift a restriction prohibiting the use of silencer for those with a valid Firearm Owner’s Identification Card.

The bill’s sponsor is Rep. Brandon Phelps. The Democrat from Harrisburg says gun owners want silencers to avoid hearing loss. Phelps acknowledges not everyone is going to support the use of the noise-reducing devices.

Mark Walsh of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence says about 1,000 die annually in this state from gunshots and allowing silencers “is a bad policy.”
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[GeorgeGist]

1. Bet their victims will experience permanent hearing loss.

[mwrguy]

2. In case they need to assassinate a deer

Fucking loonies.

[Marengo]

6. Unregulated in Norway

Are Norwegian hunters "fucking loonies"?

[mwrguy]

8. Yes.

Next question.

[Marengo]

9. Apparently Not...

As the Norwegians consider suppressors to have some benefit or desirable quality. I wonder if you can imagine what that might be?

[billh58]

14. Aren't you in the wrong Group?

The RKBA Group is down the hall and to the right...

[Marengo]

24. If it's not permitted to challenge misconceptions and ignorance regarding suppressors,

I suppose so.

[Aristus]

3. "Suppressors", not 'silencers', reduce the noise of a gunshot from approx 160 decibels

to approx. 120 decibels. It's still a pretty loud gunshot.

I guess the use of suppressors is supposed to appeal to those slack-muscled, beer-bellied, suburban loser-types who daydream about being James Bond in the same way AR-15 owners daydream about being Rambo. Just another gun-fetish accessory to further the illusion that they have fulfilling lives...

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Sticking them up their ass would be a cheap fix.

Wacko humpers.

[billh58]

5. Now Bubba won't wake up

his neighbors when he stands his ground against a stranger ringing his doorbell late at night.

[billh58]

7. The bill’s sponsor is Rep. Brandon Phelps

who is a Democrat (read DINO) from Harrisburg, and who should be primaried and replaced with a real Democrat who can GOTV and represent Democratic values.

We have too many of these right-wing NRA "Liberals" among our ranks.

[mikeysnot]

26. Good luck that is SO Ill territory

Marion is right down the block, home of the KKK.

I lived in Carbondale for years, did not know of the racial tensions still thriving down there. Other than the university it is deliverance ville.

Don't want to appear to paint with a broad brush, there are tons of great progressives down there, but you peal back the thin veneer and it can get scary.

Senator Paul Simon was my in-laws neighbor in Makanda, one of the greatest and most honest Senators there will ever be.

[Mindfreak7]

10. What a disgrace!

I can't believe these nut jobs really think that that should even be entertained in the mind of a normal person comrades!

[billh58]

15. Bub bye "comrade"

and enjoy the free pizza.

[clffrdjk]

11. With so many well reasoned arguments already posted here on why they should be banned how could

anyone disagree?

[Adrahil]

13. You got it right....

... Sound suppressors are not Hollywood silencers. They turn a BANG! into a Bang! I use them to help protect my hearing, and they are still NFA controlled items.

[billh58]

16. I don't think that you

read the post that you're responding to. The poster is agreeing that silencers should be banned.

[Adrahil]

17. He sounded sarcastic to me...

... since I didn't actually see any good reasons for banning sound suppressors.

In many European countries, including those where personal ownership of firearms is difficult, sound suppressors are available over the counter.

They are NOT the super-secret-squirrel "Thwip!!" devices people think they are. When people actually hear my suppressors, they are surprised by how loud they still are. Only the .22 suppressor is really quiet, and only when I use subsonic ammo. For civilians they are mainly useful to aid hearing protection and reduce nuisance noise.

[billh58]

18. "For civilians they are mainly useful to aid hearing protection and reduce nuisance noise"

So are ear muffs, ear plugs, and air rifles.

As a reminder, this is the Gun Control Reform Activism Group. Your attempts to "educate" we mere mortal non-shooters are appreciated, but the "but you don't understand the technicalities of guns" tactic is used by the gun lobby regularly to push their "guns for everyone" agenda as being harmless.

Nice try, no cigar.

[Adrahil]

19. I still wear hearing protection while using a suppressor.

On many guns, the suppressor only lowers the noise level to "won't make your ears bleed" levels.

An unsuppressed AR-15, for example is about 150-160 db. With a good suppressor, it's about 120-130 db. That is still VERY LOUD. In fact, you still need to wear hearing protection, but you don't have to wear both plugs AND muffs. You could take a few shots without protection and not do too much damage.

HOWEVER, you ARE able to get the sound down to safe levels with good plugs or muffs, and you are much less likely to cause inadvertent hearing damage to people nearby, and you're much less likely to annoy the folks living close to the range.... or near your hunting ground (though I am not a hunter).

Sound suppressors are one of those things that SHOULD be uncontroversial. They aren't really well suited to crime, since good ones are expensive, and they make the weapon very difficult to conceal, and don't offer the covert shooting capability think they do. But as with everything associated with guns, it's not really about the facts, but the emotions.

[billh58]

20. There's that technical

gunner bullshit again. The other Group loves that kind of ammo-erotic talk.

The "facts" are that over 30,000 Americans die each year by guns, and thousands more are wounded. The United States leads all civilized countries in the world (by large factors) in gun violence, death and injuries. Is that "emotional" enough for you?

Now tell me again how wonderful guns and their accessories are, and how much you love them. If you want to extol the virtues of guns, gun use, and gunners, go back to the other Group. The need for gun control has already been established, and this Group was formed so that we could discuss ways to implement gun control -- not to argue with gun nuts.

[Adrahil]

22. I'm not talking about how great they are, or even if they are desirable. That's a separate issue.

I'm talking about the plain fact that sound suppressors are just that. They suppress sound. They don't eliminate it, and they aren't the devices many people think they are. They are mufflers for guns. That's it. And they are federally controlled. You have to get an NFA tax stamp to own one, so the BATFE knows you have it.

If that's too technical for this debate, then I'm simply flabergasted.

I'm not here to rain on the gun control parade. I don't typically post in this group because I recognize it's purpose. But IMO, the information being presented in this thread was just plain inaccurate. All emotion, and no data. If you want to convince people, then it's best to do so with valid arguments.

[Electric Monk]

23. I've been following this thread, and I understand your point regarding silencers.

You seem reasonable. Cliff, though, I think I'll show the door, for siding with the NRA and other pro-gun-proliferation posts.

[billh58]

25. Bub bye

Gunner.

[Adrahil]

27. Have a great day! n/t

[clffrdjk]

21. it is amazing how obvious sarcasim can go over some heads