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Related: About this forumI don't like that in our new du
We cant tell what replies we have already read
even when fifty more posts have been made
I could always tell before and its a time waster reading the entire thread instead of just the new posts
Admins i hope you fix this
brush
(57,565 posts)It used to be bottom left of each post. Saves a lot of scrolling.
Wounded Bear
(60,691 posts)brush
(57,565 posts)I'm in "Skinner" mode. I'll switch to DU4 to see, as it was my complaint when I first switched to DU4. Maybe it's been added.
Wounded Bear
(60,691 posts)ItsjustMe
(11,695 posts)Regardless of how far I am into a deep thread on any website, all I need to do is click on the tab of that thread, and it brings me back up to the top of the thread.
https://www.opera.com/
I am currently using the new Opera One, It's still in beta, so it's a little buggy.
https://www.opera.com/one
AdamGG
(1,487 posts)Do you just go to Trending Discussions now?
drray23
(7,965 posts)EarlG
(22,540 posts)Im not sure I understand the issue
BootinUp
(49,035 posts)First, it is not a big deal to me because we can still look at reply numbers to figure out newer replies.
But, to the OP point: Previously the list/tree view of replies had an icon for each reply that changed color or appearance based on whether its new since your last visit to the thread. I don't think DU4 has that functionality.
Oh and Nice job on the site.
questionseverything
(10,152 posts)Although there is zero chance I am going to keep track of what number the responses were at
EarlG
(22,540 posts)So as previously on DU, if you use the Mark buttons regularly then items posted before you hit the Mark button will be shown with little white icons next to them. This includes both links to threads if youre looking at a forum, or links to replies if youre looking at the reply tree below an OP.
If you dont use the Mark buttons regularly you may want to try this instead: At the top of the reply tree you should see three small buttons which say None, 5 Newest, and Recommended if you click the 5 Newest button, it will highlight the five most recent replies to a thread.
The software will remember your setting, so if you leave the button clicked, every thread you open will highlight the five newest responses.
(By the way, the Recommended button will highlight any replies with five or more Recs.)
Lunabell
(6,820 posts)The only thing I don't like is that the "My Stuff" button blinks and turns yellow when there is something new. The blinking is annoyoning and I wish it would just turn yellow.
Go to My Stuff > Account Settings
Then scroll down to the My Stuff notifications section.
You can select a different notification style there. Dont forget to hit the Save all settings button after youve found one you like.
Thank you. This is perfect now!
Easterncedar
(3,532 posts)Im grateful for all you do
questionseverything
(10,152 posts)If I had read the responses, then left the page and came back later the new responses were easy to see ( I cant remember how they were marked or what ever) but it was easy to see what responses were new
Now if I circle back all the posts look the same
. Theres nothing to show whats new
sl8
(16,245 posts)Have you tried clicking on the "5 Newest" box? It accomplishes approximately the same thing.
progree
(11,463 posts)In DU4 my workaround is to put the number or replies in Notes. But its extra work, and I only do it for threads where I really want to read every reply.
In DU3 I used to use my browser's bookmarks to keep track, I could put the title in and then " ( 51" for 51 replies for example. But I didn't like having to do the bookkeeping of keeping the bookmarks from being too voluminous.
calimary
(84,336 posts)Asking for a friend.
EarlG
(22,540 posts)The simple answer is, because I wanted to do it. And the reason it looks the way it looks is because that's the way I wanted it to look (with the caveat that we're still working on fixing bugs in the layout, so not EVERYTHING looks the way I want it to look just yet).
The more detailed answer: Like most people, I'd often find myself in situations where I'd meet new people and they would ask what I do for a living. Sometimes I would show them DU on my phone. But every single time that happened, I'd catch myself saying something like, "Er, sorry it looks so old-fashioned." Honestly, I didn't want to keep making excuses and apologizing for the look of the site that I ran. I wanted to make something that looked more modern, and more inviting for people who might be just finding DU for the first time.
In the old days we used to update the look of the site much more regularly -- we had numerous homepage overhauls during the first ten years of DU -- but once DU3 was complete we very much rested on our laurels. As the site got older, and the design started to look more and more old-fashioned, it also became apparent that it was becoming harder and harder to make modern-day improvements because of the old-fashioned layout and code.
I started working on the DU4 redesign in 2019, when Skinner still owned the site. By that time he was pretty burned out on DU and wasn't very interested in the idea of putting lots of work into a new look, so I just kinda kept it to myself. When he officially retired and I became the owner, it seemed like the perfect time for an update.
You have to remember that despite DU's longevity and popularity, and the size and dedication of its community, at the end of the day this is a personal project. We've done what we can to democratize the moderating system, but the site itself isn't run by a board, or a committee. There's no fancy market research or focus groups. It's just me -- a self-taught web developer with a background in the arts, not computer science -- doing the front-end visual coding, and Elad doing the back-end coding and database management.
So I simply started off by trying to make something that *I* liked. But of course, part of the reason this redesign took three years is because I didn't JUST design it for me. I knew that there was no possible way to build something which every single DU member would immediately approve of, but I still spent most of the development time making sure that the vast majority of the elements in the redesign were not too dissimilar to the previous design, and trying to anticipate the various ways that people might use the site.
That's why when you look at things like the Latest Discussions page, or the forums, or the way discussion threads are laid out -- what I think of as the "meat" of DU -- those layouts are all almost identical to the way they were on DU3. Even the homepage, which some people seem particularly bothered about, is not too far away from its old layout. That's also why I spent about a full third of the project building out a reverse-engineered version of the previous design, in order to smooth the transition for people who preferred it that way.
But perhaps what is most important to know is that I do not consider the release of DU4 to be the end -- in fact, this is the beginning. DU3 was on its last legs -- all we could do was keep it running; we could not create new features and functions that people might appreciate. Whereas DU4 is a foundation that can be built on. Of course we still have plenty of bugs and issues to resolve -- it's only been a few days since everyone started using it -- but all those bugs will be fixed in time. I'm completely open to making changes and adjustments, adding features, and tweaking things where necessary to improve people's experience.
I get that some people are having difficulty with the transition. There's no way to pull off a project of this magnitude without doing something that's going to annoy somebody. But the alternative was DU3 forever, and that just couldn't work indefinitely.
So all I'm asking for at the moment is a little patience while we continue the update process, and also perhaps the benefit of the doubt from folks who are having trouble getting used to it. We have not demolished the property and started from scratch, all we've done is renovate the place -- put in a new carpet, repainted, and moved some of the furniture around. The house remains the same.
Bottom line: I wouldn't have spent three years working on this if I didn't care about DU and everyone who comes here. In fact the reason for these renovations is because I care deeply about DU -- not just because it's my job, but because it's a great site and community, and I want it to live long into the future.
I hope that answers your question.
erronis
(16,863 posts)And I'm glad you have done this because you felt it needed to be done. Not because some focus group or board of directors got together and had thousands of ideas for their pet projects/peeves.
I've been involved in a lot of web site (and long ago application GUIs) redesigns. It's painful, especially when many backseat drivers don't really know what they want or the level of effort involved.
I'm a large-screen/keyboard user and will almost never visit a site like DU using a mobile device. I want my mouse and keyboard and screen real-estate. I do know that many users are on phones/slablets so the new interface appears a bit more convenient for finger stabs.
Please keep on keeping on. I'll follow along with kudos and a rare gripe.
highplainsdem
(52,382 posts)since I'd also been wondering why you did this redesign.
I can sympathize both with your viewing it as your personal project, and your trying to accommodate the community that's landed, sometimes with freak flags flying, all over your personal project.
And I can also see the conflict here.
When I'm working on a personal project, it's my vision and I don't want any interference.
But when I was running online forums, I was constantly getting feedback, and requesting it if it wasn't volunteered. Polling people, at least informally. Trying to find out what they wanted. And following those cues.
You're doing a great balancing act, with DU being both a personal project for you and a very large community you're preserving and leading.
I do applaud that.
And I never thought DU looked old-fashioned. I thought of it as classic. I'm sorry you ever felt, even for a second, that you had to say something apologetic about it. Classics are classic for a reason. (I am wondering which other sites are ones you consider very modern-looking.)
But I'd had no idea DU3 was on its last legs in terms of coding.
Anyway, I hope this all works out.