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intrepidity

(7,892 posts)
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 05:30 PM Dec 2023

Question about quote limits

Does the 4 paragraph limit apply to the article being posted about, or per poster?

Quite often an OP quotes 4 paragraphs that, imho, are not substantive, and I would have chosen differently; so then I post a reply containing my preferred paragraphs. Is this problematic? What about if I start a new OP with my selection?

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Donkees

(32,397 posts)
1. Many sites use one sentence paragraphs for faster online readability ...
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 06:04 PM
Dec 2023

It's not the same as print paragraphs, and not all sites do this. Where it's obvious that a paragraph has been split into online readability sentences, I often tie them back together into one paragraph. I aim for the heart of the message, and do sometimes add a separate extra paragraph or so in a following post in the same thread.

Think. Again.

(17,994 posts)
2. I've often been tempted...
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 06:22 PM
Dec 2023

... to do just that, but feel that it wouldn't be right to edit someone else's work. It's sometimes a dilemma for me when four paragraphs isn't enough to express a point.

Donkees

(32,397 posts)
5. The sites slicing up paragraphs into a string of one sentences, quite often are rebundling news packages from Reuters
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 07:48 PM
Dec 2023

or other news sites. If you have the time, you can usually find the same stories elsewhere, if they aren't behind a paywall.

progree

(11,463 posts)
3. I always excerpt the 4 (or fewer) most significant paragraphs. I've never seen or heard of a rule, even in LBN
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 06:35 PM
Dec 2023

that requires posting the first four paragraphs.

Anyway, one is editing someone's work when one leaves out all but the first 4 paragraphs.

EDITED TO ADD - I kind of think its cheating the copyright when someone posts 4 paragraphs in the OP, and then in a reply the same person or someone else adds some more excerpts from the same article. TBH, I'm not innocent of this practice.

EarlG

(22,540 posts)
4. The four paragraph limit is there to simplify enforcement
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 06:49 PM
Dec 2023

In a nutshell, here's how it works. Posts on DU are protected by both "fair use" and by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 (DMCA), which safeguards DU and forums like it with a mechanism for dealing with copyright infringements.

Under the DMCA, DU is not responsible for copyright infringements that are posted by its users, provided that we act in a timely manner to remove such material if the copyright holder files a legitimate takedown request.

Under "fair use" people are permitted to post excerpts or a reasonable length from copyrighted sources, for the purposes of discussion. However, "reasonable" is in the eye of the beholder. Copyright.gov puts it like this:

Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances.

So obviously posting an entire copyrighted article on DU would not fall under fair use, but posting limited portions is okay. Therefore we chose four paragraphs as the limit which we recommend to our users as a reasonable amount of content that will a) prevent DU from getting a DMCA takedown request that will force us to immediately remove the post, and/or b) prevent DU users from getting sued by copyright holders for copyright infringement. When we had a significant legal battle with Righthaven a few years ago because someone posted an excerpt from the Las Vegas Review Journal, it definitely helped that the DUer only posted a four paragraph excerpt.

The answer to your question "is this problematic" essentially depends on the circumstances. If a single individual were to post an entire article, that would be problematic. If two or more individuals were working together to post entire articles on DU without any of them actually posting the full article, that might be problematic. If someone is merely adding an additional paragraph or two from a long article for the purposes of enhancing discussion, that's likely not problematic.

The point is that ultimately the spirit of the DMCA, the fair use doctrine, and DU's four paragraphs guideline, is to allow discussion to happen while simultaneously protecting the rights of copyright holders. That's what we're aiming for by limiting the length of excerpts.
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