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More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys
Fact-check: Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 33 years: 0
Chances that a shooting in a hospital emergency department involves guns taken from guards: 1 in 5
Fact-check: In 2014, according to FBI data, nearly eight times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
In one survey, nearly 1 percent of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at these claims found that more than half involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
A study in Philadelphia found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check
Chances that a shooting in a hospital emergency department involves guns taken from guards: 1 in 5
Fact-check: In 2014, according to FBI data, nearly eight times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
In one survey, nearly 1 percent of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at these claims found that more than half involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
A study in Philadelphia found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check
I can already hear the same old tired responses which include the words "peer review," "biased," "grabber," and all of the other Trump-like "they're picking on me" excuses for carrying a lethal weapon in the public venue. The bottom line is obvious to anyone with reasoning abilities: more guns in public mean more gun violence in public.
The Second Amendment absolutist argument then becomes: "it's the illegal gun owners who are the bad guys, and not us law-abiding NRA members." Yeah? Where in the hell did the "bad guys" get the guns? ALL guns are legal when they leave their place of manufacture, and the right-wing gun lobby denies any responsibility for them after that -- hence the PLCAA.
The marketing ploy that any legislation aimed at increasing the responsibility associated with the purchase and "keeping" a gun is an attempt to ban guns, is the mantra of the extremist right-wing gun lobby. ALL civil rights come with various levels of responsibility, and the Second Amendment is no different.
In the end, not reason or need, but raw unreasonable fear sells guns: fear of bans, fear of fellow citizens.
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More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys (Original Post)
billh58
Jan 2017
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50 Shades Of Blue
(10,887 posts)1. K & R
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(175 posts)2. Can we at least admit that one mass shooting was prevented though?:
Just proves that more guns equals more gun violence. Nice try though, now run along back to your swamp.