Today's vote in Congress on gun legislation won a majority vote.But because of Repubs it required 60

[upaloopa]

votes.

It had nothing to do with being afraid of gun owners. It has everything to do with repubs blocking what Obama wants.

Gunners take themselves way to seriously. If politicians fear anything it is the loss of gun manufacturers' money. The NRA represents the gun industry not gunners. Gunners are pawns in all of this. Gunners have shot their wads since December buying more guns because the manufacturers can play them like a fiddle.

[CokeMachine]

1. I believe Harry could have changed that.

Simple rule change with a majority vote?

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Not enough Democrats in the senate who were willing to stand by him.

Too many might believe that pretending they're there to work for the people when they're only working for themselves and their benefactors might have played a major role in that decision.

President Obama is too much of a progressive for their tastes. Besides, the people will blame President Obama, not Congressional Democrats OR Republicans, when nothing gets done. And they're hoping that enough fence-sitting Democratic voters will get angry enough to sit out in 2014 like they did in 2010, and allow more Republican Senators and U.S. Reps in our Congress in 2014 and another Republican president to catch the WH come 2016.

Corporate America and the Israeli lobbying group would be SO happy!

[dsc]

3. It is actually even more galling that that

the Senators voting for the amendment represent 63% of the population while those who opposed only represent 37%.

[jimmy the one]

5. split states

dsc: the Senators voting for the amendment represent 63% of the population while those who opposed only represent 37%

Curious how you handled split state senators, where one voted for & one against.
I believe you tho, at least we represented more of the population - if you split what I ask above into half & half population wise.

How come repub senators defend voting nay on the bg check bill by claiming they are protecting rights of law abiding (cough cough) gunowners, when law abiding gun owners supported bg check bill by over 80%?

[BainsBane]

4. Harry Reid needs to be held responsible

For not implementing a talking filibuster. Same for all the Senators from both parties who voted no.

[graham4anything]

6. Thank God we needed 60. With only 50, the poison pen would have passed.

60 is a blessing.

I contacted Reid's office and said say Thank you to Sen. Reid for the foresight to see how dangerous giving up that 60 would have been

NY/Ill/California would have lost their great gun laws, and it could have led to thousands of new deaths.

The house would not have passed this.

THE NRA lost the war by winning yesterday's battle.

2014 will be the next victory on our side.

The blackmailing NRA will be a thing of history

[Pullo]

7. Without the 60 vote requirement, it would be Christmas for the NRA

1). The Cornyn amendment: would have allowed concealed-carry permits issued in one state to be valid in all other states - 57 votes.

2). The Leahy-Collins amendment: clarified language on lawfully buying a gun from a licensed dealer as a gift so that was not viewed as straw purchasing under the law - 58 votes

3). Cruz-Grassley amendment: The amendment sought to “reauthorize and improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), increase resources for prosecutions of gun crime, address mental illness in the criminal justice system, and strengthen criminal law by including straw purchasing and illegal firearm trafficking statutes - 52 votes


Even though the Senate is controlled by Democrats, it is still largely pro gun as a legislative body. Without the 60 vote threshold, national concealed-carry reciprocity woud have been approved, along with other NRA-approved measures.

[upaloopa]

8. Couldn't those amendments be taken out? There isn't a house bill yet is there?

[Pullo]

10. Reid's strategy was an open amendment process because ....

The President pushed very hard to make sure things like the assault weapons ban and high-cap magazine ban got voted on.

Reid knew neither of those had a snowball's chance in hell at passing, and if they were included in the package, then it would be GUARANTEED nothing would pass. So Reid decided upon allowing an open amendment process so the the Newtown families got the votes on measures like the assault weapons ban the President insisted they deserved. The 60 vote threshold was a forgone conclusion, as Reid knew that would needed to fend off the Republican amendments.

The House won't act now because the Senate bill will be pulled.

[Progressive dog]

9. And the President would sign it tomorrow--not

I don't care if the Senate is pro-NRA or not. 90% of Americans. including me, want background checks.

[Pullo]

11. And if the POTUS wouldn't of signed the final bill ...

because it contained the CCW reciprocity language, we'd still be back to square one.

[Progressive dog]

12. So it's not Christmas for the NRA? nt

[Pullo]

13. In the Senate it would be n/t