The SOP defines this group as about ACTIVISM

[BainsBane]

This discussion thread is pinned.

This forum is about promoting legislative and cultural changes toward gun proliferation at the federal, state, and municipal level. It is not about debating whether further gun control is necessary. Those debates continue to take place in RKBA. This group is to encouae action, to bring about effective change. It has an entirely different purpose from RKBA. That is the idea I initially proposed three months ago, and that is the SOP members agreed to in supporting this group. This should not be mistaken for a gungeon lite. Input from all members, including gun owners, interested in taking action to limit gun proliferation and lessen gun violence are welcome. The effectiveness and likelihood of enactment of particular reforms falls within the SOP of this group, but challenging gun control does not.

[Lionessa]

1. Excuse me but I think you've messed up.

"The EFFECTIVENESS...of reforms falls within the SOP, but challenging gun control does not." Isn't challenging gun control (a reform) the same as discussing the effectiveness of reform?

I sure interpret it as the same.

[BainsBane]

2. Of a particular reform

But not of further reform in general.

[Lionessa]

3. So who's behaving otherwise. I've read the threads where people are being accused of being NRA

trolls, and all of them were discussing specific reforms. So I guess you're bringing up a problem that doesn't exist.

[BainsBane]

5. There are pro-gun activists posting here

Who don't support further gun control or the SOP of this group. And there is some discussion in RKBA that this is an echo chamber. We don't need to hear others agreeing with us. We need to get work done.

[Bjorn Against]

7. Which progressive gun control reform organizations are they supporting?

Here is the SOP for the group:

Discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform in a supportive environment. The group serves as a safe haven in which to mobilize supporters in support of measures reducing gun violence by changing laws, culture and practice at the municipal, state, and federal levels. While there is no single solution to the tragic epidemic of gun violence, members agree that more guns are not the solution to gun violence, and are expected to be supportive of the policies of progressive gun control reform organizations.

There are clearly people who have been posting in this forum who have long advocated more guns as a solution to gun violence and do not support any progressive gun control organizations, those are the people the OP was referring to.

[BainsBane]

8. That needs to be pinned to the top

of this group.

[DanTex]

4. It's going to be a judgement call.

But basically, saying something like "I think banning high capacity magazines is more important than banning assault weapons" would be OK, whereas something like "gun control laws only affect law abiding citizens because criminals ignore laws" would not.

[BainsBane]

6. Precisely

[Fluke a Snooker]

9. Then how about advocating for the absolute ban on all firearm possession or even usage?

The purpose of all gun legislation is to further restrict guns from circulation in one context or another. So why not just cut to the chase? While such action could not work in any form with the GOP oppressive regime controlling the animal, once we have our majority and the White House, such actions can be done rapidly. It would be great to have concrete measures on its process to give to the legislatures and progressive President to use and enact it on an immediate basis, including arguments to circumvent potential adverse rulings at SCOTUS.

EDIT: This was supposed to be a response to Message #6, not the OP.

[BainsBane]

10. I suggest posting a thread on the subject

So you can generate a wider discussion. The short answer to your question is Heller. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

[Bones1]

11. Egg Shells

Walking on egg shells with gun owners has not helped, obviously. At this point I say threaten Republicans with a shredding of the 2nd Amendment, if they won't agree to more gun rules. We can fight extremism with extremes. The 2nd isn't doing anything good for our country at this point but causing more murders. Democrats need to tell them work with us or else. Allow only our Military and Police to have guns. No one wants it this way, but, I am over it. Republicans need to put up or take their gun freedoms away. Time to play hard ball.