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billh58

(6,641 posts)
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:44 PM Dec 2013

When the Mentally Ill Own Guns

Lawmakers who refuse to support effective gun safety measures often prefer to talk about better screening of the mentally ill to identify deranged would-be perpetrators before they can carry out mass shootings. This is, of course, a political dodge. Even in the handful of states where law enforcement agencies are trying to confiscate the guns of unstable individuals, state and federal laws too often enable the mentally ill to reclaim their guns as a right under the Second Amendment.

This lethal thicket was starkly mapped by The Times in a recent report showing how people who brandish guns, threaten family and neighbors and even admit to mental illness are able to get around the police. This is due in part to rigid legal requirements for a documented history of involuntary hospital commitment or other court actions that go well beyond the threatening incidents that are reported to law enforcement.

In Connecticut, which has gun confiscation laws that were tightened after the Newtown school massacre, an angry man who was off his medications for paranoid schizophrenia threatened to shoot his mother and the police if they confiscated his weapons. The police managed to seize his 18 rifles and shotguns and seven high-capacity magazines. But the man expects to reclaim his arsenal in April, asserting he is back on his medications and has had no further police incidents (although he told Michael Luo and Mike McIntire of The Times that he has experienced paranormal activities).

Similar cases from other states and cities show that seriously troubled individuals are able to reclaim their weapons, despite serious concerns about the threat to public safety. “There is no common-sense middle ground to protect the public,” a law enforcement adviser in Ohio warned.

More at link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/opinion/sunday/when-the-mentally-ill-own-guns.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20131229&_r=0

The NRA and its apologists use the "cure mental illness and the gun violence problem doesn't exist" argument as a ruse. We hear that argument on DU every day from the vocal minority of right-wing gun nuts who infest this board. The "collector" mentioned in the NYT Editorial above will, no doubt, get his guns back at some point, and join the ranks of other "collectors" who amass large arsenals of lethal weapons.

The NRA and its apologists promote the manufacture and sales of more guns for everyone (anyone) because: Second Amendment, My Rights, Liberty, and Vigilantism (which they label as "self-defense&quot . They are all very proud of the United States of America being the most armed and dangerous country in the "civilized" world.

Those who talk about the "death" of the gun control movement, do so prematurely.

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When the Mentally Ill Own Guns (Original Post) billh58 Dec 2013 OP
+1. (nt) Paladin Dec 2013 #1
As if to prove the point: billh58 Jan 2014 #2
Because of the privacy laws, my ex, despite a long history of mental illness... Kaleva Jan 2014 #3
I did postatomic Jan 2014 #4

billh58

(6,641 posts)
2. As if to prove the point:
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jan 2014

"Man deemed criminally insane arrested with van full of guns"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024262704

And the extremist Second Amendment fanatics are swarming to defend the practice...

Kaleva

(38,179 posts)
3. Because of the privacy laws, my ex, despite a long history of mental illness...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:33 PM
Jan 2014

would pass an instant background check and be able to buy a gun by lying on a couple of answers on the questionnaire.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
4. I did
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:19 AM
Jan 2014

Walked in and 1 1/2 hours later left with a gun and a box of high powered hollow points. The kinda' of bullet that opens like a "flower" upon impact. I altered the 'truth' a bit on the application. Quite an easy process. Every time I hear some NRA nut talk about 'mental illness' I have to laugh.

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